Larry Charles to direct Borat movie

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You feel that if the populace saw it, they'd take it to their hearts?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Are the people who'd get the wrong idea about Kazakhstan (from a comedy) a group that would otherwise engage in Kazakh tourism?

milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:00 (seventeen years ago) link

x-post -- This seems to be the theory with the other country being made fun of, yes.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:01 (seventeen years ago) link

That says something about the American heart that a) I'd rather not believe and b) I'd rather not believe about Kazakhs anyway.

xpost - It seems a decent idea to have non-poisonous views even on nations that don't depend on tourist Dollars (Iraq springs to mind :)

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean, viciously racist stereotypes are bad enough, but defending them because previously people wouldn't have had any views on that country as if that didn't make it worse is just completely WTF.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:09 (seventeen years ago) link

would Borat concept not work as well if he was from an imaginary 'Stan?

;_; (blueski), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I AM LOOKING FOR MY COZEN LARRY! + Andy Kaufman = Borat (also = me asleep)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:11 (seventeen years ago) link

So, are you all ready for "Throw the Jew down the well" or whatever to become the new "I'm Rick James, bitch"?

Stephen X (Stephen X), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean, viciously racist stereotypes are bad enough, but defending them because previously people wouldn't have had any views on that country as if that didn't make it worse is just completely WTF.

How does that make it worse? If a small group of people who didn't know or care that Kazakhstan existed before now have an incorrect view of it - who was harmed? They never would have patronized Kazakhstan and its industry, nor are they in a position to guide policy toward Kazakhstan. For all intents and purposes, Kazakhstan is as real to them as Hobbitland.

milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:17 (seventeen years ago) link

wtf milo

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:19 (seventeen years ago) link

It's THE SHIRE!

Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:20 (seventeen years ago) link

except that the jew song was out two years ago, and kinda already forwarded around by everybody back then.

but i am waiting for "All your base are belong to us" or "Wazzzzup" or "I wuz fuckin' mah momma!" whatever to become the new "I'm Rick James, bitch".

xpost

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:20 (seventeen years ago) link

'へ'凸 xpost

Allyzay (allyzay), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Still, I don't know what you all are on about. the Kazakh penchant for rape & archery makes it far more likely i'll spend my tourist dollars there.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:23 (seventeen years ago) link

I would totally be excited to see the Kazakh steppe and especially the Baikonur Cosmodrome

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Chico Marx vs Cozen Larry vs Borat vs Yakof Zmirnoff

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, the catchphrase being out-of-date is totally going to keep fratboys from yelling it out of cars.

Stephen X (Stephen X), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Borat is based on a Russian Doctor Sasha Baron Cohen once met. He said the Doctor was completely hilarious, but it was unintentional.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Tho i would be genuinely entertained by Borat's attempt at a Branson show

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Shakey Mo + internet connection = broken record

am0n (am0n), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link

holeeee shitttttt

geoff (gcannon), Thursday, 19 October 2006 03:57 (seventeen years ago) link

i have a low tolerance for embarrassment humor so big stretches were super uncomfortable for me, but jesus christ there are a million moments that are just not on film in any other way anywhere

geoff (gcannon), Thursday, 19 October 2006 03:59 (seventeen years ago) link

the film was very funny, but disappointing. not as consistent as an episode of Baron Cohen's old show, but when he hit, he hit it out of the park.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Thursday, 19 October 2006 07:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I bet they throw him down a well.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 19 October 2006 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link

now THAT would be funny

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 October 2006 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Watch the "Antique Shop" bit.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 23 October 2006 03:56 (seventeen years ago) link

when i saw an advance showing of the film i couldn't help but die laughing. sure, it was totally offensive and hardcore uncomfortable but for some reason, it didn't matter.

maybe it's cause it was so ridiculous that you know that his attitudes were exaggerated and untrue and maybe because at some point, you realize that many of the americans he meets are keeping pace with his character's fucked up attitudes... and kind of half wondering, "are these people for real or are they actors?" and even if they are actors, you know the attitudes they're expressing are completely real... unlike the exaggeration cohen's playing.

m.

msp (mspa), Monday, 23 October 2006 04:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Some unintentional co-stars speak.

One person who is likely to regret the day he met Borat is Tennessee rodeo manager Bobby Rowe, who is cajoled by the comedian into making disparaging remarks about Muslims and homosexuals.

A phone call to Mr Rowe and an enquiry about whether he is the person in the movie elicits a slow, painful reply: "Yeah, I'm the same one."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 October 2006 11:41 (seventeen years ago) link

But he says he has been stung by his experiences. "I got into this mess by someone calling me and telling me who they was and they weren't," he says.

"And so I don't do any interviews over the dadgum phone any more. This phone rings 10-12 phones a day.

Cohen must have struggled to make this guy look stupid.

ONIMO's lips can't feel! (GerryNemo), Monday, 23 October 2006 12:12 (seventeen years ago) link

to compare what cohen does w/borat to what yakov smirnoff does is pretty ridiculous.

M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:10 (seventeen years ago) link

in soviet russia foreigner satirizes you

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I would like to see Borat's World Trade Center mural. Yakov's I find lacking in many respects.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:23 (seventeen years ago) link

shakey, i'm trying to figure out if you've never watched borat or never watched yakov smirnoff (or both)

M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I am guessing both.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:41 (seventeen years ago) link

$5 says that Shakey Mo Collier is Cohen's newest character.

cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:46 (seventeen years ago) link

If that's the case, the sequel is going to be boring.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:51 (seventeen years ago) link

schakey baron cohllier

cocksure triumphalism at its most vacant (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 23 October 2006 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Borat's gunna be on the daily show coming up

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 03:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Apparently they are giving NYC screening passes from "Borat's ice cream truck," but damned if I can find the locations on his myspace.

http://myspace.com/borat

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 13:16 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.thereeler.com/features/beat_the_press_borat.php

Features
October 24, 2006
Beat the Press
The Borat media frenzy begs the question: Will reporters ever quit rolling over for studios?
By Lewis Beale

I was talking to a 20th Century Fox publicist last week about Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan, and the conversation wasn't about its alleged anti-Semitism or the way it picks on America's rubes and racists. No, I was wondering if actor/co-writer Sacha Baron Cohen was actually going to do interviews as himself rather than in character, as he's been doing for the past several months. The publicist wanted to know why I asked, and I responded that interviewing Cohen as Borat held absolutely no interest for me.

"It's shtick," I said. "And as a journalist, I'm not interested in promoting shtick. I'd really like to know why he chose Kazakhstan as Borat's home, why all the Jewish stuff is in the film and if he thinks that in many cases, the object of his satire is akin to shooting fish in a barrel."

Said flack was amazed I wasn't interested in a Borat interview; everyone else was dying to query the Kazakh buffoon. (If you don't believe me, read this. And watch a Borat "press conference" here). Which leads to my point: the toadying, craven entertainment press once again shows how it might as well be in the pay of the studios. Someone once said that the term "entertainment journalism" is an oxymoron, and these days, that's more often true than not. The competition for "stories" (I use this term loosely; it's really just a feeding frenzy for access) has become so intense that just about everyone has become a suckup.

Here's the thing: the film industry is a multi-billion dollar enterprise with a global reach. The images it puts out not only define how we see ourselves, but how others see us. Not that you'd know this from most entertainment "reporting," which is obsessed with celebrity, box-office gross and the vapid coming and goings of studio heads and power agents.

Back in the early '80s, when I broke in as a stringer for the Los Angeles Times, things were a lot different. The entertainment section ran stories about how the Mob was reaping millions from Deep Throat; the ways in which the cocaine epidemic was affecting Hollywood; and how the paranoid M.I.A. movies of the period (Rambo and all those cheesy Chuck Norris flicks) were presenting a distorted image of the Vietnam War's aftermath.

Can you imagine stories like those in any arts section in 2006? It's not just that editors and writers seem to be uninterested in real reporting (under the mistaken assumption that readers don't care), there's also the fact that slowly but surely, they've allowed the PR machine to dictate what they write, and even how it gets played.

Don't believe me? Just check out the outlets who will willingly sign legal documents stating that the piece being written, or the photo being shot, can only show up in the publication, Web site, etc. that the interview was scheduled for. In other words: You want the interview, you have to promise you won't sell it to another outlet. You want the photo, you have no resale or syndication rights. In some cases, you have to promise specific placement before you get the access you want.

I don't know of any other beat reporters -- whether they're covering sports, politics, business or what-have-you -- who are forced to sign away their rights. But on the entertainment scene, well, you want disheartening, check out any junket where the Webbies, TV stations, second-tier papers and other alleged journalists blithely troop up to the sign-in table and happily affix their John Hancocks to these documents. It's truly, utterly disgusting (don't even get me started on the sycophantic autograph-seekers, picture-takers and gift bag freebie sluts).

Luckily, I work mostly for outlets who refuse this sort of blackmail. And even though their stance has occasionally cost them stories they haven't backed down. In the last several months, I've had two run-ins of this sort: an interview with a B-level actor was cancelled when the paper I was writing for refused to guarantee a cover, and photos of a 20-year-old semi-unknown were not allowed when the same publication would not sign away their rights. Good for them; it's nice to know there are still some papers with ethical standards.

Which leads me back to Borat. Interviewing an actor in character has as much relationship to real reporting as the Oakland Raiders do to a good football team. It's blatantly crawling up the ass of the studio and giving it a big rimjob. You want to do it? Great. Have a fine time. But don't ever call yourself a reporter, my friend.

latebloomer: Veteran of the Mai Tai Massacre (latebloomer), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 15:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I assume Beale also rummages through Baron-Cohen's trash.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 15:48 (seventeen years ago) link

i just picture this guy arms crossed, notepad and pen in hand, staring sternly into a camera.

INTEGRITY

latebloomer: Veteran of the Mai Tai Massacre (latebloomer), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 15:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Interviewing actors out-of-character, all day, every day, for several decades = cutting-edge journalism

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 15:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I actually find it alarming and weird that you all insist on referring to Ali G by his real name, so I have to say this is an instance where I'm not sure that that integrity stance is OTM.

Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 16:57 (seventeen years ago) link

"The images it puts out not only define how we see ourselves..."

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oh give me a fucking break.

pisces (piscesx), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link

oh give me a fucking break.

What? That isn't true? Don't be naive.

Andrew (enneff), Thursday, 26 October 2006 01:33 (seventeen years ago) link

london premiere

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2006/10/boratG241006_228x371.jpg

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/img/galleries/borat251006/borat2G_350x271.jpg
"I have brought here with me my 11-year-old son, his wife and their new-born baby, who I am hoping to sell to singing transvestite Madonna," he said.

and their review

A little warning: There's some anti-Semitic banter (from Baron Cohen if you please) and male nude wrestling.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 26 October 2006 13:26 (seventeen years ago) link

bad news:

...earlier this week, 20th Century Fox slashed the number of theaters in which it plans to open Borat domestically to 800 from more than 2000, saying that Middle America has yet to become aware of the character. The film opens on Nov. 2 in the U.S. (and the U.K.).

Are these the same fucks that buried Idiocracy, or was those fucks at another studio?

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:20 (seventeen years ago) link


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