Scott Walker. (RIP March 2019)

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yeah, I think I yelped too.

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 18 September 2003 04:27 (twenty years ago) link

wow! what a treasure... i actually just bought my first Scott album (1) two weeks ago and like it a lot. i'm curious to find out what the material from this website sounds like. he actually had a tv-show?

willem (willem), Thursday, 18 September 2003 06:01 (twenty years ago) link

I'd recommend downloading "Country Girl" first. It'd fit real nicely on "Scott 3."

Oh man, I love that song - apparently it's based on Wordsworth or some such geezer

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 18 September 2003 10:39 (twenty years ago) link

According to Mojo, a Scott Walker box-set entitled "5 Easy Pieces" will be released in November and it's been compiled by Scott himself, with each disc representing a different aspect of his work (film work, avant garde, etc.). It will include some Walker Brothers tracks, although there's no mention of unreleased material.

Susan (Susan), Thursday, 18 September 2003 13:30 (twenty years ago) link

he actually had a tv-show?

You better believe it boy - primetime BBC1, Saturday evening(?), 1969(?), much the same set up as similar shows presented by Cilla Black, Dusty Springfield, Lulu though i don't believe any of those ladies ever sang "My Death".

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 18 September 2003 13:46 (twenty years ago) link

Retort pouch, I kiss you!

I wish I was at home right now so I could download it all right away.

Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 18 September 2003 18:25 (twenty years ago) link

I was about to say, I kept checking this thread thinking, "No Nicolars post yet? THE WORLD MADE SENSE AN HOUR AGO."

Bookmarked it yesterday, I might do some downloading over the weekend but only after I clear everything up on my computer some.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 September 2003 19:55 (twenty years ago) link

*splutter* There's more! Three tracks recorded circa 67/8! Never ever released!

1. Free Again
2. I Get Along Without You Very Well
3. I Think I'm Getting Over You

http://mapage.noos.fr/ckt02/rare.zip

retort pouch (retort pouch), Friday, 19 September 2003 02:24 (twenty years ago) link

wow.

RJG (RJG), Friday, 19 September 2003 02:34 (twenty years ago) link

fuck this low speed connection fuck fuck

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 19 September 2003 04:32 (twenty years ago) link

Fucking Maria Bethania!!

Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 19 September 2003 05:25 (twenty years ago) link

Me am upset. Links no work for me. Anyone else own a mac and having similar probs?

Jamie Conway (Jamie Conway), Friday, 19 September 2003 05:26 (twenty years ago) link

I was able to download that new Zip link mentioned up above just fine...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 September 2003 05:28 (twenty years ago) link

Working now. Must have been overloaded. Thanks. Here we go!

Jamie Conway (Jamie Conway), Friday, 19 September 2003 05:46 (twenty years ago) link

I was able to get them all fine on my mac. the website took a few tries to load, but it worked. Yeah, Maria Bethania is a great song.

A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 19 September 2003 06:05 (twenty years ago) link

note to retort pouch: i'll post the track listings for the box set on my blog this weekend.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 19 September 2003 08:16 (twenty years ago) link

Best thread ever.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 19 September 2003 08:51 (twenty years ago) link

haha, a cover of bobby conn's 'maria b'!

RJG (RJG), Friday, 19 September 2003 11:46 (twenty years ago) link

would anyone be willing to burn these on a cd (or cds) for me?

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 19 September 2003 14:48 (twenty years ago) link

I'd be glad to, amateurist. Just email me your address.

Marcello - thanks, looking forward to that.

retort pouch (retort pouch), Friday, 19 September 2003 16:32 (twenty years ago) link

Oh oh, how about me? (Maybe one of the Glas ilxors w. broadband?)

David. (Cozen), Friday, 19 September 2003 17:28 (twenty years ago) link

sometime.

RJG (RJG), Friday, 19 September 2003 17:42 (twenty years ago) link

haha, a cover of bobby conn's 'maria b'!

RJG, I don't know if you're kidding or not, but if you haven't heard the original version of "Maria Bethania" by Caetano Veloso, you should really really download it. I love it to death. Walker's version is good, but disappointingly faithful to the original.

Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 19 September 2003 17:47 (twenty years ago) link

is anyone here in the uk or france? i'll be in france and wouldn't want someone in the usa (or myself) to pay the heavy shipping across the sea.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 19 September 2003 21:35 (twenty years ago) link

aside: I think Bobby Conn's version of "Maria Bethania" is one of the worst covers I've ever heard, ever. And I like Bobby Conn, so go figure.

hstencil, Friday, 19 September 2003 21:41 (twenty years ago) link

Anyone who's interested should check out the Scott Walker group in Yahooo. Cedric, who's site y'all are raving about, posts regularly.

Libby, Monday, 22 September 2003 02:16 (twenty years ago) link

In my previous posting, beware the errant apostrophe! A thousand apologies.

Libby

libby, Monday, 22 September 2003 03:58 (twenty years ago) link

its' ok

amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 22 September 2003 05:04 (twenty years ago) link

sometime?

David. (Cozen), Monday, 22 September 2003 17:48 (twenty years ago) link

does anyone happen to know on which label 5 Easy Pieces will be released?

scott pl. (scott pl.), Thursday, 25 September 2003 05:18 (twenty years ago) link

According to musica.co.uk, it's released on Universal :
http://www.musica.co.uk/musica/screen__PRODUCT/shop__MUS/affiliate__INTGOOGLE/category__PP685964.htm

Cedric, Friday, 3 October 2003 06:16 (twenty years ago) link

And now MP3 the site is down. Before I get to download anything. Sob.

harveyw (harveyw), Friday, 3 October 2003 08:27 (twenty years ago) link

i was never able to access it! sob indeed.

there's something off about the idea of a scott box set. how does one excerpt "tilt" anyhow?

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 3 October 2003 09:26 (twenty years ago) link

Agreed about the box set. Anyone have any thoughts about this:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scottwalker/message/162

If it's real, it sounds more interesting than the box set!

proggist, Friday, 3 October 2003 10:04 (twenty years ago) link

i was never able to access it! sob indeed.

Amateurist, I'd still be delighted to burn discs for you and propel them across the ocean. Just send me your address.

Anyway, it seems the MP3 downloads are down, "temporarily" but they have been replaced by a video clip from Scott's TV show which is well worth watching. HAHA look at his hair.

retort pouch (retort pouch), Saturday, 4 October 2003 01:39 (twenty years ago) link

His hair is fab! I wish I could look just like that every day.

Sean (Sean), Saturday, 4 October 2003 01:50 (twenty years ago) link

Sean I agree, my HAHA was a HAHA of pure delight.

retort pouch (retort pouch), Saturday, 4 October 2003 01:59 (twenty years ago) link

Whoa, I didn't see that post by Cedric further up the page. Cedric, many thanks for hosting those MP3s - I've been looking for those songs for YEARS. I hope your bandwidth wasn't raped too badly. If you've been hit with a crushingly huge bill from your ISP, please let me know.

retort pouch (retort pouch), Saturday, 4 October 2003 02:42 (twenty years ago) link

Hi all,

The albums are back for download.
I made a single ZIP file for each album.
Each ZIP file is protected by a password.
All I ask of you is to send me an e-mail in order to get the Password for the Zip file, and not telling it. I promise fast replies !
It's the only way I found to keep an eye on the downloads without losing control...
I am glad you can all get the tracks.
Regards
Cedric

http://www.ckthual.net/scott

PS/ Regarding the video : I wish I had the same hair every morning... ;o)

Cedric, Monday, 6 October 2003 10:55 (twenty years ago) link

here is what appears to be a tracklisting for the forthcoming box.

dan (dan), Monday, 6 October 2003 20:08 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.spincds.com/walker.html

try again

dan (dan), Monday, 6 October 2003 20:10 (twenty years ago) link

Just look at that tracklist...with the late '70s Walker Brothers stuff, "Only Myself To Blame" and "I Threw It All Away" from the recent soundtracks...the money's already set.

Erick H (Erick H), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 18:42 (twenty years ago) link

box sets seem like their own imperatives now.... there's no need for this to exist, unless it's really some spontaneous desire on scott's part to revisit and reinterpret his past music (why do i doubt it?)....

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 20:46 (twenty years ago) link

Hi all, just to notice a few change about my download section,
you can access it through www.ckthual.net, click on the music section, then scott walker.
For the first 3 albums, You need a password you'll get by writing me a mail.
I deleted the Scott Walker TV series 1 & 2, and replaced it by a single album : I made a new mix with only the Scott Walker tracks. You may already know that the quality is rather poor and that these are historical recordings.
Regards

Cedric, Thursday, 9 October 2003 15:50 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Thoughts on which are the best of these? It seems that they all have some really fine moments...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 24 October 2003 17:05 (twenty years ago) link

four months pass...
Scott Sings Songs From His TV Series is the one to get as far as I'm concerned. They're all great, but '...TV Series' is pretty much unbeatable.

retort pouch (retort pouch), Friday, 27 February 2004 04:53 (twenty years ago) link

four months pass...
hot damn "thanks for chicago mr. james" is the hottest pop picaresque in the world

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 05:02 (nineteen years ago) link

egads!

Review by Dave Thompson
The 1990s' rediscovery of Scott Walker, hitherto the Pop Star That Time Forgot, was one of the most gratifying events of the mid 1990s. No man blessed with a voice like that, taste like that, talent like that, should ever have been consigned to the creaky oblivion of oldies radio. But one needs to tread carefully when plunging into the cult. Even at his best, and particularly at his most recent, Walker can be an excruciatingly difficult taste to acquire. Move into the early 1970s mid-point of his output, and oftentimes, it's simply excruciating.


Never regarded among Scott Walker's finest efforts, and a resounding flop when it first appeared in 1971, Til The Band Comes In is, retrospectively, the most shocking of all the singer's early albums. His first four, after all, are dramatic slabs of MOR-noir, crucial experiences for anybody anxious to discover Brel, Bergman and a taste for truly surreal pop tones; by their standards alone, surely album #5 should have traveled even further astray?


It doesn't. Two tracks culled for the It's Raining Today compilation, "Thanks For Chicago Mr James" and "Joe," are this album's sole concessions to such matters as reputation. A year earlier, the BBC gave Walker his own TV series, with the assurance that he would concentrate his tonsils on ballads and standards. He fulfilled the brief admirably, and released a soundtrack album to prove it. Unfortunately, Til The Band Comes In suggests he never got the sacharine out of his system. He even brings TV guest Esther O'Farim back into the action, but morbid curiosity and an incomprehensible fondness for "Cinderella Rockefeller" are surely the only reasons anyone could want to check out her solo contribution to the set.


There is a reasonable rendering of Roy Orbison's "It's Over," aptly closing the album on a merciful note, but while Walker's first four albums remain essential listening, and the TV LP at least has its moments, 'Til The Band Comes In is best left waiting at the stage door. Some "lost classics" were lost with good reason.


amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 22 July 2004 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link

"long about now" is a really interesting song, and indeed the entire first side of this record is utterly masterful.

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 22 July 2004 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...
I deleted the Scott Walker TV series 1 & 2,

does anyone have track listings for these???

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 18 January 2007 07:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually I'm listening to it right now and am actually enjoying the covers - in a library music kind of way - more than most of the original Scott stuff. Stormy has got some good bass going on!

Zelda Zonk, Friday, 29 March 2019 12:38 (five years ago) link

“Joe” should have been included on the boy child comp.

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Friday, 29 March 2019 12:51 (five years ago) link

I finally heard Stretch and We Had It All yesterday. I do not come to defend the latter - the put-on southern accent he uses on several of the country numbers is abhorrent. Stretch has some nice bits (Moviegoer is leagues better)

I feel like I wanna hear Any Day Now because I noticed Peter Knight does the orchestrations on that one

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Friday, 29 March 2019 12:58 (five years ago) link

Yeah I don't think Stretch is irredeemable by any means. It's been a long time since I heard Any Day Now but iirc it's nice in places although the version of Ain't No Sunshine is not much cop at all.

Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Friday, 29 March 2019 13:29 (five years ago) link

I agree, I think Til The Band Comes In represents a pretty dramatic drop in quality. I love pretty much everything on Scott 3 + 4, but Til The Band Comes In is really all over the place, and I think the only things I really love are Little Things and The War Is Over. That whole smooth jazz aesthetic must have sounded pretty out of step in 1970!

"Long About Now", "Time Operator", "Joe", "Thanks For Chicago, Mr. James", title track all awesome btw.

Don't Go Back to Brockville (Tom D.), Friday, 29 March 2019 13:42 (five years ago) link

Quite like the smooth jazz songs on TTBCI

frame casual (dog latin), Friday, 29 March 2019 14:01 (five years ago) link

"Long About Now", "Time Operator", "Joe", "Thanks For Chicago, Mr. James", title track all awesome btw.

― Don't Go Back to Brockville (Tom D.), Friday, March 29, 2019 6:42 AM (twenty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Friday, 29 March 2019 14:08 (five years ago) link

“Joe” should have been included on the boy child comp.

yeah, this has been my favorite scott song for the last few years. one of the most devastating songs about aging and death, elevated and amplified by the major-key lounge-jazz sonics

J. Sam, Friday, 29 March 2019 15:52 (five years ago) link

"Jean The Machine" is George Bleedin' Melly, though. Title track slightly spoiled by the backing vocals I think.

Minor gripes. And it's not comparable to later Tom & Jerry ("where they could talk"), never mind what Jarvis says ;)

On the subject of devastating... listening to "Rosemary" and "On Your Own Again" on my commute probably not a smart move. I'd actually forgotten about the killer codas to each of those.

Michael Jones, Friday, 29 March 2019 16:50 (five years ago) link

Oddly enough, 'Til the Band Comes In was the first Scott I listened to after his passing. It veers between adventurousness and biding time ("Time Operator," natch), and is very cinematic — moreso really than The Moviegoer in its feel, a bit like a trailer compilation of curios from the era. The overlapping orchestra tracks on the title song convey "one man's descent into madness": spinning camera, multiple exposures. I'm not sure if I'd say that movie looks like great art; it feels maybe a little pretentious (Scott is quoted describing his work this way in the liners for, what, Scott 2?), but it looks cool and I'd check it out anyway. The album also feels special for having been a little harder to acquire than the albums that preceded it (I didn't get ahold of a copy until a 2007 Japanese reissue). Major cult appeal!

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Friday, 29 March 2019 19:07 (five years ago) link

"dealer" is one of his very best songs, and "track three" is a banger

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Sunday, 31 March 2019 19:27 (five years ago) link

it's like the most cracked idea of a popular rock song

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Sunday, 31 March 2019 19:28 (five years ago) link

What time of the year did Scott Walker go to that farmhouse to write material for "Climate of Hunter"? I’m wondering if the title of that album can be interpreted as a reference to the constellation of Orion. His experiences in the farmhouse surely left their mark on the album’s lyrics; it’s hard not to connect "Rawhide" with, as he mentioned in an interview, his seeing herds of cows grazing while there.

Melomane, Sunday, 31 March 2019 20:07 (five years ago) link

well that was an ill-advised and overemotional full discography listen i did yesterday, but i came away thinking the drift is his masterwork (and he made several albums that qualify). surprised me a little, i sort of expected to love tilt or climate the most at this point but... even though it's slow-hatching nightmare, the drift is surprisingly, perversely catchy? most of the songs lingered in my head from when i spent a lot of time with it in college

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 1 April 2019 13:01 (five years ago) link

\They really do have their own little characters despite all living in the same world. Some days I'm into the more melodic, strangely beautiful elements of Tilt; the brute-force dynamic terror of Drift; or the dark scat humour of Bish Bosch. I've also reassessed Soused lately and while it's certainly not his best sonically, his lyrics come into their own on that one.

frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 1 April 2019 13:32 (five years ago) link

scott was also one of the best lyricists to ever do it, i feel like that is often lost in recapitulations of his weirdness and daring

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 1 April 2019 15:49 (five years ago) link

Brad thoroughly otm as usual

A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Monday, 1 April 2019 15:52 (five years ago) link

I haven’t fully revisited it yet but will put in a mention for Ian Penman’s wonderful and long (~70pp!) essay “a dandy in aspic” in rob Young’s book, it makes a case for those middle years: the moviegoer and songs from his tv show and that. Penman touches on stuff mentioned upthread eg that the originals in til the band comes in go well into the second side, and posits that the reason the received wisdom “SIDE 2 IS ALL BAD!!” was allowed to ossify is that for a long time it was difficult to actually get ahold of the album to check - not to be too on brand but maybe cf twin peaks “SEASON 2 IS ALL BAD!!”

A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Monday, 1 April 2019 16:10 (five years ago) link

it's some way the best piece in the book i think

mark s, Monday, 1 April 2019 16:24 (five years ago) link

For sure although I like the David Toop interview where (iirc and I may be thinking of a different one) he asks walker about the significance of kabbalistic references in the drift (serifot and kellipot) and Walker has no memory of even coming across the words before, let alone what he meant by their deployment!

A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Monday, 1 April 2019 16:35 (five years ago) link

I think he said recently one of his songwriting strategies just involved going to an acquaintance’s vast personal library and reading and picking out words

A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Monday, 1 April 2019 16:36 (five years ago) link

checked out a preview on google and think i'm gonna buy the ebook of the rob young collection. penman otm that til the band comes in is three quarters brilliant one quarter ok. "war is over" is scott 3 quality

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 1 April 2019 17:21 (five years ago) link

I actually like almost all of the songs that fill out side 2, it's just that this record HAS to end with "The War is Over", going from that to "Stormy" etc is just too weird and jarring. Same with Scott 3 though I love those three Brel tunes. Both LPs have a resoundingly clear natural ending point at which they do not end.

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Monday, 1 April 2019 17:26 (five years ago) link

i'd like to argue against conventional wisdom here and suggest the three brel tunes are actually the best possible way to end scott 3, the album entering this arch wormhole at the end ("sons of" both creepy and beautiful! "funeral tango" a complete delight and less jarring in the sequence than "we came through" imo) and closes with the most beautiful "ne me quitte pas," can't argue with it ("two weeks since you've gone" would've been a weaker closer)

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 1 April 2019 17:34 (five years ago) link

No way, "Two Weeks Since You've Gone" is gorgeous and heartbreaking and "If You Go Away" is his worst Brel cover by a country mile.

Angry Question Time Man's Flute Club Band (Tom D.), Monday, 1 April 2019 17:39 (five years ago) link

"Have you written enough songs for the album yet?" "Er, almost".

Angry Question Time Man's Flute Club Band (Tom D.), Monday, 1 April 2019 17:41 (five years ago) link

"If You Go Away" is his worst Brel cover by a country mile.

― Angry Question Time Man's Flute Club Band (Tom D.), Monday, April 1, 2019 10:39 AM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

idk how you arrived at this opinion but it does not reflect my experience at all

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 1 April 2019 17:50 (five years ago) link

You're NEXT!

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 1 April 2019 18:04 (five years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0LmWUUVvUM

had never heard this drift-era track (from a 4ad comp called plague songs) until now, it rules

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 1 April 2019 19:27 (five years ago) link

Oh yeah, also has a classic Scott footnote/gloss iirc

A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Monday, 1 April 2019 19:42 (five years ago) link

(Contrary to the idea many have of his later career he often took pains to clarify what certain songs were about!)

A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Monday, 1 April 2019 19:44 (five years ago) link

Brad otm about the Brel covers at the end of Scott 3

Man I wish "We Came Through" was just not on that album though!

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 1 April 2019 20:47 (five years ago) link

Wonderful Amazon review for Rob Young's book here. Yikes!

James J. Omeara
5.0 out of 5 starsThe Implicitly White Genius of Scott Walker
February 17, 2014
Format: Hardcover
Even if my review at the Counter-Currents blog hasn't convinced you that Scott Walker is the ultimate White musician and worthy of your attention for that reason alone, this book will appeal to anyone with an interest in the mechanics of the post-war pop music industry or just some damned fine cultural writing. It’s really quite exciting to see such implicitly White music, both avant garde and MOR, receiving serious critical attention. White Nationalists should be heartened by it, and should encourage this unexpected entry point into the mainstream by purchasing multiple copies for family and friends!
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Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 1 April 2019 20:53 (five years ago) link

the jarvis interview from 2017 is awesome for a lot of reasons but i especially liked when walker talked about how much he loved jazz. no one tell james j. omeara

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 19:42 (five years ago) link

it's almost funny how much effort a human being will put into being racist these days

cheese canopy (map), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 19:46 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0004d8x

Freak Zone tribute show, includes bits of interview where he just sounds charming and funny.

koogs, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 13:35 (five years ago) link


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