(Attn Australians) Interesting Article: The Trouble with Triple J

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except they don't have sunday afternoon at the movies! they don't have anything waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out in left field do they???

gaz (gaz), Friday, 31 October 2003 11:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

fbi, gaz?

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Friday, 31 October 2003 11:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

yeah. and aren't you supposed to be at a gig?

gaz (gaz), Friday, 31 October 2003 11:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

It's a sad story matey. See chickenpox thread on ILE. We had to cancel. She caught it off my little girl - she thought she'd had it as a kid, but that turned out to be measles. Right now we should both be in the club, nervously sipping water, me checking the gear neurotically every 5 mins thru headphones. Instead I'm about to crawl into bed with her too. Such a shame, we were both looking forward to it. I think she's over the worst, we'll see.

fbi - maybe not as extreme, you could be right. There is the odd free range montage program late at night, a bit like 2mbs midnight-to-dawn. You have to pick your moment. I've heard an impressively broad range of music on some of the weekend programs - even tonight, I heard a full hour of aussie hiphop, funnily enough. That's something.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Friday, 31 October 2003 11:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

:-(
i think the boy has the pox too.

but would fbi broadcast a live to air as crap, er i mean radical as the one you'n'i were involved in? me on one finger "these-these-these-th-th-th-these times" sample played on equipment blagged from you?

gaz (gaz), Friday, 31 October 2003 12:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

colin-

> jwd, comparing your post to old man gaz's, do you find that you
> harken back to the days of your youth when it comes to radio?

perhaps, it could be that your youth is the period of growth in which you're the most susceptible to being vaguely impressed by something like a radio station. i don't know if i'd call early 90s JJJ the 'golden days' or halcyon days of radio per se, just of (the) JJ/J (that i had the chance to listen to, given i only started listening when i was 11/12, at school in sydney). but in any case, JJJ did seem slightly on the pulse of something interesting during the time i was listening: certainly was hearing a lot of sonic youth, butthole surfers, mbv, etc and that was a good solid education. there was a lot of dross as well.

mind you i have absolutely no nostalgia whatsoever for other parts of my listening youth (community radio when i moved to adelaide aged 15 was ultimately pretty dull and has remained so, the occasional show notwithstanding.)

> This is interesting to me right now, because as I listen to the new
> Sydney station fbi, it seems to be occupying the same kind of
> musical space as JJJ did before it went national.

in what respect?

jwd, Saturday, 1 November 2003 04:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Well, gaz actually doesn't agree with me there, but insofar as it plays lots of independent Aust stuff, plus also a broader range of material from OS, ie no set playlists; and that each DJ has their own, self-chosen set list.

It could be that JJJ has been drawing the strings around the DJ playlist increasingly tightly since about 1986. Back before then each jock could play whatever they liked, but I recall reading somewhere that the % of self-chosen stuff gradually diminished to zero over the next decade or so - which would explain that people who like musical variety per se have a sense that JJJ is getting more and more didactic and less and less venturesome with each passing year.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Saturday, 1 November 2003 04:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The great thing about JJJ notwithstanding all the complaints (which i absolutely agree with) is that it plays all over Australia, to kids miles away from the cities where the other listening options are probably fairly limited. So even if it's less adventurous it is far moreso than whatever else they care to listen to. As well it fosters some sense of community and can break non-mainstream acts country wide.

mentalist (mentalist), Saturday, 1 November 2003 04:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

True.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Saturday, 1 November 2003 04:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

no set playlists; and that each DJ has their own, self-chosen set list.

not true. very restrictive playlists. i know a couple of people there and mostly they get to play a minimal number of tunes they select themselves. there are obvious "specialist" shows, but daytime, no way.

gaz (gaz), Saturday, 1 November 2003 06:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

That's interesting, I didn't know that. I've only been listening briefly in the mornings, the evenings and all day in the background on weekends. The week mornings sound quite repetitive - so these are programmed are they? I just thought the DJS were unimaginative! The weekends sound like a general free-for-all and are much more interesting.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Saturday, 1 November 2003 10:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

the were gonna post the playlist on the website i think...

its the same old stupidity isn't it? hire someone who lives and loves music as a dj then tell them to play what you want them to play.

might as well hire comedians as djs. like jjj.

gaz (gaz), Saturday, 1 November 2003 11:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

gaz, you're breaking my heart with your cruel realism.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Saturday, 1 November 2003 11:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Playlists are the devil.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Saturday, 1 November 2003 11:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i think existangst and his team are frauds and the work of the devil

colin barnet, Sunday, 2 November 2003 16:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'd be a lot happier with JJJ if they didn't "unearth" the most despicably bland, predictable and unoriginal bands this country has to offer and stick them on high rotation. Less novelty songs and better announcers would be nice also, but I'll be sticking with RRR, PBS and 3LO for the forseeable future...

steve, Sunday, 2 November 2003 23:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

They should be upping acts like Hermitude, which FBI do, rather than the next bland vaguely grunge act or Blink 182 clone.

mentalist (mentalist), Sunday, 2 November 2003 23:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I have no problem with them "unearthing" new bands, artists, etc., but if they're going to go to all that trouble they should be focussing on original, innovative, unusual or overlooked artists and genres rather than trying to find the next Grinspoon and Jebediah.

steve, Monday, 3 November 2003 00:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i'm probably biased because i know them, but Band Camp were one of the better bands they've unearthed.. admittedly they don't exactly break out of the mould in a big way though

the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 3 November 2003 01:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

colin barnet:

Why am i the work of the devil?

You give us too much credit to call the ramshackle bunch that happen to write on The Alternative, a team.

Tim Finney:

The entire point that i meant to get across was that JJJ need to do more then just replace limp bizkit with mogwai. Musical taste is entirely subjective. So is taste in musical presenters. It's foolish for JJJ to say "We will only play this certain type of music, and we will only hire this certain type of on air presenter." If that's their mission plan, it's a surefire quick way to find themselves totally irrelevant to everyone.

Rather they need to look at the big white canvas. And then work out how to paint the bigger picture. What do they want to achieve? What are taxpayers paying for that they can't get on the commercial radio alternatives? Which of these goals are self defeating? They need to have a long hard look at whether or not rating better, and promoting youth arts are mutually exclusive goals.

Thats all i meant by the Mogwai/Limp Bizkit dichotomy. To suggest that the 2 goals ARE mutually exclusive.

ExistAngst, Tuesday, 11 November 2003 15:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

five years pass...

kingsmill interview. bizarre kanye/lil wayne binary in there. having said that, if alex lloyd's pr was hassling me i wouldn't play him either. (i'd probably shoot myself but that's another thread.)

"woah man, fl├╝gelhorn" (haitch), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 03:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

good interview. i've always liked his attitude and there's no question he's got a good head on his shoulders. doesn't make me much more interested in listening to the station these days tho

more posts that will never be released (electricsound), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 04:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yeah that is a great interview. I like his attitude - he's direct and forthright and doesn't let people go diva on his ass. He'd be a good boss to have.

My boss say I can't not do this (Trayce), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 04:57 (eight years ago) Permalink


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