Bark Psychosis: C or D

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it's only there - because of Andy K !

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 3 July 2003 13:31 (twenty years ago) link

Cool! I want one so much.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 3 July 2003 13:44 (twenty years ago) link

it's not released [yet]! it's not on promo ! it's only there because Andy knows like the rest of us - it's on the horizon !

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 3 July 2003 13:51 (twenty years ago) link

I know but I still want one so much!

Excuse me; I had a pint at lunchtime.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 3 July 2003 13:54 (twenty years ago) link

my goodness, such enthusiasm for an album i've passed up in sale bins (cause it didn't sell), cut-out bins and so many second hand bins

yes, i hope they haven't quite all been snapped up and i'm too late

(any pointers along the lines of, "if you like this then you'll like Bark Psychosis" -- oh, i know such comparisons are a bit shaky, but help !)

george gosset (gegoss), Thursday, 3 July 2003 14:04 (twenty years ago) link

if you like...
extraordinary, life-changing and affirming music?
Perfect albums?
Timeless art?

Hex is easy enough to triangulate. A.R. Kane, Laughing Stock, Astral Weeks. but it's so much more than the sum of its influences.

summerslastsound, Thursday, 3 July 2003 14:16 (twenty years ago) link

if it means another copy of Hex being rung up and enriching an existence, this is no time to be succinct. so here's what i wrote for Muze, back in the day...

Of all the bands branded with the nebulous "post-rock" tag, England's Bark Psychosis achieved the rarest balance between group musicality and post-production programming. Recorded with a large ensemble of musicians but pieced together with a computer and a sampler, Hex is a seamless tapestry—-a miraculous album that never forfeits its supernatural aura to the sterility of digital design. Principals Graham Sutton and Daniel Gish elaborate on such timeless models as A.R. Kane's 69, The Blue Nile's A Walk Across the Rooftops and especially Talk Talk's Laughing Stock, filling Hex's wide-screen canvas with emotional song-craft and technological refinement. Hex favors the elegant and the understated, presenting an extraordinarily filmic backdrop against which piano, guitar and vocal phrases, wisps of instrumentation and Mark Simnett's percussive cascades fall like December snow. The secret tensions that underscore Bark Psychosis' shimmering quiescence first manifest themselves in John Ling's sinuous, dub-modulated basslines, occasionally erupting in such rapturous displays of bittersweet beauty as "A Street Scene" and "Eyes & Smiles." Other breathtaking flourishes include ribbon-fine feedback, quenching showers of vibes and Del Crabtree's electrifying Miles-style trumpet. Alas, even Bark Psychosis couldn't top Hex. The group disbanded, with Sutton finding minor fame in the drum n' bass arena as Boymerang.


i hope to be proved oh-so-wrong on this last point. will be able to let you know very soon. (-;

summerslastsound, Thursday, 3 July 2003 14:27 (twenty years ago) link

as an aside, i should mention that a deal for codename:dustsucker is coming fast, perhaps within the week. rumour has it there is a london-based label that is very interested and negotiations are occurring as we speak. i can only hope they're big enough to be swift with the pressing and distribution.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Thursday, 3 July 2003 14:38 (twenty years ago) link

What's all that shit scratched all over the blank side of 'scum' all about then? Anyone ever tried playing it?

Jacob (Jacob), Thursday, 3 July 2003 15:15 (twenty years ago) link

interesting...

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 3 July 2003 17:33 (twenty years ago) link

indeed ...

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Thursday, 3 July 2003 17:53 (twenty years ago) link

don't you dare turn this into an inquisition!
you don't know Lance (count your blessings).
you don't know me (your loss).

grrr.

summerslastsound, Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:15 (twenty years ago) link

Fuck off, scumbag.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:20 (twenty years ago) link

what the fuck?!

summerslastsound, Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:22 (twenty years ago) link

and here i was thinking it was ONLY a thread abt bark psychosis but what do you know.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 4 July 2003 09:22 (twenty years ago) link

huh????

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Friday, 4 July 2003 16:34 (twenty years ago) link

The stuff on Game Over is extraodrinarily good.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 4 July 2003 21:18 (twenty years ago) link

it is? i liked 'murder city', that was about it. well and the stuff from independency too.

keith (keithmcl), Friday, 4 July 2003 21:29 (twenty years ago) link

I think most of game over is from independency and hex, aren't there only one or two songs that are only available on game over? I sold it back because it didn't flow well, and it seemed inessential with the other two and I just never listened to it.

Nick I can burn you Independency if you want, it's next to impossible to find now (check musicstack.com or gemm, I guess).

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Friday, 4 July 2003 22:27 (twenty years ago) link

Aye, only two tracks on it aren't on Hex or Independancy. Someone should be sending me a burnt copy of Independancy any time now though, so I should be OK anthony, but thanks anyway. I've also got both Amazon and HMV hassling suppliers so maybe some day they'll even re-press it.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 4 July 2003 22:37 (twenty years ago) link

so has anyone else heard the 4 tracks from dustsucker that
are floating around slsk? i've just heard them for the first time
and this could be the best comeback evah!

joni, Tuesday, 15 July 2003 11:51 (twenty years ago) link

Tell tell tell!

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:16 (twenty years ago) link

Positive I linked to this on another BP-related thread. I describe each of the four tracks in the 03.06.03 entry -- you have to scroll down quite a bit to get to it.

Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:27 (twenty years ago) link

Interesting you should point out the lack of bass guitar, as Sutton produced and played bass on Coldharbourstores' debut album, which is conspicuously lacking in bottom-end.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:35 (twenty years ago) link

all i gotta say about this is fuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

i miss john ling though. *crying over loss of dub*

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Thursday, 17 July 2003 00:14 (twenty years ago) link

three months pass...
just posted this on my blog:

Bark Psychosis: NEW ALBUM: MARCH 2004

The release of the much delayed: CODENAME: dustsucker album by Bark Psychosis has been set for March 2004.

It will be released on Fire Records

From the Bark Psychosis forum:

Personnel on the new album consists of:

Pete Beresford - Vibraphone
Anja Buechele – Vocals
Rachel Dreyer – Piano, Vocals, Wood Flute
Shaun Hyder – Sindhi Tamboura
Lee Harris – Drums
Alice Kemp – Bowed Guitar
T.J. Mackenzie – Trumpet
David Panos – Bass
Graham Sutton– Guitar,Piano, Melodica, Bass, Emulator,Vocals

The record was engineered and produced by Graham Sutton at DustSuckerSound, Hackney, London.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 17:52 (twenty years ago) link

Good lord, that took forever.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 18:13 (twenty years ago) link

ah ..but not as long as MBV or The Blue Nile, Ned !

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 18:17 (twenty years ago) link

LEE HARRIS??

Like, THE Lee Harris??? Of Talk Talk???

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 19:43 (twenty years ago) link

Well, yeah. That's not that surprising.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 20:05 (twenty years ago) link

This is all true and good! I emailed Graham again the other re; a potential interview for Stylus, and he said March 2004 on Fire. It is Lee Harris and from the tracks I've heard it's going to be very good.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 21:09 (twenty years ago) link

Uh, HELLO?? This is a Bark Psychosis album! Just "very good"? This will not do...

Hmmm... March 2004. So, I should expect to hear it around February or so?? heh heh heh.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 23:25 (twenty years ago) link

Well, I've only heard 4 tracks, the rest of course could be rubbish... But I doubt it.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 30 October 2003 09:56 (twenty years ago) link

was told by someone who heard the whole thing and is a big fan that they "didn't think much of it"... alas!

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 30 October 2003 19:09 (twenty years ago) link

is it a bark psychosis record or a bark psychosis/boymerang record? are the two entirely separate? is boymerang over?

keith (keithmcl), Friday, 31 October 2003 03:52 (twenty years ago) link

It's definitely a Bark Psychosis record -- and a damn good one at that.

Andy K (Andy K), Friday, 31 October 2003 04:06 (twenty years ago) link

okay that makes me feel better, I'm not sure what her problem was with it then. the boymerang stuff didn't do much for me and I was afraid it would sound like that.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Friday, 31 October 2003 08:04 (twenty years ago) link

Hmm, ILM seems to be bringing up many of my favorite records/bands tonight -- Labradford, Disco Inferno, and now Bark Psychosis. I'd have to agree that the early singles/eps were fantastic (Independency has many of them) but Hex is where it's at. The whole album is brill. From what I heard of Codename: Dustsucker, it's not entirely awful. Some the early criticism of it seems a little, I dunno, lukewarm. I can see how some people would be disappointed in it though. It's been so long since they released a record, almost anything they put out is bound to disappoint some fans after what is it 5-6 years now?

Fake Edit: I remember some kind of ep or comp. being released after Hex, so it may have not have been all that long since Bark Psychosis put out something. But I may be wrong about that.

Luis, Friday, 31 October 2003 08:41 (twenty years ago) link

Heh, Hex is now 9 years old, Independency (EP compilation) is also 9 years old, Game Over (patchy odds & sods comp.) is 6 years old. The last 'new' material BP released was the "Blue" single, and that was at the tale-end of 1994 as well. Even Boymerang was 1997. It's been a looooooooooooooooooong time comin'.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 31 October 2003 10:14 (twenty years ago) link

Ahh you are correct, Nick. AMG tells me Hex was released in 94. I was under the impression it came out around 96-97ish (That will teach me to rely on vague memory at 3am). Only I could have sworn the Independency disc came out beforehand, I specifically remember having Independency and a handful of the eps(Mannan, Blue...?) on tapes long before Hex. Of course I probably have the whole time line screwed up a bit since I didn't properly get into BP till 1996(ish). In any case it has been a long wait for a new BP record. Glad they are back, even if I have to wait till March for an actual copy. Wonder if it's "done" or if they will change anything from what's been leaked...

Luis, Friday, 31 October 2003 21:54 (twenty years ago) link

So it looks like 3rd Stone are poised to release the new live & rare compilation of BP, entitled Replay. Here's the advance notice from Artist Shop distro (still no full version of "Blue" in sight, sigh):

Bark Psychosis were one of the leading innovators of rock during their
active period of 1988 to 1994. Their music, while almost traditional rock is better described as post rock. Their use of samples to create textural soundscapes brings a whole new sound to the genre. Post rock was speared-headed by Bark Psychosis when the genre was staid and unchanging, one of Bark Psychosis innovations is the use of volume, not too exciting you might think but as the barrage of guitars gives way to the soft vocals and synthesizers you’ll notice the dynamics that infuse their work. The artwork feature photographs of the St Johns Church where this live recording was made back in 1991, the situation perfectly reflecting the style of Bark Psychosis and their unique sound is enhanced by the acoustics. Starring alongside the 5 live tracks are some very special moments in the history of Bark Psychosis. Re-mastered versions of Reserve Shotgunman and Hex make
their first appearance since their release as b-sides and are joined by an ultra-rare track that all good Psychosis fans will have heard of - Clawhammer. Originally released in 1988 alongside an extract from Spacemen 3 Dreamweapon, this flexi-disc remains a collectors item for both Bark Psychosis fans and Spacemen 3 devotee's alike. Also featured is a remix of Big Shot.

Doug Watson (solid air), Thursday, 13 November 2003 14:17 (twenty years ago) link

Re: the "full" version of "Blue".

The CD single does say 'edit' on it, and as I bought that first on the day of release I thought "Great song, I wonder if the full version is any bigger and better?" So I went off and bought the 12 inch (on white vinyl) a day or so later and do know how much difference there is? Hardly any. There's about 20 or 30 seconds of music at the start, very much like the coda of the song, then the song proper starts, and it ends just like the CD version. So really, you're not missing much.

What are the live tracks on "Replay" then? I presume "Pendulum man" from "Game over" is there?

Rob M (Rob M), Thursday, 13 November 2003 14:33 (twenty years ago) link

Is "Hex" really any good? I got it years ago played it a few times and found it to be totally in-one-ear-and-out-the-other and now here I am many years hence being told what a work of genius it is. Should I seek it out again or am I in for a "World of Echo"/ AR Kane "yep, it's every bit as dull as I remember despite what people say" type scenario?!?!???

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 13 November 2003 15:31 (twenty years ago) link

Depends how much you like "Spirit of Eden" era Talk Talk really! If you do, then you'll like "Hex".

Have you got "World of Echo" then, as I've been after a copy of that for years...

Rob M (Rob M), Thursday, 13 November 2003 16:01 (twenty years ago) link

Depends how much you like "Spirit of Eden" era Talk Talk really! If you do, then you'll like "Hex".

I do like "Spirit of Eden", "Hex" never made enough impression on me to ever play it more than a couple of times

Have you got "World of Echo" then, as I've been after a copy of that for years...

Yes I have a copy. No I cannot for the life of me work out why people go on about it so much - I blame Simon Reynolds.

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 13 November 2003 18:24 (twenty years ago) link

Was that advance notice written by someone who's first langauge isn't English? It's horrendous.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 13 November 2003 18:44 (twenty years ago) link

I'm not so into Hex either, but the stuff before it was really amazing.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 13 November 2003 19:12 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
So an 8-track version of Dustsucker is available on SLSK, but is it actually the real deal? Aside from the four tracks (Miss Abuse, Inqb8r, Burning The City, 400 Winters) that have been around on the net for a while, the other four (which i've not downloaded yet) are all old titles - Tooled Up, Lazarus (Boymerang title), Bigshot remix, Reserve Shot Gunman. What's the deal? I can't fathom Graham spending ten years only to come up with four new tracks and a load of rare stuff stuck together? Has anyone got any information about this? Andy K? I've just emailed the PR about a review copy so I'll see what she says.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 2 January 2004 16:04 (twenty years ago) link

It's been a group release for about a month, and they don't mess around.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Saturday, 3 January 2004 02:34 (twenty years ago) link

that 8-track version can't be the real deal. aside from the old BP stuff on it, the first track is actually boymerang. also, fire records have put up mp3s of two tracks not on it: "rose" and "shapeshifting."

Andrew Calaman (Andrew Calaman), Saturday, 3 January 2004 02:51 (twenty years ago) link

I did. Listened to it last night and it actually sounds pretty great!!

Guessing, despite Graham’s comments, that they must’ve had some sort of decent masters to work with.

Internet Alan, Monday, 15 April 2019 17:29 (five years ago) link

Picked it up but not listened to it yet. Also sent me off to finally order the “Blue” and “A Street Scene” CD singles which have now arrived.

michaellambert, Monday, 15 April 2019 17:45 (five years ago) link

I was so conflicted about this one. As well as your comment about the quality of the sound Alan, a few people on Discogs have said it sounds excellent. As soon as it was announced it was at the top of my list, but Graham's comments stopped me from getting it. We have one copy left at work and it's calling my name.

kitchen person, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 04:03 (five years ago) link

I asked Graham if he’d ever remaster Independency and he suggested there were significant legal issues with doing so, iirc. No idea what.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 05:59 (five years ago) link

The legal issue will be Gerald Palmer’s ownership of the masters.

michaellambert, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 11:34 (five years ago) link

I ended up picking up this reissue and have to say, it sounds really great. Just as good as the recent Hex and Codename vinyl reissues.

kitchen person, Saturday, 20 April 2019 15:29 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

So Independency, Game Over and Replay have now hit streaming services? Really didn't expect this at all.

kommafeil, Monday, 19 April 2021 14:30 (three years ago) link

nice!

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 19 April 2021 17:54 (three years ago) link

Files were upped on Boomkat a couple of months ago but Graham asked them to take them down and they complied almost immediately, so I guess Third Stone were responsible.

Maresn3st, Monday, 19 April 2021 18:34 (three years ago) link

well, i'm happy to hear independency again.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 19 April 2021 18:43 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

Is there any plans to reissue the non-album stuff?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 6 May 2022 20:55 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

Struggled to decide which thread to flag this on ...

https://acerecords.co.uk/in-the-light-of-time

Great track listing.

djh, Thursday, 10 August 2023 20:33 (eight months ago) link

This looks great but I feel picky about a couple of the inclusions on here.

MaresNest, Thursday, 10 August 2023 23:07 (eight months ago) link

Hate to nit pick as all these tracks are great but no Butterfly Child or Papa Sprain?

Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Thursday, 10 August 2023 23:11 (eight months ago) link

Appliance are not great imho, or relevant, ESoJ too.

MaresNest, Thursday, 10 August 2023 23:14 (eight months ago) link

Yes, surprising that Butterfly Child weren't on there.

I felt strangely enthused about this last night - just glad to see those bands being documented together - without ever having a need to buy the album (as I'd have every track on there that I'd want).

Made this a few years ago (probably with wine). Surprised I omitted Piano Magic and Hood and not sure Montgolfier Brothers and Bitter Springs quite fit the timeline:

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0WNCUK2moLElB1CeOkMxVm

djh, Friday, 11 August 2023 16:53 (eight months ago) link

I felt strangely enthused about this last night - just glad to see those bands being documented together - without ever having a need to buy the album (as I'd have every track on there that I'd want).

Yeah, would agree with this (while simultaneously being very irritated that Butterfly Child/Joe is not on there).

Ned Raggett, Friday, 11 August 2023 17:07 (eight months ago) link

Surprised that O'Rang are not on that comp as well, or Long Fin Killie for that matter. Would have been nice if it went all in on the mid-90's era post-rock stuff.

henry s, Friday, 11 August 2023 17:10 (eight months ago) link

Then again, licensing etc. Probably good (and mundane) reasons why the obvious artists aren't repped. (See also: MBV/When You're Awake You're Still in a Dream.)

henry s, Friday, 11 August 2023 17:12 (eight months ago) link

x-posts. Butterfly Child seems an omission and there might be a practical reason for it (or the compiler might just not have liked). But, regardless, it's a better version of those years than any other compilation trying to recall the UK nineties, I'd reckon.

djh, Friday, 11 August 2023 19:58 (eight months ago) link

Casts a wider net and obviously lacks some of the key UK bands but this is still the benchmark comp of the first wave postrock era imo:

https://www.discogs.com/release/178563-Various-Monsters-Robots-And-Bug-Men-A-Users-Guide-To-The-Rock-Hinterland

NickB, Friday, 11 August 2023 20:19 (eight months ago) link

Virgin Ambient was on a roll there, for a while.

henry s, Friday, 11 August 2023 20:38 (eight months ago) link

Yes, great compilation but with a slightly different perspective. Have in my head that Simon Hopkins was behind some awesome compilations.

djh, Friday, 11 August 2023 20:43 (eight months ago) link

Yes, and Kodwo Eshun did the amazing Routes From The Jungle comp which I believe was part of the Ambient series.

henry s, Friday, 11 August 2023 20:46 (eight months ago) link

think Kevin Martin did the Monsters one. David Toop was behind lots of the others

NickB, Friday, 11 August 2023 20:48 (eight months ago) link

oh no you're quite right, was Hopkins my apologies!

NickB, Friday, 11 August 2023 20:58 (eight months ago) link

Tangentally related, I'd check out the two Southeast Of Saturn comps too.

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 12 August 2023 02:35 (eight months ago) link

Yes! Will stan for Majesty Crush all the livelong day.

henry s, Saturday, 12 August 2023 04:08 (eight months ago) link

three months pass...

Random Monday night thought: did "In The Light of Time" get much coverage and/or prompt any interesting writing/interviews?

djh, Monday, 13 November 2023 23:24 (five months ago) link

Nothing seen on any of the stops that I frequented since it was released. Maybe it's not yet the right moment for a UK post-rock / lost generation resurgence? Despite the stupidly accelerated culture in the West, some music just needs time to get properly lost before it can be rediscovered.

Just checked and yeah, it's been less than 15 years since Biggie Samuels did those excellent "Post-Rocktoberfest" compilations on his Bubblegumcage blog.

sawdust lagoon, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 19:46 (five months ago) link

somewhat tangential but … the distance between the quality of the music and quality of album title with “code name: dustsucker” remains astonishing

Vapor waif (uptown churl), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 13:08 (five months ago) link

two months pass...

30th anniversary of Hex, apparently.

djh, Wednesday, 14 February 2024 19:16 (two months ago) link

Hell of an album still.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 14 February 2024 19:23 (two months ago) link

Absolutely.

djh, Wednesday, 14 February 2024 19:29 (two months ago) link

A massive album. And Dustsucker will turn 20 in July of this year. Still holding on for one more BP album but yeah, so much time has passed

sawdust lagoon, Wednesday, 14 February 2024 20:22 (two months ago) link

The Boymerang album turned 25 a couple years back, with little to no fanfare.

henry s, Wednesday, 14 February 2024 22:48 (two months ago) link


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