Twin Peaks: Classic or Dud?

IIRC the giant and the old woman with the kid are of the White Lodge, and Bob is obviously of the Black Lodge, but the dwarf's alignment remains unclear to me. If he is the evil part of Mike that he cut off with his arm, then the dwarf should be of the Black Lodge, right? But he doesn't seem to do anything evil, and he gives Cooper some obscure hints, just like the giant does.

lol xp

the dwarf, iirc, is of the black lodge but had some sort of dispute with BOB, prompting him to help coop?

garbonzonia or w/e iirc.

i'm watching fwwm for the first time tonight

yeah Man From Another Place is the curator/master of the Black Lodge, Bob didn't bring him his garmonbozia so he helped out Coop to bring Bob back to the Black Lodge and pay his debt

IIRC the giant and the old woman with the kid are of the White Lodge

no, all of those folks are of the black lodge, see FWWM.

this shit isn't supposed to make sense btw. i mean, we're lucky it makes ANY sense. did you see inland empire?

Very mundane question, is the full series still on the network's website for viewing like it was a year or so ago? (I can't check bcuz of webfilter at work)

only a couple episodes, sadly.

Leo needs a new pair of shoes.

new shoes

*spit/drool*

"Fleshworld"

secret diary of laura palmer = really disappointing. the dale cooper book = even more disappointing.

new shoes

this shit isn't supposed to make sense btw. i mean, we're lucky it makes ANY sense. did you see inland empire?

this is some bottom-line OTM shit here

i like the dale cooper book, it has a lot of pretty cool ideas (the severed hands holding black and white squares), it mean none of it resolves but what do you expect. I wish they could have done more stuff like that.

I think there's a difference between "making sense" and "introducing seemingly important plot elements that go nowhere". Most of season 1 and the the beginning of season 2 made sense to me, in a way a series like this can make sense, but as the second season progressed it felt more and more like they were just making up stuff as it went along. IIRC one of the main writers of season 2 admitted as much in an interview. The fate of the one-armed man is just one among many things that was just left hanging in the air. Maybe some of this stuff would've been resolved if TP would've gotten a season 3, but now we'll never know.

This doesn't mean all of season 2 was bad though, I liked some of the stuff that had little to do with the main plot, like Little Nicky and the love triangle between Lucy, Andy, and Dick Tremayne. I think the only sensible way TP could've continued after the murder mystery was resolved would've been to make it less about Cooper and Bob and the evil spirits, and more about the general weirdness and odd inhabitants of Twin Peaks. Kinda like what Nothern Exposure did later on, except that TP would've of course remained more creepy than NE ever was.

michael ontkean is really the forgotten man of this series. guess that's what he gets for playing the straight man to cooper's wackjob.

i love his character. it's kind of ruined slapshot for me!

i kind of have a genuine attachment to this show. characters, setting, music, atmosphere. it's something that i always look back on fondly and happily revisit. can't really say that about any other television show. and it's not really a nostalgia thing, i saw it for the first time when the gold box was released.

gold box and season 2 just came out on dvd in the UK

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Really hoping that someone intuits that I desperately want the UK Gold Box for my birthday...

i am o.g. motherfuckers. caught this in its original ABC run in 1990-91. owned the SP VHS tapes, then the EP VHS tapes. even had a bootleg VHS of the pilot. and i have the first issues of the twin peaks fan club newsletter announcing the first convention in snowqualmie (sp?) --in 1991, i believe. i had the laura palmer diaries, the access guide to the town, the cooper tapes book, and the cooper cassette.

That ad bugs me. The mystery was not "Where'd Laura Palmer go?!?"

yeah, that is annoying. would've been so much cooler if it'd said "Have you seen this man?" over the sketch of Bob.

I've still never watched season 1 of this all the way through or any of season 2 : /

fwwm -- started so promising. scene in fbi offices when bowie returns from hawaii was immense. kinda fell off after that with the laura palmer story, i wish they had further explored leland/bob instead of laura's breasts. was not feeling new donna whatsoever

any good stoner theory sites outthere?

fwwm is pretty scary stuff imo, just because it focuses so plainly and uncryptically on the whole child abuse angle.

yeah, it is heavy viewing

Yeah, I think one of the most interesting things about FWWM was that it suggested "Bob" may not have been an evil spirit rather than a persona Laura (or Leland, or both) made up in order to explain away how a father could do that to his daughter.

i find fwwm both terrifying and totally hard-viewing. But great. And yeah, in the TV show we're led to believe Leland is innocent, in the film he's not. He may be possessed, but he is aware of what he's doing.

yeah, i noticed that too, the last time i watched FWWM. you get the sense of a man who does horrible things and occasionally experiences remorse, rather than a man who only occasionally recalls what he's actually done.

also: that girl can scream, huh?

yeah, that is annoying. would've been so much cooler if it'd said "Have you seen this man?" over the sketch of Bob.

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, March 30, 2010 6:53 AM (2 hours ago)

hah!

even had a bootleg VHS of the pilot.

still have my vhs taped off the one and only time the pilot was shown on .au tv

am o.g. motherfuckers. caught this in its original ABC run in 1990-91. owned the SP VHS tapes, then the EP VHS tapes. even had a bootleg VHS of the pilot. and i have the first issues of the twin peaks fan club newsletter announcing the first convention in snowqualmie (sp?) --in 1991, i believe. i had the laura palmer diaries, the access guide to the town, the cooper tapes book, and the cooper cassette.

― by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, March 30, 2010 6:08 AM (13 hours ago) Bookmark

no trading cards, no cred

No action figures, no cred.

michael ontkean is really the forgotten man of this series. guess that's what he gets for playing the straight man to cooper's wackjob.

Let me agree with this, and extend it a bit; I think one of the rock-solid great things throughout the whole run is the friendship/professional camaraderie between Truman and Cooper. It's like something out of a Howard Hawks film--as all the weirdness goes on around them, both the great-weird and the weirdness that goes off the rails, their relationship never wavers. Except maybe once. One of the most disappointing turns in the series for me is the episode where Truman's holed up, drinking and brooding and fulminating about Josie. It seemed really out of character, for starters, but even more than that, it temporarily messed with Truman and Cooper's bond.

Truman/Rosenfield showdowns are among the best scenes in the series imo.

First season was fantastic, and then upon second season begins just to meander with no real direction.

The finale is what I want to see done with Lost.

the scene where coop meets up with truman in the bar to find out who will accompany him on his mission to one eyed jacks to save audrey, and truman reveals that it will be himself and the bookhouse boys was one of the most touching in the series imo

Truman/Rosenfield showdowns are among the best scenes in the series imo.

― in movie 2001 resurrect thread on planet jupiter (Pillbox), Wednesday, March 31, 2010 6:54 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

it's all about the buildup to the moment when rosenfield gives his speech about pacificism

"Now you listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman.:

That & the "blithering hayseed/chowderhead yokel" rant are like flip sides of a coin (& equally memorable).

The finale is what I want to see done with Lost.

WHERE'S WALT. ha ha ha ha WHERE'S WALT.

no trading cards, no cred

― in movie 2001 resurrect thread on planet jupiter (Pillbox), Tuesday, March 30, 2010 6:30 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

had those, too.

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That's photoshopped.

really now?

Yeah, you can tell because it's called "Agent Dale Cooper" instead of "Special Agent Cooper".