Wire - 154: Classic or Dud?

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Classic, yup. What's funny is how I got all outraged when it came out, ranting about how it represented the "Pink Floyding of punk"! Now I listen to it and it's just as punk as anything else they ever did (definitely punker than what happened to 'em later).

Speed was cheaper then, of course.

Matt Riedl (veal), Monday, 24 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
Oi.

I just bought a DVD of Wire doing a "154" show from German TV, 1979. They encore with "Pink Flag", though who cares? The stuff they play before that is one of the best shows I've ever seen by a band. Incredibly intense, slightly pretentious at points but still so super amazing. I was kinda dumbfounded after watching it.

There's a selection of 80's clips at the end of the DVD by Wire and their solo side incarnations, but except for the solo stuff it's just horribly dated. Except for "Ahead".

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 4 December 2003 21:42 (twenty years ago) link

Where can I find this?!?!?

Kate Silver (Kate Silver), Thursday, 4 December 2003 21:48 (twenty years ago) link

Maybe I should buy this. I love "The 15th" but don't really not the other material. But I've never heard another Wire song I liked (and I have heard a 90 minute cassette worth, at least--not recent material either).

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 4 December 2003 21:52 (twenty years ago) link

Where can I find this?!?!?

They've got it at Mondo Kim's here in NYC. Along with DVD's of old Factory videos, Blondie clips, Smiths at Versailles --- some great things that all seem to be the handiwork of someone with an awesome video collection who's just compiling onto DVD-R and selling through Kim's. Not entirely legal but -- hey, you know.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 4 December 2003 21:54 (twenty years ago) link

154 is brain-fuckingly excellent and the best Wire thing by a million miles.

DVD sounds great; snarl.

F. Anthony O'Reilly (Ferg), Thursday, 4 December 2003 22:55 (twenty years ago) link

Like the previous two records, it is perfect - only gripe would be the art-school pretention and wrong vocalist in 'The Other Window' - Peel session version of this is better.

Sasha (sgh), Friday, 5 December 2003 01:29 (twenty years ago) link

Classic.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 5 December 2003 05:13 (twenty years ago) link

One of my favourite albums in history. I don't have a vinyl copy, and I can't help but wonder if it always sounded as murky as it does on CD. I don't expect Steely Dan, but still.

Schwingung (Damian), Friday, 5 December 2003 09:19 (twenty years ago) link

Classic, I blast "the 15th" alot. One of my favorite 5 albums in the whole world.

sucka (sucka), Friday, 5 December 2003 11:53 (twenty years ago) link

ISITTOOLATETOCHANGEMYMIND? TOO LATE! TOO LAAATE! TOO LAAAAAAAATE-AAHHH!

Oh fuck, that's on Chairs Missing!

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 5 December 2003 20:38 (twenty years ago) link

Classique!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 5 December 2003 20:39 (twenty years ago) link

Dud. very dud. Except for "The 15th" and "Map Ref."

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:21 (twenty years ago) link

I'm listening to it now, it's classic, certainly better than anything by Good Charlotte or Limp Bizkit.

hstencil, Friday, 5 December 2003 22:23 (twenty years ago) link

fraid not. Though Pink Flag is better than any Limp Bizkit album. Though not as good as Good Charlotte's last.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:26 (twenty years ago) link

I'm waiting for someone to disagree with me and claim the album I don't like is better than anything by the Fall or the Human League. Just for a change.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:29 (twenty years ago) link

I kind of agree with Anthony. I go directly to those two songs. Still, it's a nice record to have on in the background while working (I just put it on, too).

Why the Limp and Good Charlotte comparisons?

Kate Silver (Kate Silver), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:30 (twenty years ago) link

it's better than some albums by the Fall, no question.

hstencil, Friday, 5 December 2003 22:31 (twenty years ago) link

Kate, mentioning those bands is just a joke at Anthony's expense, no harm intended.

hstencil, Friday, 5 December 2003 22:31 (twenty years ago) link

'A Mutual Friend' very gradually lumbers into being an absolutely fantastic song also

F. Anthony O'Reilly (Ferg), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:33 (twenty years ago) link

I just can't stand all the turgid bullshit on 154. Prog for punks, blech.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:34 (twenty years ago) link

beats bad rap for wannabe metalheads, if you ask me.

hstencil, Friday, 5 December 2003 22:35 (twenty years ago) link

154 easily one of the best 100 or so records ever made. Easily.

Broheems (diamond), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:37 (twenty years ago) link

MBV's version of "Map Ref" is better than the original too.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:38 (twenty years ago) link

Mike Watt's version of "the 15th" is possibly more entertaining than the original, at least the first time you hear it. But the original's qualities are more enduring.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:40 (twenty years ago) link

Miccio now I know you are insane.

hstencil, Friday, 5 December 2003 22:41 (twenty years ago) link

i think it's as good as the previous two records

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:44 (twenty years ago) link

I bought the Fischerspooner record for their 15th cover. It's almost too faithful.

Kate Silver (Kate Silver), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:47 (twenty years ago) link

Prog for punks? You say that like it's a bad thing.

Schwingung (Damian), Saturday, 6 December 2003 02:51 (twenty years ago) link

Though not as good as Good Charlotte's last.

You should be slapped across the face with a sandpaper glove for that comment.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 6 December 2003 03:04 (twenty years ago) link

154 is a good counterpart to pere ubu's first.

I was listening to 154 this morning and the lyrics are fantastic.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 6 December 2003 15:06 (twenty years ago) link

Young And The Hopeless > Pink Flag > Modern Dance >>>>>>>>> 154

Cinnimiccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 6 December 2003 16:37 (twenty years ago) link

But Robert Pollard agrees with y'all. And I'm sure Peter Gabriel would like 154 too.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 6 December 2003 16:37 (twenty years ago) link

haha

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 6 December 2003 16:56 (twenty years ago) link

getting the making of this album explained to me by the person who produced it was very cool i must admit!

and yeah i love it

geeta (geeta), Saturday, 6 December 2003 16:58 (twenty years ago) link

You interviewed Mike Thorne, eh? Not that I'm jealous or would like to read a complete transcription or anything.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 December 2003 17:12 (twenty years ago) link

should albums really need "explanations"?

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 6 December 2003 17:14 (twenty years ago) link

ts: the radio vs. algebra

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 6 December 2003 17:14 (twenty years ago) link

anyway, i agree with micco's asessment of 154. chairs missing is still the best.

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 6 December 2003 17:15 (twenty years ago) link

yes -- it's called doing interviews, jess! you're gonna have to do some of those soon!

geeta (geeta), Saturday, 6 December 2003 17:20 (twenty years ago) link

i am? you know this how?

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 6 December 2003 17:24 (twenty years ago) link

insight i've taken from reviews and essays >>>>>>>>>>>> insight i've taken from interviews

cinno blountington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 6 December 2003 17:27 (twenty years ago) link

Without interviews I'd never have known people were taking their music to the next level. I do like interviews where the artist talks about gossip, their past their opinions about stuff other then their own music.

Hey Jess, why do ya think that Chairs Missing is better than Pink Flag?

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 6 December 2003 17:58 (twenty years ago) link

Is it sort of a Fear Of Black Planet > It Takes A Nation Of Millions kind of thing?

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 6 December 2003 17:59 (twenty years ago) link

i think it's interesting to hear how an album was created.

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 6 December 2003 18:01 (twenty years ago) link

and yes, it's difficult to keep track of the newest level if you don't conduct interviews. there's always another level.

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 6 December 2003 18:01 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, the story of how songs are made are definitely interesting.

That said Ned's post way back when is the only one of these that actually says why 154 is so damn loved. Can someone tell me what exactly I'm supposed to be enjoying on that thing (aside from the pre-Pixies prettiness of "the 15th" and "Map Ref" actually having a hook).

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 6 December 2003 18:06 (twenty years ago) link

i think chairs missing is better than pink flag because i like new wave better than punk. i think they're both better than 154 because i like punk and new wave better than prog. these are all porous definitions obviously.

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 6 December 2003 18:09 (twenty years ago) link

not too porous because i dont want amateurist to have another chuck eddy-inspired freak out.

all that said, "map ref" is still probably in my top 10 favorite songs of all time.

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 6 December 2003 18:10 (twenty years ago) link

Freak! Out!

prog must have mellotron. does 154 have mellotron? the world awaits the answer...

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 6 December 2003 18:11 (twenty years ago) link

Going to see these guys in March!

With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Friday, 24 January 2020 03:05 (four years ago) link

Toying with seeing them again. Current version of band were good live a few years back

curmudgeon, Friday, 24 January 2020 19:58 (four years ago) link

they're not coming to SF this time :(

lukas, Friday, 24 January 2020 20:11 (four years ago) link

I listened to the entire album today and can't remember a single thing about it except one of them yelling OKLAHOMA really loud

opden gnash (imago), Friday, 24 January 2020 20:12 (four years ago) link

They still play only new songs?
If so👎

nostormo, Friday, 24 January 2020 20:47 (four years ago) link

I think I'd rather see them only play new songs. Not that I'm likely to go out of my way to see them.

Frozen Mug (Tom D.), Friday, 24 January 2020 20:54 (four years ago) link

I want to see them play material from Read & Burn 1-3 and Send

opden gnash (imago), Friday, 24 January 2020 21:00 (four years ago) link

They mix it up live but tend to focus on the last few albums.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 24 January 2020 21:28 (four years ago) link

they're not coming to SF this time :(

Oh damnit, I was out of town last time they performed and it was at the closest venue to wear I live too.

octobeard, Friday, 24 January 2020 21:47 (four years ago) link

Yeah, they've been reasonably normal about the old songs in recent years. You won't get dot dash, but.

Mark G, Friday, 24 January 2020 22:50 (four years ago) link

opden gnash (imago) at 3:00 24 Jan 20

I want to see them play material from Read & Burn 1-3 and Send


saw em in that era and that's pretty much all they did!

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 24 January 2020 23:39 (four years ago) link

it must have ruled!

opden gnash (imago), Saturday, 25 January 2020 00:35 (four years ago) link

Ha, tbh, I bought a ticket because they're basically playing next door but hadn't checked recent setlists. I just sort of assumed I'd get to see "Map Ref..."

With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Saturday, 25 January 2020 01:31 (four years ago) link

I saw them on the tour for Change Becomes Us. Of course that album was largely reworked from Document and Eyewitness era. My notes say they did these:

Marooned
Drill
Doubles and Trebles (formerly “Ally in Exile”)
Adore Your Island
Re-Invent Your Second Wheel
Stealth of a Stork
B/W Silence
Magic Bullet
Love Bends (formerly “Keep Strumming Those Guitars”)
As We Go
Attractive Space
The Flying Dutchman
Blogging for Jesus
Map Ref.
Smash
Comet
Two People in a Room
Spent
Pink Flag

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Saturday, 25 January 2020 02:15 (four years ago) link

OK, looks like "Two People in a Room" is on recent setlists anyway.

With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Saturday, 25 January 2020 02:29 (four years ago) link

makes sense, as it is...

ONE OF THE GREATEST SONGS OF ALL TIME

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Saturday, 25 January 2020 02:59 (four years ago) link

Yeah, they've been reasonably normal about the old songs in recent years. You won't get dot dash, but.

― Mark G, Friday, January 24, 2020 10:50 PM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

... But it seems you might get "Outdoor Miner"!!

Mark G, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 20:22 (four years ago) link

Noted

one charm and one antiup quark (outdoor_miner), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 23:51 (four years ago) link

two years pass...

Wire
Not About To Die
pinkflag
24 June 2022

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Wire are pleased to announce the first ever official release of Not About To Dieout June 24th via pinkflag (pre-order). Along with the announcement they have shared track “Stepping Off Too Quick” and an accompanying video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4OKaijZUpA

The original Not About To Die was an illegal bootleg, released at some point in the early 80s by the dubiously named Amnesia Records. The album was made up of selections from demos recorded by the group for their second and third albums: Chairs Missing and 154. These demos had been recorded for EMI, with cassette copies circulated amongst record company employees. However, they were never intended for release.

A typically shoddy cash-in, the songs on Not About To Die were taken from a second or possibly third generation cassette, with the album housed in a grainy green and red photo-copied sleeve. Compared with the high standards of production and design Wire have always been known for, it was something of an insult to band and fans alike.

Now, in a classic act of Wire perversity, the group have decided to redress the balance and reclaim one of the shadier moments of its history, by giving Not About To Die its first official release. All the tracks have been properly remastered, with the relevant recording details in place. As for the sleeve artwork, whilst it strongly references the original, it is decidedly more artful in its execution.

Having received proper care and attention, Not About To Die emerges as a fascinating snapshot of Wire in transition. Herein are embryonic versions of classic songs such as "French Film (Blurred)," "Used To" and "Being Sucked In Again," that the group would develop considerably for their epochal 1978 album Chairs Missing. Later demos such as "Once Is Enough," "On Returning" and "Two People In A Room" would surface in radically altered form on 1979’s 154.

Some songs, such as ‘The Other Window," are virtually unrecognisable from their later iterations. But the biggest prizes here may well be the numerous tracks that were destined to be omitted from Wire's later studio albums... Highlights include "Motive," which, whilst obviously still in an embryonic state, has an undeniable power. Robert Grey’s drumming is crisp and minimal, and Graham Lewis’s bass runs are particularly ear-catching. Despite its distinctly un-Wire title, "Love Ain't Polite" is also something of a gem. Bruce Gilbert’s guitar is razor sharp and Colin Newman’s vocal is especially strong, with his delivery of the ‘bah-ba- bah-ba’s’ providing an irresistible energy and charm.

Meanwhile, the track which gives the album its title Not About To Die, officially known as “Stepping Off Too Quick” and shared online for the first time today, is alive with confident energy, and possesses what Newman half jokingly calls “The best intro to any song ever." The intro is so good in fact, that it takes up a third of the song’s entire time frame.

These properly mastered tracks have never been available on vinyl before, and they provide an opportunity to hear Wire at a point in their development when they were bursting with fresh ideas and a will to communicate them. This is post-punk at its very finest.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 13 May 2022 20:31 (one year ago) link

Aren't most of those tracks on "Behind the Curtain"?

Doodles Diamond (Tom D.), Friday, 13 May 2022 20:44 (one year ago) link

Well yes, but why not just reissue Behind the Curtain, which was an EMI release even if it felt like a bootleg? Is the idea here to reissue the demos without the embarrassingly crude first third, like Mary is a Dyke and After Midnight?

mig (guess that dreams always end), Friday, 13 May 2022 20:46 (one year ago) link

Ah, "never before on vinyl"... got it.

mig (guess that dreams always end), Friday, 13 May 2022 20:47 (one year ago) link

According to Discogs:

Culture Vultures
French Film (Blurred)
Indirect Inquiries
Used To
Being Sucked In Again
I Should Have Known Better
The Other Window
On Returning

"...have never been officially released; the remaining tracks appear on the 1995 CD Behind The Curtain (Early Versions 1977 & 1978)."

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 13 May 2022 23:08 (one year ago) link

Didn't all of these tracks come out with the 2018 3CD expanded editions?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 13 May 2022 23:52 (one year ago) link

Yes.

Anyway, my copy has just arrived, so..

Mark G, Saturday, 14 May 2022 13:41 (one year ago) link

A guy's gotta make a living. Colin Newman, that is.

Doodles Diamond (Tom D.), Saturday, 14 May 2022 14:40 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

the best fucking album ever made!!!!

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 11 July 2022 12:32 (one year ago) link

yes. yes!!

imago, Monday, 11 July 2022 12:48 (one year ago) link

I feel like all the criticisms of this album are like "oh it's so silly and OTT and comically doomy".

But that is what I love about it??

Tim F, Monday, 11 July 2022 13:22 (one year ago) link

a touching display, you might conclude

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 July 2022 13:28 (one year ago) link

You'd be very wrong if you did though.

Eavis Has Left the Building (Tom D.), Monday, 11 July 2022 14:06 (one year ago) link

My favorite album. (Thanks, Fischerspooner.)

death generator (lukas), Monday, 11 July 2022 16:48 (one year ago) link

Am I the only one who prefers Colin Newman's A - Z? I don't object to "silly and OTT and comically doomy" in general but the tracks led by Lewis and Gilbert just aren't as interesting melodically, harmonically, or vocally (though they are very interesting conceptually and lyrically).

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 11 July 2022 16:57 (one year ago) link

(and texturally)

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 11 July 2022 16:58 (one year ago) link

Ever tried "In Esse" ?

(Makes Metal Machine Music sound tuneful. I sort of like it, but)

Mark G, Monday, 11 July 2022 17:17 (one year ago) link

I've heard all four Dome albums, and collectively they equal about one fine record plus a lot of mildly interesting experiments.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 11 July 2022 17:30 (one year ago) link


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