original series: chekov...maybe, but that's stretching it. he kicks ass in the movies, he's just sort of useless on the show. but the original cast (chekov being a second series addition) is flawless.
next generation: RIKER RIKER RIKER, troi, that doctor who replaced crusher for one year, yar, data (come on, admit it. he's a super-advanced andriod and he can't understand common phrases? he thinks a 'lemon' is a literal lemon for god's sake. i'm sure the writers kissed each other for how fucking cute that was. anyway mudd's women were way smarter). and WESLEY. geordie would get on my nerves if he were played by anyone but le var burton, but he's a childhood icon and can therefore do no wrong.
deep space nine: the only memorable character besides the captain (who is cool) is quark the ferengi (who is also cool). but the rest aren't even fleshed-out enough to annoy me. wait, no, the short-haired chick with the ridges on her nose aggravates the piss out of me. and the doctor, god.
voyager: it has an indian. and an asian guy. and a black vulcan. and the captain is a woman. only as annoying as that new ghostbusters cartoon where one of the ghostbusters was in a wheelchair. like, what the hell?
evidence that kirk is the best captain: all series after that have had kirk ripoffs that are nowhere as good as kirk because they are not as cool as the godly shatner. like riker, or that really forgettable womanizer guy from voyager. i mean, what the hell, don't you just want to punch riker in the face? does anyone not want to? anyone?
― ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Mike Hanley, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
All-time favorite episode is "Charlie X," where the Enterprise picks up some teenaged human waif from a planet, who then runs around the ship melting off the faces through telekinesis (?) of various crew members whenever he's teased or horny. What teenager couldn't identify with that?
― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― ethan, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I remembered TNG being great when I was 12, but I watched a few of them more recently and they were AWFUL, even the later ones. I think I might have quite liked Deep Space Nine later on, when they started having season-long story arcs, but I never saw enough of them to make sense of what was going on.
― John Davey, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― gareth, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
How come most of the crew are American yet NONE of them are chronically obese? (except Scotty who's - ahem - ""Scottish"")
In the 60s it was a bizarre mix of US military 'might is right' fascism and Hippy-dippy, 'why can't all nations hold hands?' idealism (though still managing to be sexist ~ Uhura the Captains secretary and Yoaman Rand (is that right) the Captains bit of [onboard] fluff. AND THATS IT SISTERS!)
It should have ended there as it ran out of ideas and people stopped watching it. But OH NO, they had to bring it back in the 80s with over-long, plodding bore-a-thon 'Next Generation' episodes that tapped into the touchy-feely / inner-child / New-Age nonsense that was on the go at the time. I mean - Counsellor Troi = WHY? She even sits on the bridge next to the Captain!! the message is in the 25th Century a bloody social worker is one of the most important jobs on a space ship.
But it was all so clinical and corperate and soul-less, advocating Pro-conformity and how you should be a good citizen. And too much sanctimonious liberal finger-wagging for my liking.
And it starred Whoopi Goldberg.
And how come all the baddies end up as the Federation's (UGH!) freind, taking tokenistic jobs as Navigators etc?
And why was it always so fucking BORING?
― D*A*V*I*D*M, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― mark s, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― dave q, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Dan Perry, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Another Star Trek I had over the other incarnations -- BETTER BACKGROUND MUSIC! Esp. that duh-dum-duh-dum-DUH-DUM-duh-dum theme whenever Kirk's ass was in deep ship.
On the other hand, Troi's mother was AWESOME.
And the original ST's music was Varese-influenced, hey? Hmmmm ... never knew that! Maybe I should go over to that "Who Opened Your Ears" thread in ILM and change an answer or two of mine :-)
Troi's mom was cooler than Troi, not more attractive! Aigh, my eyes!
― JM, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
troi: not attractive.
crusher: nuh-uh.
troi's mom: uh.
that guy who was troi's mom's butler or something and was the guy who played lurch in the addams family movies: mrowr.
question: who liked first contact? it was like a next generation episode, only like, cool. plus, supercool supporting cast with alfre woodard and the farmer guy from babe.
someone start a star wars thread so i can bitch about how much that sucks except for empire strikes back.
― DG, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― james e l, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
hey i just remembered something else i liked in next generation, although it's from that bastard movie where kirk dies (falling off a walkway! the fuck? he's saved the universe like two hundred times and he falls of a walkway and dies? fuck). um anyway, i liked when data said 'shit'.
― anthony, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Mike Hanle y, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― jel --, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Andrew L, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Andrew L has not mentioned his great expertness in this area, for some reason. I know about it because I very briefly worked under him on a Star Trek magazine!
― Martin Skidmore, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 16:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 16:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 16:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
Enterprise - trip is annoying but that vulcan's fit.
― s.r.w. (s.r.w.), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 17:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
first series: like what i haf seen but haven't watched many episodes.
Next generation: only reached goodeness after the Borg came in the picture.
Deep space nine: deeply flawed (a space station in the middle of nowhere and they had to make a war to make it interesting so it had problems just like next generation) though I did watch most of it.
Voyager: the absolute fucking classic. They are stranded and haf to go back but they explore the other side of the quadrant which means all sorts of storylines, (this aspect is exploited to the full) and if that isn't enough then here are the words that settle this argument.
SEVEN OF NINE.
The woman of my dreams (Troi is an ugly witch compared to my seven). She's like Data (both trying to gain 'humanity') but she's a woman. And what a woman. Then the doctor who i think is rilly rilly funny too.
I was pissed off that my brother missed taping two episodes and I made him aware of that to say the least(only six were taped, I had to spend all night watching them on the day i got back from canada and it was time well spent though seven is breaking my heart trying to 'get' chakotay).
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 18:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
(Fun fact: The student services building at my school is called the William Shatner building & even has the Shatner Ballroom. Classic!)
― Miss Laura, Thursday, 22 August 2002 08:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
― angela, Thursday, 22 August 2002 08:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
DO YOU SEE!!?
― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 22 August 2002 10:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 22 August 2002 10:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
heh. Alex (my brother's name) would never say 'improv' as he doesn't know what that is. or wants to know.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 22 August 2002 10:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
Good: Wrath Of Khan, The Voyage Home (time travel, whales), The Undiscovered Country (Peace with the Klingons), First Contact (The Borg hit Earth), hopefully Nemesis
Bad: Star Trek: the Motionless Picture, The Search For Spock, The Final Frontier (Crazy Vulcan searches for God), Generations (Malcom MacDowell froths, Kirk dies), Insurrections (not that terrible, just a double length TNG episode).
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 22 August 2002 10:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
Having finally seen the trailer, my hopes for the film are now quite high.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:08 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:15 (twenty-one years ago) link
ARGH. Now I'm massively disappointed as well!
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
― katie (katie), Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
So while I can see the intrinsic appeal of the attractiveness of the women in late STrek progs, I can't see it as a tribute to the imagination, skill and integrity of the programme makers.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
(oh, it's an extra on the tos series 2 dvds, which is why it's more familiar than the rest of ds9 (which i've not seen since it first aired))
― koogs, Wednesday, 15 November 2023 17:59 (four months ago) link
deep space 9 repeats on Legend just carried on with their every-weekday schedule over the Christmas break so i am now 6 behind. this feels oppressive.
― koogs, Friday, 29 December 2023 04:22 (three months ago) link
catching up on deep space nine and today cisco is dreaming that they are all working for a sf magazine in the 40s / 50s. includes all of nog, kira, quark, odo, worf etc without prosthetics / makeup. and it's all spoilt by the fact that cisco's glasses obviously just have plain glass in them.
― koogs, Thursday, 4 January 2024 16:41 (two months ago) link
ahem *Sisko
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 4 January 2024 16:42 (two months ago) link
no, i mean the network guy 8)
― koogs, Thursday, 4 January 2024 17:14 (two months ago) link
Worf is the biggest surprise. i doubt i'd recognise him if i didn't know. (and probably Nog, probably because i've not seen them in anything else, unlike, say, armin shimerman)
― koogs, Thursday, 4 January 2024 17:19 (two months ago) link
The glasses exist! In here! Sisko created it! You canNOT destroy an idea of glasses!
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 4 January 2024 17:20 (two months ago) link
can they not find fake glasses with a curve to them so they don't flash over all at once though? it just screams 'these aren't real'
― koogs, Thursday, 4 January 2024 19:00 (two months ago) link
listen though that episode is an all timer
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 4 January 2024 22:33 (two months ago) link
^^^
damar as the shrink is also good
― mookieproof, Thursday, 4 January 2024 23:00 (two months ago) link
My favorite Trek thing ever, full-stop.
― Captain Sisko and Ebert (Leee), Thursday, 4 January 2024 23:26 (two months ago) link
fucking holodeck episodes
― koogs, Thursday, 11 January 2024 18:56 (two months ago) link
ds9 holodeck episode where Nog deals with ptsd is one of the best, though
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 11 January 2024 21:48 (two months ago) link
this was Vic the holo-singer match making between Kira and Odo by telling them both that the other was a hologram. really just a excuse for crooning. and to see Kira dressed up.
today's is Sisko being emissary, more garbage. "The Sisko has come, the circle is complete, the Sisko will know".
― koogs, Friday, 12 January 2024 11:35 (two months ago) link
yea, ezri is here
also, they appear to be visiting the Star Trek rocks in Joshua tree
― koogs, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 19:21 (two months ago) link
Just watched ds9 "Past Tense" episode where Sisko & Bashir accidently get sent back to 2024 - the Bell Riots would be coming to San Francisco in September of this year, the result of which will finally put mankind on the path to enlightenment. Or you know, Trump gets elected in November and humanity continues it's death spiral.
― BrianB, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 20:48 (two months ago) link
annoyingly the season pass has been lost for deep space nine and it didn't record 7.11 and 7.12 and i didn't realise in time to catch the repeats.
― koogs, Monday, 5 February 2024 19:17 (one month ago) link
every other episode seems to be a vic fontaine episode 8(
― koogs, Friday, 9 February 2024 15:34 (one month ago) link
I read somewhere Worf's "Irving Berlin" groan when Data sings blue skies is a clue he spent way more time getting music education with Vic than we thought.I dunno, I like the idea better that Worf just randomly recognizes and hates Irving Berlin.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 9 February 2024 22:23 (one month ago) link
DS9 finished yesterday. Voyager starts on a different channel next week (i saw the second half of this during lockdown, but can't remember just how much)
― koogs, Friday, 23 February 2024 18:57 (one month ago) link
pretty good: https://b3ta.com/challenge/startreksings/popular
― mookieproof, Saturday, 2 March 2024 03:40 (three weeks ago) link
Lol @ Don't Luc Back in Anger
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Saturday, 2 March 2024 03:55 (three weeks ago) link
These are great! The Rumours cover with the Mick Fleetwood-as-alien is a good deep cut joke.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 2 March 2024 05:55 (three weeks ago) link
Those are really good! Also, I am procrastinating from writing an essay and
https://i.imgur.com/VhHzg7O.png
― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 2 March 2024 14:10 (three weeks ago) link
didn't think I'd seen voyager since it aired other than catching the last few series during lockdown, but s01e03 i could remember chunks of, and the phage episode
― koogs, Wednesday, 6 March 2024 20:40 (three weeks ago) link
I put a random VOY ep on as comfort viewing yesterday and it was the 2-partner where the Hirogen have captured the ship and everyone is in a bloody WWII French resistance dive bar in the holodeck. I couldnt get through the episode, the premise feels so overdone. And also, why did Janeway get made to look like a klingon but everyone else just looks like themselves? Anyway bleh.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 6 March 2024 21:26 (three weeks ago) link
ugh i hated that one, bloody interminable
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 6 March 2024 21:58 (three weeks ago) link
that one was bad but i liked the hirogen in general
especially when it's tony todd
― mookieproof, Thursday, 7 March 2024 01:36 (three weeks ago) link
at least there are no Ferengi (apart from episode 1 where they set off from DS9 and Quark makes a cameo)
― koogs, Thursday, 7 March 2024 03:20 (three weeks ago) link
there's another one but it's not good either
― mookieproof, Thursday, 7 March 2024 03:22 (three weeks ago) link
Ha when I was watching the first of the hirogen eps a few days ago, my other half says "thats the Candyman guy doing the role isnt it", just from his voice.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 7 March 2024 04:31 (three weeks ago) link
rewatched the first appearance of Tony Todd as Worf's brother Kurn on TNG recently. good stuff
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 7 March 2024 15:14 (three weeks ago) link
Tony Todd's DS9 episodes are incredible tearjerkers.
― Selune Gomez (Leee), Thursday, 7 March 2024 15:24 (three weeks ago) link
Just watched The Visitor for the first time today! Great episode
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 8 March 2024 15:06 (three weeks ago) link
voyager 2.02 features Kar, a young kid.
who is, from the first moment he opens his mouth, the same guy who played Nog in ds9.
― koogs, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 13:47 (three days ago) link
nog
― mark s, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 13:48 (three days ago) link