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Batman Begins will be fine. Preacher & Constantine & Catwoman, though ... hmm ...

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 14:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I know it'll be fine as a movie, and it will do well, but aren't they doing it backwards, sending out lesser products in advance of the big one?
Wouldn't it make more sense, from a business standpoint, to put out the one that's guaranteed (maybe) to rock, and then let the not-as-blockbusterial movies ride its coattails (even though none of them have anything to do with each other).
Preacher might be okay. I kinda doubt it, since it's filming here, but I could see $15 mill being enough to get it done right.

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 14:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, yeah, you're right, Huk, except that, perhaps, they're afear'd of the bad rep the Batman franchise has nowadays, and are trying to foster goodwill by releasing movies based on other, lesser-known properties. (No, this still doesn't help make any sense of WTF they're doing with / do / on top of Catwoman.) However, where the Marvel properties have that MARVEL brand-name association, there's no D.C. association w/ any of their properties - it's all WB, isn't it?

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 14:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Even if it is decent, though, it probably won't even be looked at as a "comic book movie." It's not like it can rely on the reputation of the comic to bring it to a mass audience in the way that Batman, Spiderman, or even Punisher can. Same for the Hellblazer movie...either it will be a decent movie on its own or it won't, but only a small amount of hardcore fans will be anticipating and judging it based on the comic.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 14:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Bingo! Plus, I imagine trying to associate these characters with their funny book origins would turn off folks that aren't keen on funny books (cf. Hellboy).

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Good points.
Though actually, I don't think all of them are being made by Warner Film (though they may eventually be distributed by). Preacher, for example, is being produced by Mind's Eye Pictures.

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 14:53 (nineteen years ago) link

That's the thing right there, I think -- DC has no real control over what order movies come out in (and for all practical purposes, neither does WB): all the options might have been picked up at the same time, but production isn't first-come first-served.

(Top Cow has tried to strategize things like this, which resulted in what, a lukewarm basic cable series and nothing else.)

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 15:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, they have some control over what they license and what sort of terms they put on the licenses, but yeah, I'd imagine it's "Oh, you want to pay us money for the chance to seriously ponder making a movie of one of our properties that we, in all our corporate munificence, have no plans for? Bring on the checks, beyotch!"
But they've been pretty lucky with their animated series (though Paul Dini [or is it Bruce Timm?] has left WB Animation, so that's probably all over), and managed to handle their properties in a pretty market-effective manner in that milieu. But TV and animation especially, involve a lot more pre-production and hence lend themselves to a more cohesive strategy.

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 15:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, most of the options picked up for these properties are never produced ... and on the one hand, that means they get no movie, but on the other, it's free money for DC, without the danger of having their product diluted by a terrible movie.

(When Marvel sold the Daredevil option, wasn't that in the same package with Ghost Rider, Punisher, Iron Man, et al? Or was that Dr Strange?)

I think the idea is that companies probably want to option several at a time if they don't have something specific in mind. Mind you, Catwoman befuddles the hell out of me, because why option that separately from Batman?

Teen Titans kind of killed my faith in their cartoons. I'm not sure that's fair -- I don't think it's a bad show necessarily, the two episodes I've seen; just one I really don't like. Either it doesn't have the same broad appeal as the other ones did, or I'm getting old :)

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link

What about Shaq's Steel? (i didn't see it)

Teen Titans is definitely aimed at a younger age group than the other cartoons, and I never really think about it in the same bundle as B:TAS, S:TAS and JL (or JLU). It's sort of off in its own kiddyverse.

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 15:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I have this image of all the guys in DC snickering when they cashed the check for the Steel license, walking out of the bank with a sack with a $ on it, and then falling over with their feet in the air in shock when the movie actually got made.

(I saw it, it wasn't good but there have been worse.)

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 15:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I was surprised because it was a really, really new character then. But Shaq has a Superman tattoo, so he's probably a Supes fan and he was like "I wanna play Superman."
And the Hollywood people were all, "But, uh, you can't ac--er, you're black. How about this guy who's a lot like Superman. He's even friends with Superman."

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 15:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Jay Underwood and Dolph Lundgren to thread!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 15:56 (nineteen years ago) link

The Boy Who Could Fly and the Punisher/He-Man?

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 16:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Replacing He-Man with the Punisher would make for the #1 best movie of all time.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Only if Rebecca Romijn (sic!) was She-Ra.

(Jay Underwood = Human Torch in shelved Roger-Corman-produced FF flick.)

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 16:23 (nineteen years ago) link

And then there was the mid-90s Justice League TV pilot with that guy from MASH as the Martian Manhunter.

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 16:57 (nineteen years ago) link

"that guy from MASH" = Jamie Farr? Frank Burns? HARRY MORGAN?

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 16:59 (nineteen years ago) link

HOTLIPS!

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Alan Alda : J'onn J'onnz :: Keanu Reeves : John Constantine

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Winchester

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link

http://modelmuseum.bravepages.com/images/jlamvsm.jpg

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link

You know it's bad when the costumes are worse than the ones on The Tick. "Tremble before the might of Green Lantern, foul cretins! Quake at the squeak-squeak squish of justice!"

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 17:10 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...

According to Hollywood North Report, the Garth Ennis adaptation is slated to begin shooting in
Vancouver this fall, with one additional week of filming being done in either Texas or Saskatchewan.
They have no word on whether or not actor James Marsden is still attached to play the title role.

Huck, Monday, 30 August 2004 17:07 (nineteen years ago) link

four years pass...

Odd:
http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=23535

chap, Friday, 31 October 2008 13:56 (fifteen years ago) link

emotional and psychological complexity - which Preacher has in spades

!!!

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 31 October 2008 14:21 (fifteen years ago) link

It'll also make a nice change for him, after his most recent movie, the 50s-set drama, Revolutionary Road. This one has considerably more action - and people with faces like an arse.

James Morrison, Sunday, 2 November 2008 05:34 (fifteen years ago) link

five years pass...

AMC now developing Preacher for TV.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Friday, 7 February 2014 19:41 (ten years ago) link

Can't say 'fuck' on AMC. Might be a stumbling block.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Saturday, 8 February 2014 01:32 (ten years ago) link

brba got 1 fuck a season

Hungry4Ass, Saturday, 8 February 2014 02:18 (ten years ago) link

bleeped tho

Hungry4Ass, Saturday, 8 February 2014 02:18 (ten years ago) link

Shooting in Regina (where I live) this summer with a budget of $15 million.
will post more when I learn more.

lol

(D1CK$) (sic), Saturday, 8 February 2014 08:38 (ten years ago) link

ugh seth rogan adaptation, no thank you

PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 9 February 2014 05:38 (ten years ago) link

i mean whatever, he might be the right person for this but i guess the person i am now is not the right person to watch it.

PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 9 February 2014 05:39 (ten years ago) link

he's not writing it though. do you hate Catlin's episodes of Breaking Bad?

(D1CK$) (sic), Sunday, 9 February 2014 07:00 (ten years ago) link

Which ones are they?

PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 9 February 2014 07:23 (ten years ago) link

s2e4, "Down"
s2e9, "4 Days Out"
s3e4, "Green Light"
s3e10, "Fly"
s3e12, "Half-Measures"
s4e3, "Open House"
s4e8, "Hermanos"
s4e11, "Crawl Space"
s5e4, "Fifty-One"
s5e12, "Rabid Dog" (also directed)

Clay, Sunday, 9 February 2014 10:19 (ten years ago) link

yeah, that's good stuff. i am torn now.

PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 9 February 2014 17:53 (ten years ago) link

i'll give it a chance if it makes it to series. it won't be the same without the excessive swearing though

Nhex, Sunday, 9 February 2014 18:11 (ten years ago) link

Yeah I'll definitely watch it. Preacher's a good yarn for all its faults.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Sunday, 9 February 2014 18:16 (ten years ago) link

If they stick to the comics, "Mom?" will be the scene I'll anticipate.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Sunday, 9 February 2014 22:12 (ten years ago) link

This thread isn't about the movie called Preacher that I thought it was about.

we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Sunday, 9 February 2014 23:47 (ten years ago) link

This seems like a weird idea... I mean, no way can they use the whole God subplot (especially its conclusion) on American TV, right? And if they don't use it, the whole premise of the story is changed.

Tuomas, Monday, 10 February 2014 12:06 (ten years ago) link

And even though The Da Vinci Code did popularize the whole "Jesus had kids and his bloodline is still around" theory, I can imagine some viewers getting a bit upset if the series uses Ennis's particular version of Jesus's descendants.

Tuomas, Monday, 10 February 2014 12:12 (ten years ago) link

Atheism is hot and sexy these days -- I could see them using everything from the book. Maybe even the "fuck"s, with bleeps, which would kinda be hilarious.

Dr. Strongo's Peppermint Paté (WilliamC), Monday, 10 February 2014 14:05 (ten years ago) link

SPOILERS!!

But the series isn't really about atheism, it's about the Christian god being a manipulative jerk, and his followers being idiots and/or dangerous and violent fanatics, and it ends with said god and his angels being shot to death, which is seen as a justified act of revenge and generally a good thing. So even if "atheism is hot and sexy", I'd assume those plot points would be quite controversial.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 13:32 (ten years ago) link

Executive producers tend to be fairly hands-off, don't they? I expect Rogan & Goldberg's involvement helped get this commissioned, but they probably won't be hugely involved beyond that.

So glad it wasn't the Daredevil guy who ended up doing it. Can only imagine what a trainwreck that would've been.

Pheeel, Thursday, 13 February 2014 10:04 (ten years ago) link

Daredevil guy = Ben Affleck?

Tuomas, Thursday, 13 February 2014 15:39 (ten years ago) link

mainly i'm just morbidly curious to see them adapt the bill hicks issue

(main prostitute from Game Of Thrones) (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 May 2016 22:00 (seven years ago) link

Never been able to get past the terrible artwork on The Boys

Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 24 May 2016 06:20 (seven years ago) link

I think Darick Robertson is a decent artist, and his cartoonish style is certainly a good match for Ennis' writing style... But the digital colouring and the "3D" shading on the comic is awfully ugly and brown-tinted, which makes Robertson's art look worse too.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 24 May 2016 11:13 (seven years ago) link

The Irish stereotype guy in this is pretty broad isn't he? Is that guy actually northern english, mancunian or something? Geezer who's been in Misfits etc?

Am wondering if they'll include Jesse's John Wayne fixation or if it'd mean touching on copyright issues or something.

Did quite enjoy this so will probably watch the rest.

Also really enjoyed The Boys a couple of years back. I guess roughly when it was coming out really.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 24 May 2016 15:52 (seven years ago) link

xp agreed, i never liked the coloring on that book, you just nailed it for me - I wasn't sure it what it was...

If they do the John Wayne thing the way they did it in the book (in shadow) I'm sure they can get away with it as parody. Bill Hicks thing I'm less sure...

Nhex, Tuesday, 24 May 2016 16:00 (seven years ago) link

turns out Rogen and Goldberg are developing a TV version of The Boys too

Number None, Tuesday, 24 May 2016 18:41 (seven years ago) link

I just realized that Ennis is basically a way less self-aware Johnny Ryan.

Wet Food (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 May 2016 18:46 (seven years ago) link

issue #1 of preacher going for northwards of £200 on ebay at the mo.

(the amc-branded reissue is free on comixology, or 69p for the vertigo version.)

haven't re-read this since it was published. time to dig it out again?

koogs, Tuesday, 24 May 2016 19:48 (seven years ago) link

Ennis is pretty self-aware, imho. He's just happy where he is.

I'd imagine there is precisely zero chance of them doing the Bill Hicks episode, it must've be first on any list of compromises.

(I'm actually curious about how widely known John Wayne is with younger generation)

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 10:26 (seven years ago) link

I didn't see any of the angels introduced yet so wonder to what extent they're going to be used. Prior containment for this thing that has arrived on earth from somewhere in space appears to be handled very differently in the comics. But maybe the tv narrative needs the earthly participants introduced first or something.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 15:35 (seven years ago) link

Considering quite a bit of Preacher is flasbacks, I can see why they are changing it up a bit for the show.

They are also interestingly enough making to more superhero considering Tulip's and Cassidys parts in the first show.

earlnash, Thursday, 26 May 2016 14:44 (seven years ago) link

?

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 27 May 2016 14:08 (seven years ago) link

i just reread the first five issues; this book sucks

ulysses, Friday, 27 May 2016 14:57 (seven years ago) link

They are also interestingly enough making to more superhero considering Tulip's and Cassidys parts in the first show.

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I'm assuming this relates to Tulip being introduced as a bungling would be assassin in the comic book who leaps into Cassidy's pick up truck and tries to jack it off him which he refuses.
& the tv show has him being introduced having a Bond -like fight on a plane, though a bit more gorey, and her having a fight in a speeding vehicle displaying all kinds of martial arts skills or whatever.

But it is a different medium and does have its own way of showing narrative which maybe this taps into more.
I dunno. Quite enjoyed it anyway.

Stevolende, Friday, 27 May 2016 15:16 (seven years ago) link

I enjoyed it! A more comedic tone than the comic, and seemed much more willing to laugh at its protagonists, which can only be a good thing. Remains to be seen how well/if it deals with the more epic storylines coming up.

Re accents - I'm as English as they come so am probably not the best judge, but I thought Joe Gilgun's Cork brogue was pretty convincing.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 27 May 2016 16:42 (seven years ago) link

God Howard Stark's accent is so, so bad. Like, even worse than his Howard Stark accent - but at least he's not the main character in that show!

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 27 May 2016 16:46 (seven years ago) link

Whatever Gilgin's doing, it ain't Cork boy

Number None, Friday, 27 May 2016 17:30 (seven years ago) link

I thought this was pretty good, even if it is the worst of the current batch of comics TV shows that isn't Arrow.

It did seem the plot threw itself about a bit but I guess television narrative style drives that.

suffeeciant attreebution (aldo), Saturday, 28 May 2016 21:16 (seven years ago) link

Read the full series on a whim, definitely gonna try to sell it on ebay.
First episode of this was pretty bad, i faded out after the gratuitous broken arm scene.

i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 4 June 2016 06:01 (seven years ago) link

Does it hold up? I've never read it.

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 4 June 2016 12:03 (seven years ago) link

I re-read it nine or ten years ago, and it kind of doesn't, except that it didn't really at the time. A new reader might well be carried along by the characters and jokes and twists just as well as a '90s reader waiting month to month or TPB to TPB was, except without the accompanying investment letting them feel disappointed or cheated by a tangent or twist too far. Read it if you're interested, keep going if you like it, bail out if it loses you at some point.

glandular lansbury (sic), Saturday, 4 June 2016 15:08 (seven years ago) link

Positive things I have to say about Preacher based on my memory of reading it fifteen years ago or whatever:

1) I really like Steve Dillon's art.
2) For better or worse, Odin Quincannon fucking the meat lady is an indelible image.
3) Turning Herr Starr into a walking penis head was pretty good, as juvenile jokes go.

That's pretty much it.

What's Your Definition of a Dirty Baby? (Old Lunch), Saturday, 4 June 2016 15:32 (seven years ago) link

it doesn't "hold up" but it is a quick compulsive read if you skip over all the proselytizing. Last few issues are terrible.

De La Soul is no Major Lazer (ulysses), Saturday, 4 June 2016 15:35 (seven years ago) link

I don't think I managed to finish the first TPB.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Sunday, 5 June 2016 17:27 (seven years ago) link

I read a lot of this series (at least the first five trades) in high school during my heavy Vertigo phase, and while I still like Steve Dillon's art, the writing definitely seems glib and ~edgy~ in a strained way that doesn't repay rereading.

one way street, Sunday, 5 June 2016 19:33 (seven years ago) link

so the main way they're trying to keep true to the comic is computer-colouring everything in '90s Vertigo shades of baby-shit brown and green

glandular lansbury (sic), Monday, 6 June 2016 15:52 (seven years ago) link

I.e. the most consistently-lamentable quality of '90s Vertigo.

What's Your Definition of a Dirty Baby? (Old Lunch), Monday, 6 June 2016 15:59 (seven years ago) link

on the plus side, a copy of preacher #1 sold on ebay for $250 over the weekend so ahma try to sell my whole collection asap

De La Soul is no Major Lazer (ulysses), Monday, 6 June 2016 17:35 (seven years ago) link

Would that I had not sold my collection years ago. One man's trash...

What's Your Definition of a Dirty Baby? (Old Lunch), Monday, 6 June 2016 18:00 (seven years ago) link

$150 bid for the collection (1 to 50 plus all the one shots and saint of killer mini in VF+/NM and the last two TPB), 4 days to go

De La Soul is no Major Lazer (ulysses), Thursday, 9 June 2016 21:43 (seven years ago) link

nice. I sold all the one-shots & spinoffs years ago, gotta get my run of TPBs up

glandular lansbury (sic), Thursday, 9 June 2016 23:14 (seven years ago) link

I got 340 bucks for the full series btw, think i undersold but happy to have the room on my shelf.

i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 18 June 2016 16:52 (seven years ago) link

That seems like a good price. are old floppies like old vinyls now?

Foster Twelvetrees (Ward Fowler), Saturday, 18 June 2016 18:44 (seven years ago) link

Wow. I'm not sure what I have in the way of the spin offs but certainly have the original 60 odd issues. Not entirely sure where they are but...

koogs, Saturday, 18 June 2016 21:54 (seven years ago) link

Walking Dead number one is selling for thousands; there's a sudden surge on preacher insofar as if it becomes popular it's a CULTURAL TOUCHSTONE
seems silly but happy to have it happen. Now what do I do with the other 5000 odd floppies? Do people want full runs of Howard the Duck anymore?

thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Sunday, 19 June 2016 05:23 (seven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I got 340 bucks for the full series btw, think i undersold but happy to have the room on my shelf.

Got the 9 volumes out the door for $130, very happy about that

Also stuck up Troubled Souls and For A Few Troubles More by Ennis & McCrea, which are at $50 and $45 respectively with 5 days to go

glandular lansbury (sic), Monday, 4 July 2016 09:26 (seven years ago) link


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