Robyn

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed
Not all messages are displayed: show all messages (1311 of them)
I don't have one of those.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 22:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Which sounds really aloof or something, but seriously, I have "THIS IS THE BEST ALBUM THE ENTIRE WORLD HAS EVER PRODUCED" lists, which have one thing on them, and this record is currently hanging in there effortlessly.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 22:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Lex doesn't like pop music, ignore his views on it.

The "I just miss you, that's all" part of "Be Mine!" is like a butcher's knife to the heart.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 22:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 23:02 (eighteen years ago) link

hm, just heard her version of 'fire..burning' and I'm surprised to say that I think Bev still does it best despite her near-total lack of personality. Robyn's vocals just don't *yearn* as much.

-- Affectian (niche_ia...), June 23rd, 2005 7:16 PM.

nichey any chance you can send me Robyn's version of this track??

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 23:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Personally, I'm confused by the Lex's views on this record, because I see Lex as one of our pop standard-bearers, in a way.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 23:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Robyn's voice is terrific on 'Crash And Burn Girl' - this is my favourite track personally.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 23:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Has anyone heard the Meatboys remix of "Be Mine!" GREAT.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 23:31 (eighteen years ago) link

If there's any thing I've learned from reading Lex's various writings over the past year, it's that while he is very pro-pop and that's all well and good, he tends to have incredibly bad taste in the stuff. So nevermind him.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link

i've read that Lex thing again and I think he's largely OTM apart from being a little too hard on 'Handle Me', 'Anytime You Like' and maybe 'Should Have Known'. The acousticy ballads really are the weak links here, while 'Be Mine', 'Who's That Girl' and 'Crash And Burn Girl' are three of the 50 best pop tracks this decade without a doubt.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 23:50 (eighteen years ago) link

How have I managed to avoid earning Lex's bad rap despite having near identical tastes?

OR HAVE I?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 23:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I love "Bum Like You" a ton, though.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Lex likes "pop", but he doesn't like "Pop".

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 00:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Diff being?

(I'm not sceptical, I'm just dense)

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 00:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Lex seems to hate everything that's popular, approving of a small subset of "approved pop" as opposed to "Pop". Not that I don't think he's a useful barometer of whether I'll like something or not, but the distinction is a big one.

MC Stylised Vadge (edwardo), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 00:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Doesn't that mean he likes Pop not pop though?

BTW edward yr nickname is a bit sickly!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 00:34 (eighteen years ago) link

And isn't Robyn more likely to fall into the "approved Pop" category than, say, Brooke Valentine?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 00:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Possibly, I don't really go in for genres and such.
(have changed it back, it's one of those mong-fuxxor jokes, sorry)

The difference is that Robyn is generally popular where she's been heard and released, I guess. Brooke Valentine is just as obscure outside the US, I'd imagine, even though her album is fantastic too.

edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 00:37 (eighteen years ago) link

So basically you're saying that Lex is a total reactionary?

If so, I agree!

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 00:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I just thought he hated guitars and guitars are popular at the moment.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 00:40 (eighteen years ago) link

But Lex likes Nine Black Alps!

edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 00:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Seriously though, Lex's objections do seem primarily sonic - you can't map his love of "The Show" and dislike of "Biology", for example, onto any other explanatory formula.

(a dislike I don't share at all, but that's beside the point)

I guess I'm just asking for more evidence of this split between pop and Pop.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 01:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Hard-Fi are one, Annie are the Other. I'm not sure which is which though.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 12:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Does anyone actually love every track on this album?

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 12:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I like every track on the album, and love most of it. I usually listen to the first 2/3 and skip back to the beginning, though.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 12:47 (eighteen years ago) link

It's kinda hilarious how everyone has suddenly forgotten how often they have agreements with Alex (ie. every other Xenomania/MIA/Rachel/etc-related thread)!

Mind you, I hardly tend to agree with him too often, but I am going to go back to this album soon, irregardless of my current disdain of it (possibly on the recommendations of my occasionally useful barometer of tunage, Sven T Massacre).

Tho' Alex remains useless at giving me burnt CDs and I am no longer making any for him.

BARMS, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 12:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I am still totally loving the Robyn album, which is competing with Fannypack and Tegan & Sara for best of the year so far.

alext (alext), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 13:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i need to give Fannypack another go - i think i was judging it too much with 'DJ ears' before (i.e. which tracks would you actually want to play out) and only came up with three or four (same ratio as Robyn, but then again this is the same ratio with pretty much all albums).

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 13:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Barms we should do a CD-R trade I think. Are you out tomorrow night?

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 13:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Barima you haven't ASKED for anything. Ask and you shall receive a promise of receiving. Continue hassling and you shall receive, um, more of the same. Continue hassling and you shall receive! I have just finished some Trendy Dahnce primers I promised to Ria in June, after all. And then I refused to give them to her because they were so good and I needed copies myself. Fobbed her off with JLC remixes.

I like pop music and Pop Music, not that I fully comprehend the distinction, and the trouble is that apart from the two Robyn songs which are amazing (and dear god I wish I'd never investigated any further) she is not so much pop as a rubbish Scandinavian version of N Imbruglia or similar. And I do like guitars if they're used in a decent way! Robyn doesn't do this, though. But Edward, you are the person arguing that MIA is neither pop nor Pop!

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 14:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh and I do like 'Biology', it's just that 7/10 falls woefully short of the Girls Aloud standard. It'd be, like, the third best song on the Robyn album.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 14:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Lex, as if anything I said on that thread can be taken as a consistent stance.

MIA is still not pop, but you DO like some "Pop" in addition to non-pop things like MIA and grime. Even the most hardened pop-ist or poptimist likes some non-pop.

Biology, as far as second singles off GA albums go, is miles behind "No Good Advice" (but then again, that is one of the greatest singles of all time), but miles ahead of "Love Machine", which I think was rather overrated.

edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 14:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Grime is pop! The kids on the bus were doing 'Pow!' this morning!

I don't know where this odd idea that I don't like popular things comes from, really. R&B is pretty much my favourite genre, and is also the dominant genre in all charts ever these days as far as I can see. Robyn is completely obscure apart from on the internet and in Sweden!

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 14:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Galang and Sunshowers are unpopular Pop.

There are a couple of moments on Robyn's 'Anytime You Like' where she's teetering on the brink of full on female Prince, but it doesn't happen fully/enough. I like it for that reason anyway, despite the slushiness.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 15:15 (eighteen years ago) link

OK, 'NGA' is not better than 'Love Machine'. That's insania. For that matter, 'Biology' is far more seductive, sweeter and better sung and produced than 'NGA', which has dated incredibly badly for such a recnt song.

Barms we should do a CD-R trade I think. Are you out tomorrow night?
-- Sororah T Massacre (stevem7...), November 23rd, 2005.

I either have a family crisis or a Thanksgiving dinner after work tomorrow, so likely not.

Barima you haven't ASKED for anything. Ask and you shall receive a promise of receiving. Continue hassling and you shall receive, um, more of the same. Continue hassling and you shall receive!

But I'm sure I was whingeing lots on LJ or Gmail about having no broadband and therefore no new tunes. I was pushing the button and waiting patiently and all that.

BARMS, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 16:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Holy shit, is everything she does fantastic or what??? I've just listened to Jack U Off -- yes, it's a throwaway goof, but impossible to imagine any of her so-called competition ever pulling off, much less imagining in the first place, much less actually pressing to disc -- and and AND "Keep This Fire Burning" is simply AMAZING . At first it sounds like "Family Affair" with some clanking prosthetic limp but somehow it cranks up into a another gear that it just maintains effortlessly for the duration. I'm kind of freaking out that it's taken me so long to get with Robyn's program for world domination here.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link

She has a song called "Jack U Off"?!?!

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

OTM re "Jack U Off" - i tend to hate dumb and pseudoscatological songs like that, but it is awesome. i do not now how. What is "Keep This Fire Burning"? Another b-side? Or am I being forgetful? pls send!

jaymc - "jack u off" ysi via Daughters of Invention.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 16:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes!! It's a Mo Tucker - style piano goof about the psychology of handjobs. Seriously.

xpost

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, is anyone else just astounded by her command of English? The lyrics are written much better than most records from native English speakers are. Does she have someone else write the words, I wonder...

I just noticed last night that both the first and last songs on the album talk about how much pressure she's under.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I really need to hear 'Keep This Fire Burning'

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 16:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Holy cow.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link

(Erm, thanks, Sean!)

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Tracer, I agree w/r/t the lyrics. The opening couplet of "Be Mine" is really astounding: concise but just detailed enough (tears in the pouring rain) to be heartbreaking.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 17:03 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.amiright.com/misheard/artist/robyn.shtml

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 17:15 (eighteen years ago) link

The greatest line in "Be Mine" is actually when she sings -- and it took me a few listens to hear this properly -- "And you never were, and you never will be mine." It's such a beautifully sorrowful realization that she is, well, doubly fucked: not only will she never possess him, but she never did in the first place. *Sniff*

brittle-lemon (brittle-lemon), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 17:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Those are tight, but I'm thinking especially of "Handle Me," "Crash and Burn Girl," "Who's That Girl" ... I agree with Tom about the Dylan qualities on the former, too. At first I was like, what the hell is Tom talking about, but I hear it now, the way she twists the chorus into the person she's addressing, like "in your face." It's even more apparent when you actually see the lyrics written out. I think she has more regret about the not-being-able-to-handleability of her mate than Bob was usually willing to admit to, though.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 17:29 (eighteen years ago) link

sean m thanks so much!

there are a couple more remixes from the 'Robyn' album available on her site if anyone is interested (just looked now).

also, there's a bunch of other stuff at this fan site (as there usually is at such places) - http://robynmusic.makes.it/ including, for -- Sororah T Massacre a video for "Keep This Fire Burning"

fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link

there are a couple more remixes from the 'Robyn' album available on her site if anyone is interested (just looked now).

Yeah, this is where I got the "Be Mine" Meatboys remix. The other "Be Mine" remix I didn't like nearly as much.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link

ah okay :) only scanned this thread quickly today, mention of that got lost under ye older messages are hidden link it seems.

fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 17:40 (eighteen years ago) link


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.