Thinkin' the Blues

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So can almost any kind of music give you a heartache if you listen to it wrong?

the pinefox, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one month passes...
It seems to me that alot of people tend to pidgeon- hole blues music. There are really so many "types" of Blues. Lets see; Delta Blues, Piedmont Blues, Jump Blues, Texas Blues, Chicago blues, Memphis Blues, Country blues(a very broad category in itself),Electric Blues,"Lady" Blues, Blues Rock, British Blues, Jug & skiffle bands also were very blues based. While I think we could all agree that Blues "grew" out of the primarly Black sections of the rural south. It goes back much further to such things as slave Field hollers, the Griots Of Mali(singing & chanting with some type of stringed insrtument), and tribal Rhythms. It really has come so far in so many directions that a search for the "Real" blues is simply futile. There is lots of great "Blues" music why not just enjoy it all!!

Michael Hungerford, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yes, pinefox, if by 'listen to wrong' you mean 'eat the CD'.

Josh, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one year passes...
Hey: this is ("effectively") a pre-White Stripes thread!

the pinefox, Thursday, 24 April 2003 11:15 (twenty years ago) link

seven years pass...

I've been listening to Mississippi Fred McDowell, Skip James, Junior Kimborough, Elmore James, Junior Wells...this is where you recommend blues records/performers whom you feel deserve more attention. I am quite interested in hearing more electric blues in the style of Kimborough or Fred McDowell's raucous performance of "Shake 'Em On Down".

Flowers By Pete (admrl), Tuesday, 29 June 2010 17:00 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

http://blindman.15.forumer.com/index.php?s=f393a057a6af8f15d475451dc0ba7c0a&showtopic=40232

So this is where blues fans go

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:09 (eleven years ago) link

four years pass...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junior_Wells

Wells may have been born in Memphis, Tennessee,[ 1] and raised in West Memphis, Arkansas (some sources report that he was born in West Memphis).[ 2][ 3] Initially taught by his cousin, Junior Parker, and by Sonny Boy Williamson II, Wells learned to play the harmonica skillfully by the age of seven.

He moved to Chicago in 1948 with his mother, after her divorce, and began sitting in with local musicians at house parties and taverns.[ 4] Wild and rebellious but needing an outlet for his talents, he began performing with the Aces (guitarist brothers Dave and Louis Myers and drummer Fred Below) and developed a modern amplified harmonica style influenced by Little Walter.[ 4] In 1952, he made his first recordings, when he replaced Little Walter in Muddy Waters's band and played on one of Muddy's sessions for Chess Records in 1952.[ 4] His first recordings as a bandleader were made in the following year for States Records.[ 5] In the late 1950s and early 1960s, he recorded singles for Chief Records and its subsidiary, Profile Records, including "Messin' with the Kid", "Come on in This House", and "It Hurts Me Too", which would remain in his repertoire throughout his career. His 1960 Profile single "Little by Little" (written by Chief owner and producer Mel London) reached number 23 on the Billboard R&B chart, the first of his two singles to enter the chart.[ 6]

Wells's album Hoodoo Man Blues, released in 1965 by Delmark Records, featured Buddy Guy on guitar.[ 4][ 7]

when i was younger i used to be really into interconnections between musicians, bands, etc. who literally had shared working relationships

i'm surprised i never really appreciated how much of this there was among the biggest blues names

j., Tuesday, 6 December 2016 20:26 (seven years ago) link

Impressive.

Here's a collaboration I am curious about. Not big names though--

http://www.clarionledger.com/story/magnolia/entertainment/2016/12/01/barretta-natchez-blues-come-light-collaboration/94695706/

Natchez is one of Mississippi’s cultural treasures, but its rich blues heritage is often overlooked. Evidence of it is plentiful on the recent CD “Natchez Burnin'” (Broke and Hungry Records) by veterans Hezekiah Early and Robert Lee “Lil' Poochie” Watson.

Early and Watson have played together regularly in Natchez over the last decade, but their collaboration goes back to the 1980s, when Watson performed with the Early-led Hezekiah and the Houserockers at festivals in Chicago and Toronto. The duo’s music is refreshingly loose, tackling mostly blues standards in a style true to the sounds of the house parties where both men started their musical careers....

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 00:50 (seven years ago) link

two years pass...

Liking Jimmy Duck Holmes latest album, Cypress Grove. He lives in Mississippi and has his own place , the Blues Front Cafe in Bentonia, Ms.

The album reminds me more of RL Burnside style blues than city of Chicago 12 bar blues

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 20:36 (four years ago) link

two years pass...

Listening to tons of Bob Dylan tracks that draw on old blues produced this thought:

In the history of Blues (or R&B, if you prefer?) there is a major tradition of bawdy, of desiring sexual gratification or lamenting that it's been lost:

"Come here baby, put some sugar in my bowl"
"Ain't got no fur slippers no more"
"Press my button (ring my bell)"

etc.

But what I don't hear, at least in what Dylan revives, is love, or romance. Either it exists in the genre's history, but Dylan doesn't touch it; or it wasn't really part of the genre -- and was rather something that belonged to other genres, like Tin Pan Alley songs.

Maybe it's as if the Blues narrator has to have a certain toughness, to survive, that precludes him saying things like "I loved her so much, my heart is broken and I can't go on without her".

A whole list of "Dirty Blues" can be found here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_blues

the pinefox, Saturday, 5 February 2022 12:53 (two years ago) link

Maybe it's as if the Blues narrator has to have a certain toughness, to survive, that precludes him saying things like "I loved her so much, my heart is broken and I can't go on without her".

Come on:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BkPm8JIJJQ

The sensual shock (Sund4r), Saturday, 5 February 2022 14:29 (two years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rd9IaA_uJI

The sensual shock (Sund4r), Saturday, 5 February 2022 14:30 (two years ago) link

Sure, Sund4r -- happy to be corrected -- I was just creating tentative hypotheses on the basis of what I happen to know.

Would you say, then, that the emotion of romantic love IS prevalent in the blues, compared to other genres?

the pinefox, Saturday, 5 February 2022 15:50 (two years ago) link

From that first song:

When the train come in the station
I looked her in the eye
Well, the train come in the station
And I looked her in the eye
Whoa, I felt so sad so lonesome
That I could not help but cry

When the train left the station
It had two lights on behind
Yeah, when the train left the station
It had two lights on behind
Whoa, the blue light was my baby
And the red light was my mind

Those last lines are good!

Is this the song that the Stones recorded in about 1969?

the pinefox, Saturday, 5 February 2022 15:52 (two years ago) link

Yes, the same, and, yes, songs about romantic loss, heartbreak, and betrayal are so common in the blues as to be a cliché!

The sensual shock (Sund4r), Saturday, 5 February 2022 16:08 (two years ago) link

This is a fantastic proto-rock-n-roll electric rhythm and blues from the mid-40s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzCEOINEjng

The sensual shock (Sund4r), Saturday, 5 February 2022 16:15 (two years ago) link

I agree with pinefox that when Dylan wants to convey romantic loss or longing in his recent work, he tends to pastiche Tin Pan Alley songs; his blues songs tend to be picaresque or apocalyptic scenarios.

Probably someone will come up with a bunch of counter-examples, but with a lot of the blues artists I've been listening to recently, it seems like "consistency of artistic persona" is not the priority it would become in modern music. Like the same singer will do a sad, resigned song about a breakup, and then a song about loading up his shotgun to get revenge on a scornful lover. There are a lot of modern artists who do one or the other, but fewer who would do both.

Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 6 February 2022 00:15 (two years ago) link


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