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Nah, you just wrap it so that the adhesive is facing away from your skin, and then double it back and tape over the tape, adhesive-down, so that if you sit down on something, you don't bring the chair with you when you get up.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 04:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

... or so I've heard.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 04:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

I gather it is caused by the poisoning of wells.

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 07:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

I changed my plane ticket from flying into HK, instead going to Kunming.

phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 08:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm scared. My ex-boyfriend is flying to China in two weeks. The *nice* ex-boyfriend who I'd rather like it if he stayed alive. I can think of SO MANY ex-boyfriends I'd like to ship off to China to get a terrible disease and die, but this one I'd rather stayed healthy. :-(

kate, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 08:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

phil, please tell me you're traveling with friends who can keep an eye on you. (I'm such a mother hen, sorry.)

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 09:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

where's your ex-boyfriend going to? i'll be going from kunming, lijiang, chengdu, leshan, xi'an, shaolin [!!!], and qingdao.

oh teeny dont worry. i'll be fine. i already bought a small packet of surgical masks here in bangkok for like $2. they even have a burberry trim. ha!

phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 14:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

Phil, where are you staying in Bk?

chris (chris), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 14:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm getting pretty paranoid about it. I jumped off a couple of London buses today because there were Chinese tourists who looked like they'd just got off the plane from Hong Kong. Every sneeze made me freeze.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 15:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's okay, Momus, only 3-and-a-half people out of a hundred die from it. And that half-person probably wasn't doing too well in the first place.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 15:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

chris: i was staying in khao san road because it was cheap... but i couldn't stand it anymore. so i moved to this hotel on soi ngam duphli and its a total rent-boy hotel! it's hilarious, but its air conditioned, and its cheap. The Malaysia Hotel. why, are you in bangkok now?

phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 15:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Phil don't make me start a thread where you have to check in once a day.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

One of my (soon to be ex) roommates is a little freaked because he teaches English in Flushing to Chinese immigrants. I've also heard that the State Department has issued some sort of travel advisory that Americans stay out of mainland China and Hong Kong, but I'm not sure if that's true.

hstencil, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

Always wondered what wasn't mainland China?

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Taiwan? The parts of Hong Kong that aren't Kowloon?

This prolly will kill today's rally in stock price:

"News Alert: American Airlines Plane From Asia Quarantined on Tarmac With Four Suspected Cases of Mystery Illness On Board"

hstencil, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

So, um - aren't they saying that SARD is a virus? And aren't virus' REALLY tiny? Can they get through a basic surgical mask, which (I seem to recall from somewhere) is designed to stop bacteria?

I'm am pretty upset about this whole thing - and rather disgusted that it's not getting more coverage. Of course, I've been reading all sorts of charming books about the Influenza epidemics and the various plagues that swept round the world, so maybe I'm jut oddly paranoid at the moment.

It's not surprising that stuff is arising in China, though - the proximity of humans, pigs, and chickens makes a ripe breeding ground for transmission and mutation of avian virus' to virus' that affect humans.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 18:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

Taiwan isn't a seperate country?

So, um - aren't they saying that SARD is a virus?

Mutation of the common cold is the last I read. At this point I dunno, Im just trying to stay out of the way of sneezing people.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 18:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

Taiwan isn't a seperate country?

Depends on who you ask.

hstencil, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 18:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

Aside from China and its lackeys who doesn't accept its sovereignty?

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

The U.N.?

hstencil, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

i heard on the news this morning that the first 'confirmed' case of sars has been reported in australia. a man from the uk, who had travelled to aus via singapore, and fallen ill after arriving in aus.
they showed pictures of nurses in masks 'checking' all passengers travelling through singapore airport, although they seemed to just be standing there watching people walk by with luggage.
i also wonder at the effectiveness of surgical masks against a virus, mslaura.

donna (donna), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

i also wonder at the effectiveness of surgical masks against a virus, mslaura.

Something to do with cutting back on the inhaled siliva transfered from hacking and coughing by the sick folk would be my guess.

The UN eh? Freaky. I should go poke around to see who does other then us and our southern neighbours.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

TAIWAN 4EVA U R ALL COMMIES.

Leee (Leee), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

And aren't virus' REALLY tiny? Can they get through a basic surgical mask, which (I seem to recall from somewhere) is designed to stop bacteria?

Viruses and bacteria are both individually too tiny to be stopped by any sort of typical fabric mask. The trick is this - to travel from host to host, a virus or bacteria has to ride on a droplet of moisture, like the kind that you expel in a sneeze or cough. While not a perfect defense, a simple stretch of fabric over your mouth will prevent most diseases from entering your respiratory tract. For example, if we were attacked using biological weapons, there have been tests with rodents that have proven that a double layer of T-shirt fabric held over the mouth and nose stands an extremely good chance of saving your life. As they say with the 4/4 backbeat, it's cliché for a reason.

(anecdotal remark overheard concerning these experiments: it's a bitch getting folded fabric to stay on a mouse's face)

Tracer's right too - the fatality rate is still a lot lower than some other things you can catch.

Millar (Millar), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

this is getting me excited!!! i love a challenge!!!

Steve McCroskey: Johnny, what can you make out of this?
[Hands him the weather briefing]
Johnny: This? Why, I can make a hat or a brooch or a pterodactyl -

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

I can think of SO MANY ex-boyfriends I'd like to ship off to China to get a terrible disease and die

the proximity of humans, pigs, and chickens makes a ripe breeding ground for transmission and mutation of avian virus' to virus' that affect humans.

lame.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

lame

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 21:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

do you have it in for me today gygax!, or what?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 21:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

are you the San Franisco of ILX()RZ or what?

:-D

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 21:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

hey does anyone do San "Franisco" FAPs? I'm up there almost every other weekend now.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 21:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

i'm gone for the next 6 weekends...

;-D

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 21:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thanks for the info, Millar - a lot of things now make more sense to me - really - I'll explain at some other point when I am more sober. But in the meantime, thank you *smile*

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 03:22 (twenty-one years ago) link


SARS = nature having a go at man/machine

mu, Wednesday, 2 April 2003 03:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Phil, no but IO was there this time last year, staying near the Nana plaza which was a bit of an eye-opener.

I just heard on the radio that the Australian government has advised it's people not to travel to HK, China , Vietnam or Laos. Take care Phil!

chris (chris), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 06:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

SARS or hacking smokers cough? I was very suspicious of the man sitting beside me on the bus this morning.

Lara (Lara), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 06:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

I used to see video of Japanese subways and other public places with some people wearing surgical masks, and I thought they were nutty, Michael Jackson-esque people paranoid about soot in the air or germs from other people, then I saw a bit on TV that explained that the people wearing the masks had colds and were trying not to spread them. I felt so ashamed.

nickn (nickn), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 06:26 (twenty-one years ago) link


ah yes ... the masks on japanese trains ...

there doesn't seem to be a simple explanation for that one.
a large number of them are suffering from kafunsho due
to overenthusiastic monoculture tree farming. all the forests
have been logged and replanted with a single type of cedar which
grows particularly straight. this has caused a huge percentage
of japan residents massive, massive allergy problems.

but that's not the only explanation for the masks ...

it's like all the sleeping commuters. i've heard that someone
is doing a phd thesis on that topic ...

logjaman, Wednesday, 2 April 2003 06:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Not to mention of course the continued hysteria since the sarin gas attack. And it hides the really, really bad teeth of most Japanese people too (no calcium in their diet).

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 07:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

I just heard on the radio that the Australian government has advised it's people not to travel to HK, China , Vietnam or Laos. Take care Phil!

Thanks Chris [and Teeny]. I'm sure it'll be fine. the places i'm going to in China are nowhere near Hong Kong - like a 40 hour train ride away. And anyways, the Australian/American governements are always warning their citizens against travelling anywhere. If we all listened, our holiday options would be limited to Ibiza and Canada. Are you Cabbage Chris, by the way?

phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 11:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

yes indeed.

chris (chris), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 11:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

Moderators: plz delete the racism in this thread. Who cares where the virus comes from? It's borderless now. And Brits calling J-teeth bad is a bit pot & kettle, no?

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 21:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm annoyed at a few of the ignorant statements from some otherwise smart posters.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 21:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

melt banana to thread

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 21:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

MODERATOR NOTE: Until the racism issue is worked out, I'm going to lock this thread. (Other mods, feel free to unlock if you feel this is wrong.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 21:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've unlocked this because I think that a CALM, RATIONAL discussion of SARS itself is too important not to have, especially since the media seems to be blowing it far out of proportion in local media, especially in places like Toronto (ahem) where there seems to be a death toll.

Now, that said, let's keep speculation to a minimum and discuss what's actually happening in our communities, and our concerns. Overtly racist stuff (and I'm still not convinced that there has been any, necessarily) will be deleted.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 3 April 2003 01:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://www.fimav.qc.ca/images/ven00h_2.jpg
Melt Banana = SARS CORE

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 April 2003 01:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ok as everyone knows I think racism = bad. However, there is the responsibility to stop known disease vectors, so special measures to check for SARS from problem districts seem no worse to me than any other food quarantine measurse etc. That said, there may be [and knowing canada and responses on this thread, probably is] a spectacular anti-asian anti-immigrant hysteria as a response.

Just as a cautionary note tho: anyone who's familiar with the history of AIDS knows that there was a contingent of gay people who strongly opposed the city of SF shutting down the bathhouses. However, in that case it really was in the public interest to support this measure, not least to keep gay people alive. I mean plenty of right-wing anti-gay whatevas may have supported the measure for all the wrong reasons but if they had been shut down earlier many more ppl. would be alive today. So yeah.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 3 April 2003 03:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sterling! I'm truly surprised and a bit disappointed by all of this. I can't believe some of the things that have been written on this thread.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 April 2003 04:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

Uh, there have been 1800 cases and only 60 deaths. Relax. I don't know the number of people living in affected areas, traveling to and from affected areas but I'm sure it's tons higher than 1800. CHILL THE FUCK OUT!!

Just wash yr hands after using the bathroom and before eating and cover your mouth when you sneeze. Jesus H. Christ.

That Girl (thatgirl), Thursday, 3 April 2003 04:15 (twenty-one years ago) link


Sean, good on you ... i would be truly worried about the state
of freedom of speech if mild jesting so quickly becomes the subject of censorship. Balanced discussion is helpful. And this
thread has carried a variety of informal opinions and reactions to SARS, fearful, humorous, reassuring etc...

BTW am I missing something? I don't pick up anything that could
be seriously classed as racist in the above.

logjaman, Thursday, 3 April 2003 04:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

us diseased Torontonians...

Yes, everything is normal here.

s woods, Friday, 25 April 2003 13:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Its more normal now then when it first started. Though now people are falling over in the subway all the time cause they are too scared to touch the poles.
Sadly its back to standing room only durig rush hour though.

Though between SARS and me eating a street sausage people thought I was a nut.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 25 April 2003 13:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Aren't you? ;)

I'm trying not to get too upset on the subway...people have always come onto the subway while they're sick and coughing up a lung, that's just the joy of living in an urban centre where people rely on transit to get to work or the doctor. Unfortunately now everyone is a bit more wound up than usual and people are afraid to cough. When I eat sugar or drink beer I get a bit congested in the lungs and have to cough, even though I don't get SICK, but now I'm worried that if I go on a sugar bender people will think I'm some sort of vector. But hey, if that clears a circle around me then maybe that's not so bad.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 25 April 2003 13:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

I havent seen surgical masks for a bit either.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 25 April 2003 14:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

ACtually, I'm surprised about that. I take the subway to work every day in rush hour and I've yet to encounter one individual with a surgical mask. People really aren't panicked too much. I'm not sure whether we should be or not, though I think the potential is there for this to get worse. At work they're talking of putting in place a completely inane half-measure: spreading employees around (so not every cubicle will be filled; shipping some others to a diff location entirely), limiting access to elevators, closing the lunch room, etc. I mean, I think you either quarantine people or you don't.

s woods, Friday, 25 April 2003 14:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

*falls over in happy contented laughter*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 25 April 2003 14:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

In japan its always been de rigeur to wear a facemask if you are ill but still out and about

This makes a lot of sense. Maybe it would be a good thing if this caught on here in the States, especially for people who are sick but still come in to the office. It's like "Yes, you are such a dedicated employee, but you could please not breathe when I'm around."

o. nate (onate), Friday, 25 April 2003 15:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

In japan its always been de rigeur to wear a facemask if you are ill but still out and about

i always thought that had something to do with the pollution in the area.

and as for toronto, the situation is getting blown a touch outta proportion. i mean we had our fap last week without the transmition of a single disease.
er...
ya.

dyson (dyson), Friday, 25 April 2003 16:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Great pic, Paul E!

Sarah McLUsky (coco), Friday, 25 April 2003 17:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

* Not to be confused with Paulie (Shore)

Sarah McLUsky (coco), Friday, 25 April 2003 17:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

We did sustan three spilled drinks and two bruises though.
At my office, its business as usual.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 25 April 2003 17:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Can't you see the burning hate in the cat's eyes?

"I am going to claw everyone of you TO DEATH"

rosemary (rosemary), Friday, 25 April 2003 18:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Meh. I think it's cute. That's probably why my hands are all scratched up.

Sarah MCLusky (coco), Friday, 25 April 2003 18:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

four weeks pass...
Now they're saying it may be from outer space.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 23 May 2003 15:42 (twenty years ago) link

nuh uh it comes from a civet cat!

hstencil, Friday, 23 May 2003 15:51 (twenty years ago) link

Well, one scientist guy thinks it might be from outer space.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 23 May 2003 15:54 (twenty years ago) link

that dude needs to get with the program:

Masked palm civets have short fur that can be brown, orange, red or gray, with black bands on the head and feet. They eat mostly fruit, weigh up to 13 pounds and have bodies that grow up to two-and-a-half feet long, with tails of nearly equal length.

Judging from their activity and feeding habits, infected civets do not appear to feel any ill-effects from the virus. Only a small number of civets have been tested so far. Professor Yuen declined to say precisely how many, but most seemed to have the virus.

It is possible that the disease originated in another species and then spread to the civets, he said at a news conference this afternoon, while adding that he believed that the disease came to people from civets. While no tests have been done, it is also "theoretically possible" that household cats could become infected, as they are very similar biologically to civets, Professor Yuen added.

The raising and slaughter of civets and other exotic animals should be strictly regulated to prevent further outbreaks of SARS and possibly other new diseases, he said, while contending that a total ban on consumption of them could not succeed. "It is very difficult to stop a culture; it has been there for 5,000 years," he said.

hstencil, Friday, 23 May 2003 15:56 (twenty years ago) link

'Professor Wickramasinghe admits there is no hard evidence for his theory; and researchers who have been working on Sars reacted with a mixture of disbelief and ridicule.

There is nothing strange about the Sars coronavirus, they said; it certainly evolved from other known viruses.

One leading expert said Professor Wickramasinghe's letter "must be a joke"; another said it is simply ridiculous.'

surely it is the Professor's name that is the joke here?!@@

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 23 May 2003 15:59 (twenty years ago) link

The best news of all is that apparently it's turned up in Toronto again (or it's suspected, anyhow). The weirdest thing about this new emergence is that it's well after the incubation period of 20 days since the last known case, and there were no obvious connections/lineage discovered as of yet. Great. Just great.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 23 May 2003 16:32 (twenty years ago) link

Well Hstencil doesn't add is that the REASON the civet SARS virus tranferred to humans was because, in China, they raise civets TO EAT THEM

THEY GOT THE DISEASE BECAUSE THEY WERE EATING KITTENS DO YOU SEE?

GOD IS A TWEE BASTARD

Millar (Millar), Friday, 23 May 2003 17:33 (twenty years ago) link

Well there up to five and they think they found the link. Another hospital transmission. The problem at the moment is the one who they think is the source already had it and recouvered.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:14 (twenty years ago) link

Has nothing to do with kittens. Everybody knows it was some guy who had sex with a gay green monkey in Haiti.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:19 (twenty years ago) link

Tracer, from the UK that doesn't sound such a weird name. Probably Sri Lankan, or just maybe very south Indian.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:24 (twenty years ago) link

Aren't they closer to ferrets then kittens?

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:27 (twenty years ago) link

They are cats! Does it matter? Somebody find a picture!

Millar (Millar), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:36 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.drudgereport.com/civet.jpg

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:40 (twenty years ago) link

SARS - mysterious lethal disease whose appearance is attributed to a virus spontaneously "jumping" from one species to another

AIDS - mysterious lethal disease whose appearance is attributed to a virus spontaneously "jumping" from one species to another

I need to not be so paranoid.

conspiracy theoristalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:44 (twenty years ago) link

From factmonster.com: "Civets are not true cats, but the civet family is related to the cat family (Felidae)."

j.lu (j.lu), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:46 (twenty years ago) link

Glad to see the old prejudices sitll going strong.

Mary (Mary), Friday, 23 May 2003 19:33 (twenty years ago) link

What 'prejudice?' They eat cats and that's how the experts are thinking the disease was transmitted, from raising the animals and handling the meat. Whether they should or shouldn't eat civets isn't my business, true, but the facts are the facts, is all I'm saying.

I for one am massively impressed by the way knowledge and research data about this disease has travelled through the international medical community. I think the way this has been handled by the WHO etc. is nothing short of amazing, really. Look at where we years ago with regard to similar new illnesses. Like Wow.

Millar (Millar), Friday, 23 May 2003 19:39 (twenty years ago) link

Im still a bit piss about the travel advisory.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 23 May 2003 19:43 (twenty years ago) link

It's the gleeful dissmenination of the 'facts' that is distasteful.

Mary (Mary), Friday, 23 May 2003 22:45 (twenty years ago) link

oh, okay

Millar (Millar), Friday, 23 May 2003 22:49 (twenty years ago) link


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