The Doobie Brothers: C or D?

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Always liked McDonald's singing all over 'Katy Lied' - gd contast with Fagen's sneer. 'What a fool believes' classic too - and what was the McDonald track sampled by Warren G?

Andrew L, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"I Keep Forgettin", right?

Kris, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two years pass...
"what a fool believes" is weirdly classic -- completely of its time, it still doesn't sound like anything else. what an odd hook.

i just "black water" and that song is...awful.

is "w.a.f.b." really a doobies song or a m. mcd. solo tune?

amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 23 May 2004 02:51 (nineteen years ago) link

well, "what a fool believes" wouldn't be TOTALLY out of place on a steely dan record (musically, NOT lyrically -- mcdonald's lyrical sensibility is a little sweeter than messrs. fagen and becker).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 03:00 (nineteen years ago) link

aretha does a great cover of "what a fool believes." well worth slsking.

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 23 May 2004 03:03 (nineteen years ago) link

"What a fool believes" is great. I also love "Long train running", mainly due to hearing it in loads of early '90s "rave" clubs...

Did I imagine this? I'm sure it was a big hit in the clubs. Does anyone else remember this?

Keith Watson (kmw), Sunday, 23 May 2004 14:11 (nineteen years ago) link

yes there was a remix version in the early 90s but i can't remember who did it. it was also covered by Don Pablo's Animals along with Bananarama's 'Venus' which was a top ten hit in 1990.

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 23 May 2004 14:15 (nineteen years ago) link

I didn't realise that Don Pablo's Animals did Long Train Running! I heart their version of Shocking Blue's Venus (which Bananarama covered) tho.

MarkH (MarkH), Sunday, 23 May 2004 14:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Cheers. I sometimes wonder...

A month or two ago after a night out I was watching the telly with one eye and then fell asleep on the sofa. I woke up freezing in the morning thinking "weird, the Flirtations' Nothing but a Heartache is on a KFC advert" and then put it down to just a stupid dream but then a few weeks later saw it.

I think I'm having difficulty separating reality with fantasy these days.

Keith Watson (kmw), Sunday, 23 May 2004 14:20 (nineteen years ago) link

"What A Fool Believes" is unutterably Classic.

Tom May (Tom May), Sunday, 23 May 2004 14:43 (nineteen years ago) link

long train running = septic chicken scratch menace

stevie (stevie), Sunday, 23 May 2004 15:08 (nineteen years ago) link

i really hate their southern/dixieland/funky pretensions, because they are really so inept at such things.

amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 23 May 2004 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Black Water is a fucking horrible song.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Sunday, 23 May 2004 19:35 (nineteen years ago) link

"Then I was down south and I heard some funk with some main ingredients
Like Doobie Brothers, Blue Magic, David Bowie.
It was cool,
But can you imagine Doobie on your funk? Ho!
WEFUNK, we funk.
Make my funk the P.Funk
I want my funk uncut"

briania (briania), Monday, 24 May 2004 04:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Really awful shit. Even when they had Skunk Baxter playing with them. Their take on Holland/Dozier/Holland/Kim Weston is an abomination. "Takin' It to the Streets" might have been decent had it not contained Michael McDonald, whose voice drives me up the fucking wall. I don't mind the backing tracks of "What a Fool Believes" and so forth.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 24 May 2004 04:40 (nineteen years ago) link

what is with the vocals on "taking it to the streets"? they always sounded processed in some really disturbing and unpleasant fashion to me.

what is the bacharach song that mcdonald recorded again?

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 24 May 2004 04:42 (nineteen years ago) link

amateur!st, I believe the song you refer to is the odious "On My Own." BB and Carole Bayer Aspirin or whatever her name was.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 24 May 2004 04:50 (nineteen years ago) link

see but even in that song there is some cool stuff

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 24 May 2004 04:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, Bacharach always is worth listening to on some level of musicality, it's the sentiment and the schmaltz in "On My Own," and MM himself, I object to.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 24 May 2004 04:54 (nineteen years ago) link

michael mcdonald IS an acquired taste, i will confess. it took a while for me to like him (i think that the 1st time i heard him was "ya mo be there" -- like WTF?!?)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 24 May 2004 04:54 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...
so what do folks think about da doobies NOWADAYS?!?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 06:58 (seventeen years ago) link

(Insert the usual "I don't believe in "guilty pleasures" disclaimer here), but I have to "confess" my love of their version of "Take Me in Your Arms."

Have we done a TS: "Take Me in Your Arms" (Doobies) vs. "How Sweet It Is" (James Taylor)?

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 07:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I've realized that "Black Water" is one of my favorite songs ever. Which is weird because it is completely unrelated to the rest of my taste in music. The violin/guitar duet and the "hand HAND" round on the coda are the bestest.

Apocalypse '07: Rodney Strikes Back (R. J. Greene), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 14:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Thread needs more love for my favorite Doobies song, "Another Park, Another Sunday." Their vocal arrangements were a lot more interesting before McDonald staged his bloodless coup of the band.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 18:08 (seventeen years ago) link

PS: Rickey, I know you and I have completely dissimilar tastes, but that's not going to stop me from declaring that JT's "How Sweet It Is" is one of the 100 worst records in rock history. Therefore pretty much anything will beat that in a TS.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 18:09 (seventeen years ago) link

five months pass...
Self's cover of "What a Fool Believes," as played entirely on toy instruments, from his album Gizmodgery, is far superior to the original, in both a. It sounds kitschy, but it's not at all. I think the Doobies could potentially have unintentionally established this as a genre--'music to be improved through cover versions in the future.'

far superior my ass you lunatic

rps, Friday, 30 March 2007 06:32 (seventeen years ago) link

.....

tipsy mothra, Friday, 30 March 2007 06:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Joseph, are our tastes that different? I like "Another Park, Another Sunday," for one thing!

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Friday, 30 March 2007 07:23 (seventeen years ago) link

"What a Fool Believes" is a perfect track. It cannot be improved upon.

Hurting 2, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:23 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
what a fool believes was playing in morrisons on holloway road yesterday:D

600, Sunday, 6 May 2007 09:51 (sixteen years ago) link

...ehh, 'twas coming, in all its plentiful smoothnessness, over my radio the minute i switched it on yesterday morning:)

i also notice that i didnnae any doobie b's records whatsoevah when this thread was started, back in the day, whereas i now have ...mm, four! the recent-est-est acquisitions being stampede and sibling rivalry. so recent that i'mma yet to listen to them.

t**t, Sunday, 13 May 2007 17:33 (sixteen years ago) link

"What a Fool Believes" is a perfect track. It cannot be improved upon.

Truth in distilled form.

Dom Passantino, Sunday, 13 May 2007 17:41 (sixteen years ago) link

re: "what a fool ..." - the funnyish thing is, the first time i ever heard this song, it was some sort of olden live version of it on tv - and i only caught the very end of the performance - which was just (near-totally) a cappella, and that 20-30 second bit gave me for starters a *very* different idea what this song was supposed to sound like in its entirety, heheh. so when i finally got the minute by minute cd - hoho, great was my surprise :)

t**t, Sunday, 13 May 2007 17:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Minute by Minute is an uneven album -- I think you can kind of hear the unpleasant tension between old-Doobie and nu-Doobie in a lot of the weaker McDonald era stuff.

I've recently come to really like You're Made That Way.

Hurting 2, Sunday, 13 May 2007 22:58 (sixteen years ago) link

i really wish that someone would defend the old-school/original doobie bros. i mean, EVERYONE (even seth "anal cunt" putnam) loves michael mcdonald -- where's the love for "black water" and the biker/boogie-band shit?!? ;__;

Eisbaer, Sunday, 13 May 2007 23:19 (sixteen years ago) link

I never liked the old Doobie Brothers much.

Hurting 2, Sunday, 13 May 2007 23:32 (sixteen years ago) link

I've realized that "Black Water" is one of my favorite songs ever. Which is weird because it is completely unrelated to the rest of my taste in music. The violin/guitar duet and the "hand HAND" round on the coda are the bestest.

-- Apocalypse '07: Rodney Strikes Back (R. J. Greene), Wednesday, October 4, 2006 7:13 AM (7 months ago)


I already made my case for "Black Water". Most pre-McDonald Doobie stuff is total bunk, though. Ummm... "China Grove" is just alright. Jesus, however, not so much.

The Reverend, Sunday, 13 May 2007 23:37 (sixteen years ago) link

My mom (oh my god it's mothers day I just realized that : O) really likes old Doobs. Kinda ruined my childhood.

The Reverend, Sunday, 13 May 2007 23:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, Steely Dan was the same thing for me but now I love them - although it creeps me out to think about my mom listening to some of those songs now that I actually know what they mean.

Hurting 2, Sunday, 13 May 2007 23:48 (sixteen years ago) link

i didn't think the old doobies needed defending! lots of people like those records. i like those records.

scott seward, Monday, 14 May 2007 00:22 (sixteen years ago) link

I recommend The Captain & Me. That is one solid record. And the Ted Templeman production is astounding. Such a great SOUNDING record. At least on vinyl. i can't vouch for the cd.

scott seward, Monday, 14 May 2007 00:29 (sixteen years ago) link

four months pass...

The China Grove riff is awesome.

Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 23:31 (sixteen years ago) link

What an amazing fucking band.

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 23:38 (sixteen years ago) link

"Minute by Minute" makes me cry.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 23:46 (sixteen years ago) link

"Takin' It To The Street" -- come on! Great stuff.

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 20 September 2007 14:15 (sixteen years ago) link

four months pass...

CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC both versions of the band

am0n, Sunday, 3 February 2008 07:33 (sixteen years ago) link

i think i like the pre-mcdonald stuff better

am0n, Sunday, 3 February 2008 07:35 (sixteen years ago) link

oh, totally.

after owning their GH for, like, my entire life .. I decided to buckle down and just buy all the vinyl LPs whenever I can find them in great condition for a dollar. So far i have 'The Captain and Me' and 'Stampede'. Nice copies, total cost: about $3 ... and yeah, I do love Mike's vocals but the early group has some nice non-GH cuts like "South City Midnight Lady"

Stormy Davis, Sunday, 3 February 2008 07:56 (sixteen years ago) link

it's worth the ... 7 bucks .. or whatever it is to spend to get nice vinyl copies of all of the Doobie Brothers albums up through 'Takin It' .. I mean, that's like the cost of a draft beer plus tip

Stormy Davis, Sunday, 3 February 2008 07:59 (sixteen years ago) link

so much prefer the McDonald stuff myself.

Hurting 2, Sunday, 3 February 2008 14:41 (sixteen years ago) link

Good examples?

calstars, Saturday, 22 July 2017 18:35 (six years ago) link

The title track on Toulouse Street and "Spirit" from What Were Once Vices Are Now Habits are the ones that really stood out to me the most, but it was just something I kept noticing continuously through my listening binge.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 22 July 2017 19:09 (six years ago) link

I think it's just that there's real "in the room" sound that was captured with the acoustic strings on a lot of things, more so than on a lot of other 70s recordings. Like, "shit, this guitar is right next to me!"

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 22 July 2017 19:12 (six years ago) link

their whole catalog thru at least Minute By Minute is richly worthy of close listening. Beautifully recorded, beautifully played records

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 22 July 2017 23:14 (six years ago) link

Johnny, those are nice. As is Black Water as long as you stop it before it becomes acapella barber shop.

Thirteen by big star is the acoustic recording holy grail imho.

calstars, Sunday, 23 July 2017 00:12 (six years ago) link

one year passes...
one year passes...

I did a deep dive into the catalog last year, and I wound up nearly hating them. They can be a fine meat-and-potatoes band, but after 15 or 20 minutes, the vocals (at least before McDonald came on board), the lyrics and the musical clichés start to wear thin, and stretched beyond an hour, it wasn't so enjoyable anymore. It was much more palatable to string all of their singles together - I didn't like them all, but even at their worst (like "Listen to the Music" or "Takin' It to the Streets" as Alfred suggested) there were still parts of their music that could be enjoyed, usually a riff or a light groove to hang on to while letting the rest zip on by.

birdistheword, Monday, 15 February 2021 08:54 (three years ago) link

I enjoy three songs apiece from their first two best-of collections (five sung by Mike McDonald), but get sufficiently annoyed by the ones I don't like that I'd never consider listening to an original album.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 15 February 2021 13:53 (three years ago) link

A lot of their music just sounds like nothing is at stake. There’s a bit of a blankly cherry, up with people kind of vibe to it.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 15 February 2021 17:07 (three years ago) link

*blankly cheery

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 15 February 2021 17:07 (three years ago) link

For people who found the Eagles too intense.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 15 February 2021 17:16 (three years ago) link

For people who found the Eagles too intense.

LMAO

birdistheword, Monday, 15 February 2021 20:19 (three years ago) link

A lot of their music just sounds like nothing is at stake.

Pretty damning when one of their signature tunes is "Takin' It to the Streets."

birdistheword, Monday, 15 February 2021 20:25 (three years ago) link

Yeah but that song is just about getting a new remote-controlled car for Christmas

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 15 February 2021 23:08 (three years ago) link

Neil Young:Model Trains::Michael McDonald:Radio-Controlled Cars

"what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 15 February 2021 23:13 (three years ago) link

REMOTE-CONTROLLED

"what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 15 February 2021 23:14 (three years ago) link

For people who found the Eagles too intense.


See this is the kind of challops that I aspire to

calstars, Monday, 15 February 2021 23:17 (three years ago) link

six months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9URZfqYf2o

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Saturday, 11 September 2021 01:29 (two years ago) link

^ pretty funky jammed-out version w Cornelius Bumpus leading the band

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Saturday, 11 September 2021 03:06 (two years ago) link

full show is here, those live mcdonald vocals are ridiculous https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LCB_RdfdXc

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Saturday, 11 September 2021 08:58 (two years ago) link

Damn, that show is dope

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 12 September 2021 13:41 (two years ago) link

Started crying this morning listening to Here to Love You for the first time, what a song.

lukas, Monday, 13 September 2021 05:34 (two years ago) link

that set is unbelievable

I'm a sovereign jazz citizen (the table is the table), Monday, 13 September 2021 17:45 (two years ago) link

feel like this video disproves every old "Doobies pre-Mcdonald is real Doobies" douchebag so hard. This band only got classic when they went full funky r&b.

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Monday, 13 September 2021 19:56 (two years ago) link

Yass ^

calstars, Monday, 13 September 2021 20:22 (two years ago) link

They can sit on the bench with the "Fleetwood Mac pre-Buckingham Nicks is real Fleetwood Mac" dorks imo

Richard Marxist (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 13 September 2021 20:39 (two years ago) link

My dad insists everything post Peter Green stinks. xTRUEDADCHALLOPSx

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Monday, 13 September 2021 21:00 (two years ago) link

feel like this video disproves every old "Doobies pre-Mcdonald is real Doobies" douchebag so hard. This band only got classic when they went full funky r&b.

Yes. I’m pretty sure they cleaned up the background vocals considerably but McDonald is a fucking force in that show.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 13 September 2021 21:38 (two years ago) link

They can sit on the bench with the "Fleetwood Mac pre-Buckingham Nicks is real Fleetwood Mac" dorks imo

Exactly

calstars, Monday, 13 September 2021 21:51 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

I'd like to hear some funky Dixieland
Pretty Mama come and take me by the hand
By the hand (hand), take me by the hand pretty Mama
Come and dance with your daddy all night long
I'd like to hear some funky Dixieland
Pretty Mama come and take me by the hand
I want to honky tonk (take me by the hand)
Honky tonk (take me by the hand pretty Mama)
Honky tonk (come and dance with your daddy all night long) with you all night long

I'd like to hear some funky Dixieland
Pretty Mama come and take me by the hand
I want to honky tonk (take me by the hand)
Honky tonk (take me by the hand pretty Mama)
Honky tonk (come and dance with your daddy all night long) with you all night long

I'd like to hear some funky Dixieland
Pretty Mama come and take me by the hand
C'mon baby, c'mon baby (I want to honky tonk) (take me by the hand)
Honky tonk (take me by the hand pretty Mama)
Honky tonk (come and dance with your daddy all night long) with you all night long

I'd like to hear some funky Dixieland
Pretty Mama come and take me by the hand
C'mon baby, c'mon baby (I want to honky tonk) (take me by the hand)
Honky tonk (take me by the hand pretty Mama)
Honky tonk (come and dance with your daddy all night long) with you all night long

I'd like to hear some funky Dixieland
Pretty Mama come and take me by the hand
C'mon baby, c'mon baby (I want to honky tonk) (take me by the hand)
Honky tonk (take me by the hand pretty Mama)
Honky tonk (come and dance with your daddy all night long) with you all night long

imo

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 8 July 2023 02:32 (nine months ago) link

I always think of that line in Romancing the Stone.

Bittern Storm Over My Hammy (morrisp), Saturday, 8 July 2023 03:04 (nine months ago) link

LOL, he found out a couple of years too late

birdistheword, Saturday, 8 July 2023 04:10 (nine months ago) link

Michael McDonald, Living Meme, strikes again

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 8 July 2023 19:01 (nine months ago) link

Yah Mo Zoom U

pomplamoose and circumstance (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 8 July 2023 19:29 (nine months ago) link

Hope this story ends better than the little girl obsessed with Wire.

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 8 July 2023 19:38 (nine months ago) link

“Is your best friend Christopher Cross?” Hahaha

calstars, Saturday, 8 July 2023 22:24 (nine months ago) link


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