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"Ruckzuck" is one of my favourite songs (well there're about 200 but still) - I really like the groovy flute playing. It's kind of "hard" flute, not floaty. I think Kwerk 1 & 2 are both really strong albums and I like Ralf und Florian less, pretty fond of "Tanzmusik" from that though.

spectra, Wednesday, 25 December 2002 05:49 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

My second favourite might be Joy Division's Atmosphere (just ensuring no confusion with the Russ Abbott one). Ananas Symphonie makes me want to buy a steel guitar.

Damian (Damian), Wednesday, 25 December 2002 09:58 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

It's kind of "hard" flute, not floaty.

Exactly. I'm glad someone else figured out how to say this (although I do like some floaty flute).

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 25 December 2002 14:29 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
I swear there was a thread about the supposed reissues for Kraftwerk (hell if I could find it). Anyway....So about the reissue(s)...Rough Trade is now selling Computer World (REMASTERED) vinyl. Out today in fact. Hope this is the beginning of the reissues (and on cds as well).

van nostrum (Buck Van Smack), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 23:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

(how do you make long links short, with just a word or two?)

van nostrum (Buck Van Smack), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 23:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink


Replace "[" and "]" with ""

This is my most "advanced" html trick.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 00:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It's not showing up here- should be replacing the square brackets with angle brackets.

Telephonething (Telephonething), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 01:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Hope this is the beginning of the reissues
On that page you linked, they list 1 & 2 as a double package and Autobahn too, all on coloured vinyl.

willem (willem), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 05:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

They are all bootlegs.

harvey.w (harvey.w), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 12:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Kraftwerk have been notorious for announcing stuff that *never* happens - earlier this year, they announced that the first three albums would finally get released on CD - no bonus tracks, but "re-mastered" - how can you re-master something that was mever (CD) mastered to begin with? Anyway, the first 3 are great - my favorite is "Kristallo" from "Ralf & Florian", sounds great when played LOUD.

SoHoLa (SoHoLa), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 12:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

you need "tone float" by kraftwerk / organisation - which is kinda like a pre kraftwerk hippy drum circle with wiggy violin, flute & hammond organ - at least as good as kwerk 1 & 2 which are their all time best apart from the original tour de france. get it get it get it - it's the best

bob snoom, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 15:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

three years pass...


Matt DC, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 10:56 (ten years ago) Permalink

The boy Schnieder done good but he has to hang up his boots sometime

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 11:04 (ten years ago) Permalink

I've been disappointed by how accessible they've been over the past few years. Maybe this will restore a little mystery.

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 11:05 (ten years ago) Permalink

But Florian was the weirdo mystery element in the group

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 11:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

And now he's not even in it! It's like SUPER MYSTERIOUS!

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 11:16 (ten years ago) Permalink

This at the bottom of the BBC page...
Cones hotline
The lasting legacy of John Major's much ridiculed plan

snoball, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 11:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

what would Florian do?

Hopefully jam with Michael Rother and Jaki L., but probably not. :(

909090909 Rivethed Brikkchin Reverk now DANZ (Mackro Mackro), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 20:02 (ten years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Every time I play the opening minute or two of "Europe Endless" I'm kinda convinced there's no better start to a song -- an album, ANYTHING -- out there. It's such a perfectly realized and precise arrangement, and *then* the beats arrive.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 30 April 2009 18:32 (ten years ago) Permalink


Europa Endlos should be the anthem of the EU.

Suggesteban Cambiasso (jim), Thursday, 30 April 2009 18:35 (ten years ago) Permalink

Every time I play the opening minute or two of "Europe Endless" I'm kinda convinced there's no better start to a song -- an album, ANYTHING -- out there. It's such a perfectly realized and precise arrangement, and *then* the beats arrive.

For me, that moment is the keyboard interlude the third time or so it's repeated. For one, I just love the sound of the saw wave and the little modulation accents Ralf plays. But on that iteration, Ralf knocks it up a register — and it just takes off. Easily my favorite Kraftwerk moment, period.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 30 April 2009 19:10 (ten years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Folks have probably already seen this, but just in case:

Remasters of Autobahn, Radio-Activity, Trans Europe Express), The Man Machine, Computer World, Techno Pop, The Mix, and Tour De France. Available individually or as a box set, in which case they come in those horrible little "mini LP sleeve" packages people seem to like for some reason.

More Butty In Your Pants (Telephone thing), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 05:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

On October 5 Kraftwerk will release 12345678: The Catalogue, a CD box set collecting eight of their classic studio albums. Newly remastered versions of the albums will also be available individually on CD, vinyl and download.

The release is via Mute; it marks the 35th anniversary of the band's 1974 hit 'Autobahn' and will come mere weeks after they headline the 2009 edition of Bestival. Kraftwerk are arguably more important than The Beatles in terms of profound influence on the evolution of modern music,
.. etcetc...

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

- 8 x individual CDs presented in special slipcases featuring newly expanded artwork, including many previously unseen images all of which have been reproduced to the highest technical standards.

- CD Box Set containing 8 x CDs in ‘mini-vinyl’ card wallet packaging, plus individual large format booklets.

- 8 x individual heavyweight vinyl LPs with large format booklets.

- Digital downloads.

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

Any reason to buy these for those of us who own all the albums on CD already? Sounds like extra packaging but nothing in the way of new/unreleased music... not really into those types of reissues.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 13:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

Remastered sound?

StanM, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 13:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

Oh my god, I'm listening to the original '83 version of "Tour de France" right now and am FLIPPING OUT

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 18:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

for the first time

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 18:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

Remastered sound?

The remastering will be the selling point for me. The CDs that we've been listening to for the last twenty years leave a lot to be desired.

Vast Halo, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 19:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

will "Techno Pop" be mythical lost album or just "Electric Cafe" with original title?

Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 21:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

wikipedia says it's just electric cafe with the original title

elan, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 21:23 (nine years ago) Permalink

ralf and florian is nice, summery, kind of hawaiian

-- this explains why i like that lp so much!

amateurist, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 21:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

Techno Pop was basically a failed album that had the best parts remixed into Electric Cafe. I doubt it will ever seen the light of day and I am not too upset about it. It would be neat to hear out of curiosity, but I doubt they have eight Tour de France style joints sitting in the can waiting to be heard.

That being said, I can only imagine what they have in their archives. I would love to hear the demos for songs that didn't make the cut for their studio albums. They will never be heard while Hutter is alive, but it will be interesting to see how his estate handles the music.

It will also be interesting to see who is credited on the box set. I wonder if Schneider will have his name removed like Bartos and Flur.

your original display name is still visible (Display Name), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 21:47 (nine years ago) Permalink

.. and Conny Plank...

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

1983 demo version of 'Techno Pop' is utterly different than album version, almost a 70's retrench with the Orchestron vocal choir playing the chord sequence, I like it better than the album version

& there were three new tunes on the 98 tour than remain unreleased, I can see why but I'd still love a studio version of the one that sounds like their take on Basic Channel

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

word! is that demo vers floating around somewhere reachable?
the live versions I've heard of the "Techno Pop" stuff is pretty great ... hard-hitting, muscular stuff

Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

usual place, + demo version of 'techno pop' widely available on 'ultra rare trax volume 2' comp, most widely available bootleg of 97/98 tour is 'Computer Sinfonien ZKM'

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:39 (nine years ago) Permalink

correction, one word "Computersinfonien"

but "Tribal Gathering" and "Live at the Fillmore" boots pretty good too

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:40 (nine years ago) Permalink

ace, thanks!

Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:43 (nine years ago) Permalink

"but "Tribal Gathering" and "Live at the Fillmore" boots pretty good too"

for a second i'm thinking i clicked on the live dead thread by mistake...

scott seward, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

yeah I mean "Fillmore" is a better, more lush recording that captures more of the vibe of the night, but at "Tribal" Ralf was just so on

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

The only Kraftwerk recordings I have are 70's era, including the one with Rother + Dinger, and this one from Leverkusen with a 40 minute Autobahn

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

you know where leonardo is? I've been looking for Leverkusen forever, I'll put up 1975 Brighton if you post that one

to go back to "Tribal" it was like Ralf had all this energy that you could literally see rising out of his hands, and it wasn't the acid because I asked Mary and she saw the same tendrils

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

It's in flac or shn; what's the best way to send something of that size?

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

i quite liked the three late 90s demos esp. the Tribal '97 one. actually 'Tango' was a bit shit but they kept doing that live for a while unlike the other two.

unban dictionary (blueski), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

oh jeez, probably zipping the flac files would get them under sendspace-able 300 MB

I know this is bad form trading right out here on the street but seriously if they sold this shit legit we wouldn't be in the sorry state we are right now man

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:30 (nine years ago) Permalink

Oh it's fine, I got it all on dime/dc++ anyway. It's not like it's copyrighted or anything.

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

Relistening to this Autobahn for the first time in like 6 years. Sound quality's kind of shit, but performance is simply transcendent. If this isn't A++++ I don't know what is; the motorik breakdown alone is like 10 minutes. Will post soon.

The whole thing's 980 megs though; I think I'll just V0 this or something.

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 00:31 (nine years ago) Permalink

fine with mp3's

Kraftwerk POX

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 00:48 (nine years ago) Permalink

the other non-album Kraftwerk single I'm looking for, the pre-Conny Plank 7" version of “Kohoutek – Kometenmelodie” -

have heard side 1, still haven't heard side 2

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 00:51 (nine years ago) Permalink

3D show was amazing. The most genuine fun I've experienced at a show in a while.

welltris (crüt), Tuesday, 29 September 2015 05:19 (three years ago) Permalink

so what kind of German accent *is* it that pronounces "für dich und mich" as "for dish und mish"?

Is that what they mean by their Düsseldorf accent making them sound as comical as Brummies?

Dröhn Rock (Branwell with an N), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 11:22 (three years ago) Permalink

i thought it was a pretty great show -- one of the highlights was actually the extensive tour de france section, a record that's never really been in my regular rotation. my only complaint would be that i thought the sound was a bit quiet...but then, my ears are kinda scorched from playing too many shows. oh, and a totally ratchet group of ladies behind us who were shushed a couple times, then left halfway through. i don't think they knew why they were there. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i feel pretty fortunate to have seen kraftwerk (2015), michael rother, and roedelius all live! i was thinking about that while walking out of the show, probably looked like this :)))))))))))

dronestreet, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 13:33 (three years ago) Permalink

I saw them in Boston last weekend, they were terrific. Granted, I'm not sure they weren't just surfing Facebook or something, but it all looked and sounded great.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 23:26 (three years ago) Permalink

This one has sound (and Ralf being adorable but I didn't say that):

Dröhn Rock (Branwell with an N), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 06:37 (three years ago) Permalink

at work but double hell yeah

bonobo voyage (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 09:17 (three years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
three months pass...

F♯ A♯ (∞), Thursday, 24 March 2016 19:03 (three years ago) Permalink


glandular lansbury (sic), Saturday, 26 March 2016 00:59 (three years ago) Permalink

Is that the knitting pattern?

StanM, Saturday, 26 March 2016 04:27 (three years ago) Permalink

URL encoded utf8 by the look of it. It's a Japanese website and the path is in Japanese. If you look there are groups of 3 bytes all starting with e3, each of these groups is a character.

koogs, Saturday, 26 March 2016 06:39 (three years ago) Permalink for instance

koogs, Saturday, 26 March 2016 06:41 (three years ago) Permalink

Great video.

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 12:33 (three years ago) Permalink

Would it have killed them to film Florian more. :(

Sehr Kornisch (Branwell with an N), Friday, 1 April 2016 07:24 (three years ago) Permalink

wow, that is the highest quality transfer I have ever seen of the 1981 TV live special. if anyone comes across the rest of that in the same HD quality, please post back here, you can finally even see the shape of the switches & all their gear clearly

Milton Parker, Friday, 1 April 2016 16:57 (three years ago) Permalink

not HD, in fact terrible quality, but someone heard my prayer and filmed Florian chatting about synthesisers for 10 minutes!

Sehr Kornisch (Branwell with an N), Monday, 4 April 2016 08:56 (three years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
ten months pass...

We meet on the eve of the general election, and so, to break the ice, I tell him how, ever since the leaders debates in 2010, pictures of UK politicians stood sombrely at lecterns have come to be labelled by online wits as the “worst Kraftwerk gig ever”. Curious, Hütter looks at a picture on my phone of a besuited Gordon Brown, Nick Clegg and David Cameron, and nods in agreement: “Because there’s only three of them,” he says. “One missing.”

cast your vote for fully automated gay space luxury communism (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 16 June 2017 09:33 (two years ago) Permalink


frogbs, Friday, 16 June 2017 13:12 (two years ago) Permalink

oh my god no that cannot be real

he not like the banana (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 16 June 2017 13:17 (two years ago) Permalink

kraftwerk's deadpan humour is one of my favourite things about them

cast your vote for fully automated gay space luxury communism (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 16 June 2017 13:19 (two years ago) Permalink

i loled hard when i read that part of the interview this morning... glad to find someone posted it here.

new noise, Friday, 16 June 2017 19:12 (two years ago) Permalink

I liked this part too

Did it surprise Hütter when black audiences in New York and Detroit took it to their hearts and used it as a building block for hip-hop and techno?

“Yes and no,” he says. “Because I have white and black keys on my piano.”

frogbs, Friday, 16 June 2017 19:25 (two years ago) Permalink

to say i am buzzed to the max re tomorrow would be an understatement ...

mark e, Friday, 16 June 2017 19:27 (two years ago) Permalink

Has Ralf been listening to 'Ebony and Ivory'? :D

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Monday, 19 June 2017 15:50 (two years ago) Permalink

By the way, one thing I noticed in the CD box set is: Every track has very specific credits for words, music, every individual. Not seen that before..

Mark G, Monday, 19 June 2017 21:24 (two years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

finally caved and bought the new CD boxset. it's quite good, the versions on discs 1-6 are more different than the originals (and The Mix) than I expected. kinda cool to see them rearranging the tracks and grouping the similar stuff together, i.e. the "Franz Schubert/Europe Endless" medley. I do think some of the magic is lost but they still sound great. new versions of "Airwaves" and "Antenna" are excellent. plus they turn "Telephone Call" into a real jam and just forego the vocals entirely. I'm on Disc 7 (the 3-D headphone version of "The Mix") and it's giving me a headache. Haven't heard the Tour de France disc yet, can't imagine it's much different though. still, worth the 40 bucks.

frogbs, Friday, 11 August 2017 15:01 (one year ago) Permalink

they turn "Telephone Call" into a real jam and just forego the vocals entirely

Anything to do with the fact that Karl Bartos sang it originally? And Ralf didn't like his vocal either - too emotional.

Tonight I Cut My Temple Teeth (Tom D.), Friday, 11 August 2017 15:13 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah that's probably exactly the reason.

funny to hear a 70 year-old Hutter sing "Sex Object". what a strange tune that is.

frogbs, Friday, 11 August 2017 15:25 (one year ago) Permalink

three months pass...

HCMF40 (Huddersfield Contemporary Music Festival - Radio 3)

The programme features music from the arch-experimentalist ensemble zeitkratzer and their tribute to the iconic German band Kraftwerk, with live performances of numbers from their critically acclaimed albums "Kraftwerk" and "Kraftwerk 2".

(disclaimer, i haven't listened to this yet)

koogs, Wednesday, 29 November 2017 09:25 (one year ago) Permalink

five months pass...
two months pass...

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