i'd read about that song being the first to combine a 303 and 808, but actually, a friend just sent me this. indian track from 82 using the same combo. mind blown
actually the year in the "dancing ghosts" youtube is referring to the lp release of elemental 7. iirc the song was first released on video in 1982, placing it as early as the raga bhairav. i'm sure stirmonster can clear this up
― hotel califor.nia (r1o natsume), Monday, 12 April 2010 21:22 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah both of those live LPs (Elemental 7 and European Rendezous) need to be reissued in their full length original form. two of my favorites.
Elenental 7 is from '83, I think that's when the original gigs were also.
― bug holocaust (sleeve), Monday, 12 April 2010 21:25 (fourteen years ago) link
marcel dettmann has included a cti track from the elemental 7 album on his new fact podcast
― geheimnis (r1o natsume), Thursday, 20 May 2010 12:22 (thirteen years ago) link
so fucking cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQWB7keJFdM
― 不合作的方式 (r1o natsume), Saturday, 31 July 2010 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
I asked Chris Carter if he remembered what he used on this track. The following is what he had to say: "I'm a little fuzzy on specifics for individual tracks from this album as it was recorded over a four year period (1974 - 78) but as far as I can remember 'Interloop' was recorded on a Tascam 4 track - probably a A3340S. I think the synths used were a Roland SH-1 for the sequence and an Roland SH-5 for the synth lead line. A Roland System-100 104 Sequencer was driving the SH-1. I am pretty sure the delay effects were from a Roland RE501 and probably a couple of Boss pedals - a phaser and a chorus most likely - all Roland basically."
http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2010/08/chris-carter-interloop.html
― that habit kick man (r1o natsume), Thursday, 19 August 2010 01:48 (thirteen years ago) link
A1. BeatA2. OutreachA3. CloudsA4. ElectrodubB1. InterloopB2. SoliditB3. Climbing
Optimo Music will release The Spaces Between in September 2010.
― that habit kick man (r1o natsume), Thursday, 19 August 2010 01:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Were the other tracks cut to fit vinyl or were they not on the original vinyl?
― dan selzer, Thursday, 19 August 2010 03:04 (thirteen years ago) link
there wasn't an original vinyl - this is the first time they have been on vinyl. there's also a possibility there will be a volume 2 for the tracks that didn't make it on the mini lp.
― stirmonster, Thursday, 19 August 2010 04:27 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry, I meant cassette. Looking forward to it. I had the CD from when I'd buy anything that said "the grey area of mute" on it.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 19 August 2010 04:49 (thirteen years ago) link
ah, ok. yup. i picked my faves to go on the vinyl and wanted a loud cut so only put a few on (plus a bonus track that was only ever on a comp. cassette). pre-sale on this is really good so hopefully i'll be able to put the other tracks out on another volume too.
― stirmonster, Thursday, 19 August 2010 06:14 (thirteen years ago) link
that's good news about vol 2! "maybe" and "poptone" are two of my favourites
is "climbing" the tune from that jhonn balance tape? look forward to hearing that. amazing work, man!
― that habit kick man (r1o natsume), Thursday, 19 August 2010 08:13 (thirteen years ago) link
yes, it is. it's incredible (particularly following chris's fabulous remastering job).
― stirmonster, Thursday, 19 August 2010 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link
so looking forward to this..... will be grebt to have these on vinyl finally!
― Deluxe Merseybeat Wig (Jack Battery-Pack), Thursday, 19 August 2010 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link
from http://c-h-r-i-s-c-a-r-t-e-r.blogspot.com/2010/08/change-of-direction-some-remastering.html
Remastering:
I am about to start remastering our early Chris & Cosey catalogue for vinyl. This is quite an undertaking as I'm not only tweaking the audio - from the original master tapes - but I'm also reconstructing the cover artworks from what remaining negatives, print films and parts that still exist or aren't lost. Which to be honest there isn't that much of around anymore - which alone should make it an interesting project. All being well we are hoping to get these re-releases out before the years end...watch this space.
― vessels in distress (r1o natsume), Thursday, 2 September 2010 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
that's great news, I would buy a remastered version of Trance for sure.
― sleeve, Thursday, 2 September 2010 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Picked up Spaces Between on a visit to London last week - the last copy in Sister Ray - I think they said they got 7 copies originally..
the vinyl sounds incredible - the bass is insane! Chris did an amazing job with the remastering..
Any chance of more spaces between coming any time Keith?
― Deluxe Merseybeat Wig (Jack Battery-Pack), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
it sounds incredible. such a great job all round
"climbing" isn't what i expected at all. the beat is completely insane, like proto-dubstep or something. really cool
― lao gan ma (r1o natsume), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 17:48 (thirteen years ago) link
i wish i had been able to do a double to begin with but it just wasn't an option. there is a possibility if this does well (pre sale has been v. good) that there will be a second volume.
― stirmonster, Tuesday, 28 September 2010 23:18 (thirteen years ago) link
http://new.assets.thequietus.com/images/articles/5428/c7c_copy_1291920453_crop_502x650.jpg
― just sayin, Thursday, 9 December 2010 20:34 (thirteen years ago) link
pissed i didn't get tickets for this now!
― Crackle Box, Friday, 4 February 2011 14:55 (thirteen years ago) link
was SO good.
― stirmonster, Saturday, 5 February 2011 11:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Back!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kvj6Y5UjQVg
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 April 2013 16:56 (eleven years ago) link
already pre-ordered ;)
― Flat Of NAGLs (sleeve), Friday, 26 April 2013 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
C&C chatting and playing TG rarities on WFMU in 18 minutes:
http://wfmu.org/playlists/AE
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 01:41 (ten years ago) link
cool, thanks
― sleeve, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 01:53 (ten years ago) link
tuned in!
― sext of light (get bent), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 01:59 (ten years ago) link
Listened for a while, then the stream died.
― Can One Hear the Shape of a Ron Decline Bottle? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 03:29 (ten years ago) link
I listened, and I'm going to the Chicago gig
stoked
― the tune was space, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 03:47 (ten years ago) link
jealous!
I saw them at the Metro in 1987 and they were really great
― sleeve, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 16:23 (ten years ago) link
Still bummed I didn't get to see them, but they've been recording these new/live versions so there's something to look forward to:Chris Carter and Cosey Fanny Tutti will release Carter Tutti Plays Chris & Cosey on February 17th, 2015
― willem, Tuesday, 16 December 2014 16:50 (nine years ago) link
I've been (skim) reading her autobiography/memoir, which I don't think is even out yet. It's fascinating up until when TG reform, then it's just a bunch of boring old rock musicians bitching and kvetching about boring old rock subjects like management, money, recording etc. Gen is the absolute villain of the book, a terrible man, terrible man - that's according, not only to Cosey, though she has most cause, but Chris, Sleazy and most people who crossed his path - if the book is to believed, that is.
― Ongar Is An Energy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 09:19 (seven years ago) link
So, is that them on the cover of the UFO album, "Force it" or wot?
― Mark G, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 12:09 (seven years ago) link
have an irrational dislike of chris/cosey ever since they beefed with thighps <3
― an uptempo Pop/Hip Hop mentality (imago), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 12:12 (seven years ago) link
Hadn't heard about that, what was the beef about?
― heaven parker (anagram), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 12:21 (seven years ago) link
Answering my own question:
https://twitter.com/coseyfannitutti/status/607629459785674752
Although if what she said was true (and I have no reason to doubt her) surely it's Thighpaulsandra you should be disliking?
― heaven parker (anagram), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 12:42 (seven years ago) link
in matters such as this i basically think 'ok, who was closer to the artist in question', and trust them
― an uptempo Pop/Hip Hop mentality (imago), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 12:53 (seven years ago) link
also thighpaulsandra is 10x the musician of any of the surviving hidden reverse crew
Was tickled by the fact that Cosey fancied Gen because he looked like the lead singer of Quintessence. Not that she fancied him that much, certainly not with the intensity induced by the pert buttocks of Chris Carter.
― Ongar Is An Energy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 13:12 (seven years ago) link
And then there's Chris and Cosey's friendship with Frank Warren. You couldn't make it up.
― Ongar Is An Energy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 13:19 (seven years ago) link
I think you'll find Chris and Cosey were members of TG, and as such had more of a right to TG archives than Thighpaulsandra ever did. Plus, has he denied selling stuff? If not, then it's a question of fact, not one of trust.
Plus, the idea that Thighpaulsandra is 10x Chris & Cosey as musicians is wtf.
― heaven parker (anagram), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 13:38 (seven years ago) link
Trust the judgement, I mean
While they were ex-members, wasn't there a huge falling-out?
― an uptempo Pop/Hip Hop mentality (imago), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 13:41 (seven years ago) link
You mean because Gen was allowing all and sundry to put out TG product without the permission of the rest of the band, and from which they received no financial gain?
― Ongar Is An Energy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 13:44 (seven years ago) link
I know what you meant but it's a stretch to say that Thighpaulsandra's judgement on what to do with TG archival material should be trusted merely because he was closer to Sleazy than C&C were at the time (if indeed that is the case)
xp
― heaven parker (anagram), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 14:01 (seven years ago) link
Reading interviews with TPS I'd say it's very likely that he and Sleazy were close right up until his death, but there's also talk of unpaid debts that he's now evening-out. I don't know. It's all a sordid business when money and legacy gets involved. I do think it's possible to over-venerate the objects of artistic creation.
― an uptempo Pop/Hip Hop mentality (imago), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 14:07 (seven years ago) link
I've got the book preordered but it's not out for a couple weeks here, I think.
Seeing C&C perform a few years back was a great experience, and I hope I get the experience to see them with Nik Void at some point. Probably something I should prioritize, if the opportunity arises.
I came to the realization after reading a few interviews that Chris & Cosey are nearly exactly my parents' ages, which is a bit of a weird perspective
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 14:17 (seven years ago) link
C & C never fell out with Sleazy and were in contact with him hours before he died - he'd emailed them to rant and rave about Gen's latest shenanigans.
― Ongar Is An Energy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 14:22 (seven years ago) link
exactly
imago, selling Coil's master tapes to the highest bidder on eBay for personal gain is total bullshit, full stop, take off yr fucking rose colored prog-snob glasses
― sleeve, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 14:23 (seven years ago) link
"better musician", fuck off with that
― sleeve, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 14:24 (seven years ago) link
what C&C should I listen to to challenge that notion?
― an uptempo Pop/Hip Hop mentality (imago), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 14:29 (seven years ago) link
any of it
― heaven parker (anagram), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 14:33 (seven years ago) link