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I'm glad mark helped clarify that. I literally do not understand concept of objectivity -- partly because I dipped in only a little bit into philisophy at a-level and don't know enough. But I can't get my head round it. Which is my prob with late Marx.
― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 7 November 2003 11:40 (twenty years ago) link
It is something less than heaven
To be quoted Thesis 1.7
Every time I make an advance;
if the world is all that the case is
That's a pretty discouraging basis
On which to pursue
Any sort of romance.
I've got a proposition for you;
Logical, positive and brief
And at least it could serve as a kind of comic relief:
(refrain)
Let P equal me,
With my heart in command;
Let Q equal you
With Tractatus in hand
And R could stand for a lifetime of love,
Filled with music to fondle and purr to.
We'll define love as anything lovely you'd care to infer to.
On the right, put that bright,
Hypothetical case;
On the left, our uncleft,
Parenthetical chase.
And that horseshoe there in the middle
Could be lucky; we've got nothing to lose,
If in thse parentheses
We just mind our little P's and Q's.
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 7 November 2003 11:43 (twenty years ago) link
Don't understand it becoz you think that it cannot exist (in ways it has been defined to you) or don't understand because it has not been defined well. Objectivity as some sort of omniscient subjectivity is a concept I can just about grasp, but objectivity as a display of REAL ACTUAL TRUTH troubles me no end.
― Pete (Pete), Friday, 7 November 2003 11:44 (twenty years ago) link
I don't know how concepts of that sort 'exist', I suppose. Does objectivity exist objectively. That sort of thing. It doesn't keep me awake mights.
― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 7 November 2003 11:46 (twenty years ago) link
Fair cop. Concepts of that sort of course exist subjectively as part of the language game, but it is clear that the meaning is only ever fixed by concesus (one of the reasons why the overlap of a technical term and a conversational colloquialisms such as objective and subjective are so undesireable).
― Pete (Pete), Friday, 7 November 2003 11:50 (twenty years ago) link
Ah -- intersubjectivity then. I always love ILM threads like 'shd music reviewing be objective?'. But I sort of know what they mean -- early Suede OBJECTIVELY sound a bit like 'Aladdin Sane' era Bowie, I suppose. But. It's a battlefield.
― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 7 November 2003 11:53 (twenty years ago) link
seven years pass...
i feel like i understand the philosophical investigations much more than the tractatus. i can read each section and follow it from what i've read - whereas the tractatus i found very confusing. i'll have to go back and try again though, i haven't read the tractatus as a whole in about four years.
― jeevves, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 08:22 (thirteen years ago) link
seven years pass...
four years pass...