Hellboy rules.

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gotta appreciate his enthusiasm but guillermo del toro pretty much sucks, doesn't he?

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 20 November 2004 16:19 (fourteen years ago) link

All I know is that he *loves* tentacles and swords.

Maria D. (Maria D.), Saturday, 20 November 2004 16:24 (fourteen years ago) link

four months pass...
i have never read a comix book/graphic novel. EVER. but i love comic-book adaptations, i just saw 'hellboy' and loved it, loved 'from hell', love x-men, etc etc. and the thing is most people love 'spiderman' and the big ones but the more marginal stuff that never 'crossed over' (ie i'd never heard of 'hellboy' before the film, but had heard of the x-men) has these two levels of criticism going on. it's a bit like with adapted novels, but not, and enjoying them i feel a bit like a n00b or how i felt getting into hip-hop initially -- it was other people's property. i don't resent it becasue most likely if you know about x-men the comix, you'll get more out of the film -- but otoh not knowing probably means the films aren't 'spolied' by the knowledge that there's been some Really Significant Aspect that the filmmaker has travestied.

so anyway: hellboy rules (maybe lost the thread a bit at the end, tho).

N_RQ, Monday, 4 April 2005 09:19 (fourteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Going back to the very first post:

the stories are great and well put-together and make good use of myth/history/etc without resorting to twee Neil Gaimanisms

Well it's funny you should say that because...Neil and his younger daughter Maddy are on set of Hellboy 2 for a bit cause he and Del Toro are buds. And Maddy is filing the various reports, with some photos.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 30 June 2007 02:58 (twelve years ago) link

good blog, i should read it more often than once a year.

coincidently, yesterday i was moving stuff back into newly decorated bedroom and dug out all the hellboys from the various boxs of comics. there are 26 of them. turns out i am missing #5, the wolves of saint august (although i think i might have the DHP issues that they were originally in).

one day i will read them all again.

am also missing optic nerve #8. calamity.

koogs, Monday, 2 July 2007 09:12 (twelve years ago) link

Don't worry unless you're a completist -- "Wolves of St. August" isn't very good. It's the first story that Mignola scripted on his own (<i>Seeds of Destruction</i> was scipted by Jh0n Byyyyrne), and the art is a little heavy-handed (thick inks and ugly, busy coloring).

Leee, Monday, 2 July 2007 16:19 (twelve years ago) link

BPRD (with art by Guy Davis!) is where it's REALLY at these days.

Oilyrags, Monday, 2 July 2007 16:22 (twelve years ago) link

Is it? I was kind of bored with the early volumes.

Leee, Monday, 2 July 2007 17:33 (twelve years ago) link

Well, I'd read almost anything with Guy Davis art, but I do think the writing is also very strong right now.

Oilyrags, Monday, 2 July 2007 17:34 (twelve years ago) link

OILY IS RIGHT

David R., Monday, 2 July 2007 17:59 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

(wolves of st august £4 from ebay, including p+p and two other issues which i already have. also picked up optic nerve #8 and #11 without leaving my desk. woot)

koogs, Monday, 6 August 2007 14:22 (eleven years ago) link

nine years pass...

I liked him a lot, both in ST and at the SAG awards, but I'm sure anybody should be forced to play Hellboy after Perlman.

your cognitive privilege (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 03:09 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

trailer is up - do we have a thread for this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt5g5_1cKVk

def has a lot more of that mike mignola feel

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 22:28 (seven months ago) link

looks pretty cool

though i think it's hilarious and sad how trailers have trailers for themselves immediately before them now.

omar little, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 22:36 (seven months ago) link

Not liking that at all, the CGI stands out as CGI more than in GDT's movies, the wise-cracking feels like they took too much of a cue from Deadpool, Hellboy just doesn't sound right without Perlman's voice, Ian McShane is no John Hurt.

louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 22:51 (seven months ago) link

Good points:

1) Neil Marshall is my favorite kind of insane (see Doomsday if you haven't)
2) MILLA
3) It's gotta at least be better than Golden Army, which SUUUUUCKED

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 22:59 (seven months ago) link

this is a neil marshall flick? ok I'm interested

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:15 (seven months ago) link

Not liking that at all, the CGI stands out as CGI more than in GDT's movies, the wise-cracking feels like they took too much of a cue from Deadpool, Hellboy just doesn't sound right without Perlman's voice, Ian McShane is no John Hurt.

― louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, December 19, 2018

love u milo but this is crazy talk

1. CGI - longstanding tradition of CGI improving between advance trailers and release
2. wisecracking - have you read Hellboy?
3. Perlman - no, leaning toward hell no. love Perlman but his Hellboy was terrible.
4. Bruttenholm - agree John Hurt was well cast. McShane a little more 1946-1952-style but he's A+ in everything other than American Gods so let's see how it plays

Speaking as an unabashed lover of the books, this trailer alone is already more enjoyable than any of GDT's work with the character or his world. No telling if it will translate into a satisfying feature, but the tone feels right and Harbour is killing it.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:23 (seven months ago) link

Eehhhhhhhhhhh. I like Marshall, but his genre riffing I think is more miss than hit. This one looks cheap - CGI doesn't get polished *that* much * and less than charming, especially after the GdT ones, which at least had character.

Has McShane played the Devil yet?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:25 (seven months ago) link

Hellboy would have been better off without GDT period full stop.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:29 (seven months ago) link

Has McShane played the Devil yet?

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, December 19, 2018

Has he ever not?

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:29 (seven months ago) link

lmao can't believe y'all gonna make me watch GDT's Hellboy again just to better catalog what it gets wrong

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:30 (seven months ago) link

xpost I guess he is very devil-like in Sexy Beast!

Anyway, as someone who never read the comic, I liked the first one (esp. director's cut) a lot, and thought the second one looked great.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:31 (seven months ago) link

I have not seen this longstanding tradition of CGI improvements - when a movie seems like it's going to have the overall look of a video game cutscene in the trailer, it still does in the theater IME.
I've read Hellboy and there are jokes but it's more off-hand sardonic style than this. I'm not really into the Deadpool/MCU winking at the camera style.
if you don't like the Perlman/GdT films I can see this being better, I guess, but yr crazy

louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:36 (seven months ago) link

Barbour sounds like he's got Marlon Brando's cotton balls stuffed in his mouth

louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:36 (seven months ago) link

not being familiar with Hellboy before the films i thought the GdT ones were cool, but far from the types of films you can't improve on.

omar little, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:37 (seven months ago) link

I think you could improve on the GdT films by stripping them down more (fewer fantasy elements)

louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:40 (seven months ago) link

Okay so (nerd hat on) what makes Hellboy interesting imho is the way Mignola uses cosmic horror as a framework for his interest in folklore, and what gives it oomph is Hellboy's struggle to find out if he can be who he wants to be instead of who he's fated to be.

GDT seemed to think what made it interesting was look there are SO MANY CREATURES! (which if you're GDT I mean, yeah, I get it) and what gave it oomph was Liz's struggle to not be Rogue from the X-Men.

tldr Hellboy is The Iron Giant and GDT made it Beat the End Boss and Kiss the Girl. He was always more interested in Abe.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:48 (seven months ago) link

if you don't like the Perlman/GdT films I can see this being better, I guess, but yr crazy

― louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, December 19, 2018

peace. xoxo.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:48 (seven months ago) link

btw I’m not blind - that is some sardo numspa-lookin CGI demon.

still better than GDT tho.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 20 December 2018 04:45 (seven months ago) link

what makes Hellboy interesting imho is the way Mignola uses cosmic horror as a framework for his interest in folklore, and what gives it oomph is Hellboy's struggle to find out if he can be who he wants to be instead of who he's fated to be.

I thought this was literally what the first movie was about?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 December 2018 13:04 (seven months ago) link

I liked the GdT movies, and thought Perlman was pretty good. I liked what I've read of the comics. I'll probably like this, too.

However, the feel of Mignola's art, which is about half the appeal of Hellboy for me, just can't be adequately translated to live action, IMO, unless you're going to go for some Sin City-esque hyperstylization. Has anyone seen any of the animated Hellboy stuff/is it good?

days of being riled (zchyrs), Thursday, 20 December 2018 15:08 (seven months ago) link

yes/not really? I mean, I literally forgot it existed and that I had seen it until this thread popped back up again yesterday

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Thursday, 20 December 2018 15:47 (seven months ago) link

"Storm of Swords" is fine, haven't kept tabs on any other animated HB films.

I complained about this when the first movie came out that I didn't like GDT's decision to make HB and Abe hide their existences from the outside world. Having common folk talk to HB like NBD is a great little touch in the comics.

Siouxie Sioux Vide (Leee), Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:02 (seven months ago) link

three months pass...

lol i literally contradicted myself in the other Hellboy thread. I rewatched both recently though and the very particular del Toro auteurism was more impressive on these viewings. the first trailer of this new one did look cool but the last one or two were troublesome. the funny lines didn't land and the direction looked very boilerplate. The Hellboy universe goes a long way with its inherent creativity, maybe there'd be some appeal there. but idk.

omar little, Friday, 12 April 2019 18:02 (three months ago) link

so much for my high hopes... by all accounts this one’s a fright pig. feel bad for Harbour and for Mignola, whose work deserves better

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 13 April 2019 02:49 (three months ago) link

Such a shame. I really like a bunch of Marshall's B grade horror/historical films: "Dog Soldiers", "Centurion", "The Descent" - and was hoping he'd stay away from the cutesy GDT-isms and get at that sweet Mignola creepiness. Seems this is just a Z grade mimic'ing of the Del Toro stuff.

Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 13 April 2019 14:30 (three months ago) link

so I ended up seeing this after all. it’s overstuffed and undercooked but really not half as bad as golden army and much closer in spirit to the books, which remain unassailable.

a less corny soundtrack and maybe pulling two or three cheesy fight scenes would have helped a lot.

they tried to do way too much and presumably won’t get a second swing, but god bless ‘em for trying. McShane’s as wasted as he is in American Gods but Harbour’s a gem throughout.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 14 April 2019 04:53 (three months ago) link

The previews made it seem a bit Guy Richie Does Hellboy, which seems v. unlike the comic

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 14 April 2019 11:31 (three months ago) link

just to be clear, this is not a good movie. and there are def bits of that, though if anything more Matthew Vaughn than Guy Ritchie. i mean, there are bits of everything. you could cut a trailer that made this thing look like Attack the Block. my take is just, huh, it's not as bad as I expected.

the fatal flaw is that the producers think bc HELLBOY is a comic book, Hellboy has to be a superhero. i'd hoped this one would steer away from the CGI action crap and toward the horror/pulp/melancholy/weird tale elements but aside from one or two shots, nope.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 14 April 2019 14:42 (three months ago) link

I remember at the very least The Golden Army (which I only saw that once, back when) looked gorgeous. From its trailers this one looks like a CGI public toilet.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 14 April 2019 14:48 (three months ago) link

an overhaul of the soundtrack alone would make this 50% better

gbx, Sunday, 14 April 2019 15:05 (three months ago) link

an overhaul of the soundtrack alone would make this 50% better


who’s gonna volunteer to do the fan cut?

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 14 April 2019 22:28 (three months ago) link

Yeah wasn't great was it.
& it seems to want to be the first of several.
Seemed like a lot of lines were off rhythm or something.
Wonder how many people stayed for the post credits scenes.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 17:00 (three months ago) link


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