Throwing Muses: C-o-D

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But god now I need to listen to it so much and Ive no TM music on me at work :(

Trayce, Friday, 4 May 2007 01:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I find her lyrics pretty straightforward in describing emotional states or drawing fingernail portraits of events but that only goes to show I'm insane I guess

Edward III, Friday, 4 May 2007 01:39 (seventeen years ago) link

like "your dirty answer" - it's about getting ready to seduce somebody but then getting too drunk to pull it off. it's really a funny song.

I don't judge people
I just watch them till
it's time to look away

I want to look away now

Edward III, Friday, 4 May 2007 01:50 (seventeen years ago) link

or that other great line:

it's not my fault
it's not my fault you don't love me
when I'm drunk

Edward III, Friday, 4 May 2007 01:51 (seventeen years ago) link

"I'll start at his knees
And I'll end in his dreams"

('Start' - University)

Doesn't get much better than that.

SeekAltRoute, Friday, 4 May 2007 02:23 (seventeen years ago) link

damn ur getting me all excited about University, but it's at the office...

Surmounter, Friday, 4 May 2007 03:38 (seventeen years ago) link

kristin hersh = unflinching good taste, good decisions

Surmounter, Friday, 4 May 2007 03:47 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articles/on_first_listen/throwing-muses.htm

nice article Alfred!! i really liked your musings on the two sisters.

ALFRED, you should get the self-titled Throwing Muses from '95, i think it was - that's a Hersh/Donnelly reunion for ya right there! it sounds great too. u should also get Limbo at some point.

Surmounter, Thursday, 10 May 2007 14:48 (sixteen years ago) link

okay so i definitely meant 2003, um, i don't know where 95 came from, like at all. in any event, good album.

Surmounter, Friday, 11 May 2007 19:52 (sixteen years ago) link

thanks, surmounter, btw.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 11 May 2007 19:59 (sixteen years ago) link

=)

Surmounter, Friday, 11 May 2007 20:07 (sixteen years ago) link

I completely forgot about this pic. I took it at a TMs gig in Melbourne in '93. Kristin was mesmerising, staring off into a strange middle distance throughout the set like she was posessed.

http://www.memorygongs.com/throwingmuses_1993.jpg

Trayce, Saturday, 12 May 2007 04:21 (sixteen years ago) link

Seeing that photo makes me regret missing her last stop in Austin even more.

the ghost of cary grant, Saturday, 12 May 2007 05:22 (sixteen years ago) link

I watched while a friend of mine mentioned some guy she knew that she was attracted to while talking to some other friend of hers I didn't know and she said "he has green eyes". This flipped me out because I kept thinking of that song when I was at work last week.

Bimble, Saturday, 12 May 2007 11:44 (sixteen years ago) link

I just bought a sleeveless Hunkpapa on CD for a quid from the clearly-going-out-of-business record shop up the road. The LP's 18 years old and probably needs a rest.

Michael Jones, Saturday, 12 May 2007 12:19 (sixteen years ago) link

that is a beautiful picture.

Surmounter, Saturday, 12 May 2007 14:00 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah I am very proud of it :) That scan isnt great unfortunately but yeah. Got a whole lot of shots but that was the best.

Trayce, Saturday, 12 May 2007 14:13 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah

Surmounter, Saturday, 12 May 2007 14:21 (sixteen years ago) link

Nice piece, Alf (and pic, Trayce!). I am a torn between wanting to scold you for not finding the "seminal" first album and EP, and praising you for not focusing on it. But whatever. Rediscovered the Muses this winter after years away - pleased how well they hold up.

mitya, Sunday, 13 May 2007 05:14 (sixteen years ago) link

I am now listening to "Chains Changed" again, cause of this thread :)

Trayce, Sunday, 13 May 2007 09:29 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh man these guys rock.

"I asked this bedroom what to say
It said 'stay'
I have to sleep
Tangled in my family's hair"

Awesome.

Trayce, Sunday, 13 May 2007 10:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Chains Changed just seemed so insanely good when it came out, like jaw-droppingly, scary good. It seems in retrospect like that was probably their finest hour, but I admit I haven't heard it in a long, long time. I'm not really sure the Muses are something I feel comfortable pulling out now, they seem tied up with all this teenager angst for me, not a pleasant place to revisit.

Bimble, Sunday, 13 May 2007 22:34 (sixteen years ago) link

omg Not Too Soon, it just like evolved into a song of divinity. it was playing and it went from a normal place to a divine one, you know how that happens sometimes?

Surmounter, Sunday, 13 May 2007 22:48 (sixteen years ago) link

i dunno Bimble, there are so many high points later in their career

Surmounter, Sunday, 13 May 2007 22:48 (sixteen years ago) link

three months pass...

The debut Throwing Muses album was released 21 years ago this week in the UK on 4ad.

djmartian, Monday, 27 August 2007 10:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Really? I feel so old....

The first TM song I ever heard was 'Rabbit's Dying' on 6UVS-FM (as it was called then) in Perth, Western Australia. Yes, it is/was a university station.

I recall buying the LP the very next day.

SeekAltRoute, Monday, 27 August 2007 11:17 (sixteen years ago) link

The first thing I heard was a demo tape with an early, creepy version of "Stand Up" that got circulated around Rhode Island.

Jazzbo, Monday, 27 August 2007 12:26 (sixteen years ago) link

I just digitized my early 4AD vinyl this weekend. Still classic.

sleeve, Monday, 27 August 2007 15:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Classic. Without a doubt.

I prefer Tanya to Kristin, probably because in a throw-down i think she'd fight dirty; biting, scratching, knee's to the kootch - you know, whatever it takes. The partnership between Ms. Donelly and Ms. Deal, however, was a great match, and today i'll listen to that first Breeders album even before something as good as "Ramona".

christoff, Monday, 27 August 2007 15:51 (sixteen years ago) link

The Real Ramona and University are probably my least favourite of the Muses albums I own, despite the insane amount of love they get here. I think they're a touch too shiny sounding, especially University. House Tornado is classic from start to finish, it has a sort of raw countryish sound to it. I should probably hear the debut before I make any judgements on a best album though.

Tanya Donelly's songs are bright spots on the albums, they turn up just when you want a bit of variety. But Throwing Muses really is Kristin's band - it's the force of her personality that carries them.

Dave Narcizo's drumming is faultless as well. It's criminal how little recognition they get, honestly.

verhexen, Monday, 27 August 2007 22:11 (sixteen years ago) link

five months pass...

FACT: "Not Too Soon" sounds as absolutely perfect today as it did in 1991.

Alex in NYC, Monday, 28 January 2008 19:10 (sixteen years ago) link

It sure does! That whole album, actually.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 28 January 2008 19:19 (sixteen years ago) link

Because I'm such a blogwhore, do clicketh here!

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 00:54 (sixteen years ago) link

The odd thing about "Not Too Soon" is that it was one of the Muses' earliest songs — they were playing it live long before the debut came out — and yet it didn't see the light of day until album #4.

Jazzbo, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 15:22 (sixteen years ago) link

"Fish" blew my mind when I first heard it in 1987ish, and that still sounds just as good now, too.

nate woolls, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 15:26 (sixteen years ago) link

yea that's one of my favorite songs on the album now. after like alfred pointed out to me how good it was last year. really wonderful. it has an old-timey girl group thing about it too, great twist.

Surmounter, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 15:30 (sixteen years ago) link

Just found this link — "Not Too Soon" was performed live on a University of Rhode Island radio show way back in 1985. I remember taping this show myself.

http://www.throwingmusic.com/jive/thread.jspa;jsessionid=ABD334DD295D68E646FE8682488F55F2?messageID=5337ᓙ

Jazzbo, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 15:30 (sixteen years ago) link

Fuck. Try again. http://www.throwingmusic.com/jive/thread.jspa;jsessionid=ABD334DD295D68E646FE8682488F55F2?messageID=5337ᓙ

Jazzbo, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 15:31 (sixteen years ago) link

Never mind.

Jazzbo, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 15:32 (sixteen years ago) link

three months pass...

I'm curious to know if anyone else has a certain Throwing Muses song or songs that will come into their head now and again for some unknown reason. For me the main one is "And A She-Wolf After The War". Although I'm also haunted by "Walking In The Dark", "You Cage"...and that lyric from something on House Tornado when she says "keep walking/If I did the same thing/Five hundred times/could you see it in the dark?"

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 03:54 (fifteen years ago) link

I can't believe I wrote this almost a year ago to the day:

I'm not really sure the Muses are something I feel comfortable pulling out now, they seem tied up with all this teenager angst for me, not a pleasant place to revisit.

-- Bimble, Sunday, May 13, 2007 11:34 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 03:59 (fifteen years ago) link

to answer your first question, tar kissers comes into my head a lot. or snake off uni.

i can't believe you said that either!

Surmounter, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 04:08 (fifteen years ago) link

it must be some other thread where scott proposes that their debut is the best record ever made by a band whose members were all in their teens at the time. I think he's right.

sleeve, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 04:25 (fifteen years ago) link

Goodness, were they really all in their teens or are you shitting me?

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 04:51 (fifteen years ago) link

The duet with Bob Mould on Red Heaven, "Dio", pops into my head every once in a while. Deeeeee-oooooooo.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 05:00 (fifteen years ago) link

bimble yes as far as I know they were all under 20, Hersh was 18.

sleeve, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 05:10 (fifteen years ago) link

I think that is right, ya.

I used to quite often get "I have to sleep/tangled in my familys hair" stuck in my head unbidden from Walking in the Dark. And "Fish" pops into my head now and then, esp if I've been counting something, as I'll start going "one plus two plus three plus four plus five plus six plus six plus six"

Trayce, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 06:11 (fifteen years ago) link

There is not one band on this planet that could make a record that sounds like House Tornado.

Are there any comtemporary bands that could be compared to early TM?

Jack Battery-Pack, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 07:51 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.tobysnax.com/shop/

Thomas, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 13:22 (fifteen years ago) link

bimble yes as far as I know they were all under 20, Hersh was 18.
Yeah, they were all young ’uns. I remember running into David Narcizo at a club in Newport — this was after the debut came out — and offering to buy him a drink. He reminded me that he wasn't yet of age.

Jazzbo, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 13:32 (fifteen years ago) link


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