JAW ON THE FLOOR: Starbucks to Release Sonic Youth Celebrity Compilation (WTF)

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If you think they've sold out by doing this, you are fooling yourself.

I've explicitly stated that this is not my issue. Please reread my posts.

Does McDonalds provide health insurance for their employees?

The answer is no, but that doesn't mean Starbucks is a great company. Both these sites address some very important issues regarding unionizing and health insurance:

http://www.organicconsumers.org/starbucks/grinding.cfm
http://www.starbucksunion.org/ (This link has plenty of debate regarding the health insurance)

SY to Geffen, then the "underground" hipsters or whatever would think Geffen was cool??? Huh???

Years back, J. Marlowe wrote a review on A Thousand Leaves for Ugly American, and he talked about this idea that Geffen signed SY, in part, to help validate the label with other indie bands that might've been more suspect of signing to a major: Look we're not so bad we signed SY and let them do what they want. I'm not saying this was the case, but it's an intriguing view. I can see it happening. Geffen is one deviously smart dude, and after reading Mansion on the Hill, I can see the guy forseeing the possibility of some kind of commercial "alt-rock" movement and devising ways to cash in on it. I don't think that's so outlandish. I mean, it wasn't like SY were tearing up the Billboard or moving major units back in the early- to mid-90s.

info/criticism on fair trade and milk:
http://www.organicconsumers.org/Starbucks/index.cfm
http://www.globalexchange.org/campaigns/fairtrade/coffee/1795.html
http://www.globalexchange.org/campaigns/fairtrade/coffee/starbucks.html
http://act.oxfamamerica.org/campaign/starbucks_mtf

QuantumNoise, Sunday, 17 June 2007 21:00 (fifteen years ago) link

there was certainly the idea that they might break through via "kool thing," etc. at the beginning.

Tim Ellison, Sunday, 17 June 2007 21:07 (fifteen years ago) link

Ultimately I think the main thing all of this attests to is that it's pretty damned hard to maintain a middle-class lifestyle into your fifties and sixties based even on a successful music career if you're not a MEGA star.

Hurting 2, Sunday, 17 June 2007 21:10 (fifteen years ago) link

(not just in comparison to other chains, but *actually* remarkably progressive)

i don't think Starbucks is nearly as insidious as Wal-Mart or even McDonald's, but it is all about globalization, which is something I just don't dig. By design, I don't think globalization is good for the world.

there was certainly the idea that they might break through via "kool thing," etc. at the beginning.

That's certainly true. Was Sonic Youth instrumental in getting Nirvana to sign with DGC? I don't know that history.

QuantumNoise, Sunday, 17 June 2007 21:15 (fifteen years ago) link

Ultimately I think the main thing all of this attests to is that it's pretty damned hard to maintain a middle-class lifestyle into your fifties and sixties based even on a successful music career if you're not a MEGA star.

This is becoming increasingly true for all of us. It's scary.

QuantumNoise, Sunday, 17 June 2007 21:18 (fifteen years ago) link

xpost well ok but it's not just a middle-class lifestyle these guys want, they want e.g. a Lower Manhattan studio. I'd be surprised if anyone in SY is anything like struggling financially, but I could be wrong.

Euler, Sunday, 17 June 2007 21:20 (fifteen years ago) link

is there some irony being missed given that, as I understand it, Thurston is a stroller pushing Connecticut homeowner? Named Thurston?

i pointed out the irony earlier. thurston moore was the narrator for a documentary about the corporatization/commodification of music/the music industry: http://www.mediaed.org/videos/CommercialismPoliticsAndMedia/MoneyForNothing

also, i wonder if some of the folks defending sonic youth right now (for getting it on with starbucks, for playing daydream nation in its entirety in their current shows) are the same ones who dumped on the Who in 1989 for accepting corporate sponsorship for their reunion tour, and for (on a few occasions) playing tommy in its entirety.

Lawrence the Looter, Sunday, 17 June 2007 21:37 (fifteen years ago) link

The Who's first farewell tour in 1983 was sponsored by Schlitz. "Schlitz Rocks America!" And indeed they did.

Mark Rich@rdson, Sunday, 17 June 2007 21:48 (fifteen years ago) link

Sorry, it was 1982:
http://www.postergeist.com/posters/roll10/PIC00013.jpg

Mark Rich@rdson, Sunday, 17 June 2007 21:50 (fifteen years ago) link

Starbucks > Schlitz

Tim Ellison, Sunday, 17 June 2007 21:52 (fifteen years ago) link

I saw that tour. LOVERBOY opened teh show.

Tim Ellison, Sunday, 17 June 2007 21:53 (fifteen years ago) link

When I was fourteen I drank most of the Schiltz 24 pack in my grandpa's basement. xposts

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 17 June 2007 21:53 (fifteen years ago) link

not unrelated to the topic of "punks" "selling out," the clash opened a few dates of that Who tour. apparently they were conflicted about singing "career opportunities" at shea stadium.

but hey, it took a great beer like schlitz to bring the Who to america: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C95fEQNDclY

Lawrence the Looter, Sunday, 17 June 2007 22:10 (fifteen years ago) link

I like these underground bands that only make records and stuff that they sell only at gigs, and it's only available if you go to the gig to their merch table and they advertise it on their site and at different blogs and they'll list all these things like "edition of 50, only available on this little tour we're doing." So if you're a fan you kind of got to go to get the merch.

After doing some more thinking during my absence, it is this statement that really struck me about pfork's interview. Thurston's right in some sense, but he's making a comparison b/w Sonic Youth and "these underground bands" that doesn't hold up. *Insert noise band name here* selling tapes or lathe-cut records ONLY at their gigs is not the same as Sonic Youth selling a record ONLY at Starbucks. In this way, Sonic Youth is essentially saying, "You must go to Starbucks in order to listen to our newest music," which cannot be construed as anything other than an endorsement of a brand that I don't care for in more ways than one.

In other words, it's not as if I'm crying, "SELL OUTS!" They've been on DGC for years and tour great big venues with other great big groups, and often they put on a really excellent live show. What gets me is the endorsement of a brand that I think is responsible for much of the blanding of our nation's streets (remember what St. Marks looked like without three Starbucks facing each other?) and palates, not to mention the expansion of waistlines. It's the corporation that SY are dealing with that gets me going, not the fact that SY are dealing with corporations in the first place.

the table is the table, Sunday, 17 June 2007 23:00 (fifteen years ago) link

Starbucks > Schlitz

this is madness

strongohulkington, Sunday, 17 June 2007 23:01 (fifteen years ago) link

Indie is still cutting edge - music I've been most interested in this year: of Montreal, Ghost, the Fall, Jennifer Gentle, Mary Weiss album with Reigning Sound, etc.

Okay, let's think about this, Tim.
- Of Montreal have been making the same record over and over since 1997. They are not cutting edge, and the dude's voice is grating.
- Ghost are admittedly awesome, but they also been doing the same sort of awesome thing for many many years. To defend Drag City's output as "cutting edge" at this point is laughable.
- the Fall are a bunch of old fucking men.

So, how are they cutting edge? Or are they simply bands whose recent output you like? That is fine. But to call them cutting edge is absurd.

the table is the table, Sunday, 17 June 2007 23:07 (fifteen years ago) link

"You must go to Starbucks in order to listen to our newest music," which cannot be construed as anything other than an endorsement of a brand

No. They didn't make an endorsement. If you want, you can go in and buy the COMPACT DISC and leave without purchasing any of their vile corporate COFFEE.

Tim Ellison, Sunday, 17 June 2007 23:08 (fifteen years ago) link

- the Fall are a bunch of old fucking men.

The Fall is one old man and anyone else he can convince to be in the band, including your grandmother, Bongo Debbie.

Mr. Que, Sunday, 17 June 2007 23:08 (fifteen years ago) link

anyone seriously engaged in this conversation has already lost

strongohulkington, Sunday, 17 June 2007 23:12 (fifteen years ago) link

also, i wonder if some of the folks defending sonic youth right now (for getting it on with starbucks, for playing daydream nation in its entirety in their current shows) are the same ones who dumped on the Who in 1989 for accepting corporate sponsorship for their reunion tour, and for (on a few occasions) playing tommy in its entirety.

-- Lawrence the Looter, Monday, June 18, 2007 3:37 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

these are pretty old people, no? who gave a fuck about the who's corporate ethics in 1989 anyway? it's not like they'd done anything decent in three decades!

That one guy that quit, Sunday, 17 June 2007 23:14 (fifteen years ago) link

Of Montreal have been making the same record over and over since 1997.

That's absolutely fucking ridiculous. Listen again.

Ghost are admittedly awesome, but they also been doing the same sort of awesome thing for many many years.

They've stayed within an aesthetic but have produced albums that keep topping the last one in moving ways. Ways that are significant in terms of the whole history of the genres they're using. They are very, very good.

the Fall are a bunch of old fucking men

No. There's one guy in his forties. The rest are a bunch of young people from L.A. or wherever. He's had crap bands for a decade but this new one made a really good album.

Or are they simply bands whose recent output you like? That is fine. But to call them cutting edge is absurd.

Name me some aesthetic that is more cutting edge than the recent output of these groups please.

Tim Ellison, Sunday, 17 June 2007 23:16 (fifteen years ago) link

To defend Drag City's output as "cutting edge" at this point is laughable.

I wasn't. I was talking about one band they signed like ten years ago. I'll also defend Joanna Newsom if you want, though.

Tim Ellison, Sunday, 17 June 2007 23:18 (fifteen years ago) link

MES is fifty this year

That one guy that quit, Sunday, 17 June 2007 23:19 (fifteen years ago) link

already is, i mean

That one guy that quit, Sunday, 17 June 2007 23:19 (fifteen years ago) link

The track Elena sings on the new album kind of sounds like the Metal Boys.

Tim Ellison, Sunday, 17 June 2007 23:20 (fifteen years ago) link

And that's cutting edge in your face, ass.

Tim Ellison, Sunday, 17 June 2007 23:21 (fifteen years ago) link

anyone seriously engaged in this conversation has already lost

-- strongohulkington, Sunday, June 17, 2007 11:12 PM

mods make masthead

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 17 June 2007 23:24 (fifteen years ago) link

i have my tickets to the daydream nation concert in brooklyn this summer. YAAY!

poortheatre, Sunday, 17 June 2007 23:30 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't engage in debate with people who like Of Montreal and are past high school, Tim. Live YOUR fanboy life and let me live mine. I'll just be dancing.

Now I am done with this thread.

the table is the table, Monday, 18 June 2007 00:41 (fifteen years ago) link

Seriously, this is a thread of incredible stupidity.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 18 June 2007 01:12 (fifteen years ago) link

lol

Drooone, Monday, 18 June 2007 01:15 (fifteen years ago) link

HOW CAN IT SURPRISE ANYONE THAT SONIC YOUTH LOVE BAD FUCKING COFFEE? GET OVER YOURSELVE AND YOUR STUPID STANDARDS

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 18 June 2007 01:16 (fifteen years ago) link

You obviously come with an asshole, KJB.

You don't know how true this is, sugar britches.

Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 18 June 2007 01:17 (fifteen years ago) link

I thought we learned a lot: about coffee, at least. Am sad to find a thread where people simultaneously think that Sonic Youth are currently worth worrying about *and* that The Who haven't done anything decent in three decades, but that's kids for you.

dlp9001, Monday, 18 June 2007 01:21 (fifteen years ago) link

haha, "globalization"

river wolf, Monday, 18 June 2007 01:28 (fifteen years ago) link

these are pretty old people, no?

old people? hell, ancient. mid-thirties. which, ironically enough, is a good 15 years younger than anyone in sonic "youth."

the sy and pixies fans in my high school (and i was a huge sy fan up to dirty) gave me shit for wanting to see a "dinosaur" band like the Who. i distinctly remember saying to them, "yeah, well, in 15 years sonic youth and the pixies will be doing their reunion cash-in nostalgia tours." i was wrong on only one point: sonic youth never broke up, hence no need to reunite. but the nostalgia "did-i-ever-tell-you-kids-about-the-late-80s" thing is still all up in that.

who gave a fuck about the who's corporate ethics in 1989 anyway?

lots of folks gave several fucks about the Who's corporate ethics in 1989, like charles m. young in his musician magazine cover story: http://featuringdave.com/Data/Webpage/townshen/musician.htm

it's not like they'd done anything decent in three decades!

naw, they just made it possible for bands like the velvets, stooges, and sonic youth to do what they do: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L80BUs0EUh8

Lawrence the Looter, Monday, 18 June 2007 01:43 (fifteen years ago) link

To KJB, Mr. Lord Soto, and Tim:
http://www.lilysea.net/smdanjesstoast.jpg

Sorry for nastiness.

the table is the table, Monday, 18 June 2007 01:46 (fifteen years ago) link

I thought we learned a lot: about coffee, at least. Am sad to find a thread where people simultaneously think that Sonic Youth are currently worth worrying about *and* that The Who haven't done anything decent in three decades, but that's kids for you.

otmfm

Lawrence the Looter, Monday, 18 June 2007 01:47 (fifteen years ago) link

I call it Fourbucks.

Mark Rich@rdson, Monday, 18 June 2007 01:52 (fifteen years ago) link

Sorry for nastiness.

-- the table is the table,

They look happy! What's your point?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 18 June 2007 01:54 (fifteen years ago) link

Name me some aesthetic that is more cutting edge than the recent output of these groups please.

-- Tim Ellison, Sunday, June 17, 2007 7:16 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

the knife?

sry

lfam, Monday, 18 June 2007 02:16 (fifteen years ago) link

my point is that i am sorry for being a bit of a dick. glass is raised.

the table is the table, Monday, 18 June 2007 03:21 (fifteen years ago) link

Portia de Rossi?

dan selzer, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:48 (fifteen years ago) link

I keep reading this thread title as JAWN ON THE FLOOR and thinking it's a Hollertronix thread.

Alex in Baltimore, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:55 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.thecoolwaterband.com/landshark.jpg

am0n, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:29 (fifteen years ago) link

I mean, if Lennon's "Imagine" turned up in an army recruiting ad, I might raise an eyebrow...is there some irony being missed given that, as I understand it, Thurston is a stroller pushing Connecticut homeowner? Named Thurston?

Or maybe he rents...

I think he and Kim own a farmhouse in western Massachusetts.

jaymc, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 14:59 (fifteen years ago) link

five months pass...

It should be titled-

"Espresso to Yr. Skull"

stephen, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 02:45 (fourteen years ago) link

When is this out? I haven't seen it yet in any of the Starbucks I regularly patronize to buy delicious iced coffee drinks.

Savannah Smiles, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 10:03 (fourteen years ago) link

stephen just validated this entire thread.

Mackro Mackro, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 10:22 (fourteen years ago) link

obviously they read this thread, took to heart its superb arguments, and changed their mind

Matos W.K., Wednesday, 5 December 2007 10:25 (fourteen years ago) link


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