Eno/Byrne's My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts Reissued?

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How is this album a more "intelligent" use of world music elements?

Well, for starters, Eno & Byrne don't attempt to sing the melodies themselves, knowing they couldn't do it as well as the music that was inspiring them. For me that differenciates it from appropriation--they aren't standing off from afar worshiping the purity of something, they're unafraid of recontextualisation, but they're not going to try to pretend to be the source. It's like the way hip-hop musicians can respect the originality of the breakbeats sampled, but not be afraid of creating something new. Much as I enjoy the Beatles cute use of the "exotic," it comes off as basically an adornment, rather than an integral element.

It's like a record I heard of my parents' friend, wherein a group of aging white hippie women decided they wanted to create a record of "Native American" songs and chants, out of some (to my mind) misguided desire to honour "the" culture. When you want to recreate "world musics" like that, it seems to me you've got to bear an incredible responsibility to understand the music on its own terms--which if you did might make it clear you aren't in a position to recreate it. Eno and Byrne aren't beholden to that responsibility because what they're creating is overtly a fantasy--not a facsimile. I imagine they hoped that if someone were pulled most especially to the vocal melodies in the pieces, that person would seek out original recordings. They weren't seeking to replace the originals--whereas plenty of people only know the Sitar as a sound in the Beatles music (though I'm not sure that's entirely the Beatles fault).

I.M. (I.M.), Thursday, 27 April 2006 02:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I guess I always figured Byrne is as much or more interested in globalization and media effects than in "authentic culture" of other parts of the world. But this record falls a little flat to my ears regardless of that.

I also wasn't really so much thinking of the early hippie indulgences in "Eastern" music as just bad drum circles I observed in college. And I was also thinking of bad "World" music artists that seem to think their unique blend of hip-hop elements and traditional Kora music, or whatever, is really innovative. I give Byrne and Eno more credit than that in terms of their inentions, but the sonic results of the former and the latter aren't all that different to my ears.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 27 April 2006 02:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I.M., I don't see how your argument about how Bush of Ghosts recontextualizes world music, is not mere appropriation, doesn't attempt to replicate the original music (or replace the original music) without understanding it fully or understanding its cultural context implicates the Beatles in any way. I think a song like "Within You Without You" is also a "recontextualization" and a fairly serious one. I don't find it cute and I don't think it uses properties of Indian music as mere adornment.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 27 April 2006 03:13 (seventeen years ago) link

I put "recontextualization" in quotes, by the way, because it strikes me as a buzz word used to talk about "intelligent music" in which the "recontextualization" that is going on is perhaps the main aesthetic factor in the music. (And this being the case, if you want to talk about the music, you end up talking about this factor and you call it "recontextualization.")

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 27 April 2006 03:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Well to a certain extent it's a "recontextualization" for anyone from one culture to perform the songs of a geographically distant other culture. I mean if a folk singer sang a coal mine song at Carnegie Hall, it wouldn't have mattered how true to the tradition he was because he'd have been singing it in Carnegie Hall and not in a coal mine.

I'd venture that the difference between Harrison and Byrne in this case has more to do with the type of "recontextualization" they're interested in -- with Harrison it seems like it had more to do with experimentation and spirituality, with Byrne it seems to be more about anxiety and dislocation.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 27 April 2006 03:33 (seventeen years ago) link

http://bush-of-ghosts.com/remix/bush_of_ghosts.htm

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 18:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, looks like I joined this party wayyy too late for the YSI files -- any chance anybody would want to email me the mp3s of the deleted "Qu'ran" and "Jezebel Spirit"?

.... pretty please....?

Pober Saltine, Thursday, 11 May 2006 06:44 (seventeen years ago) link

You're not allowed to ask that any more, unfortunately.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 11 May 2006 06:53 (seventeen years ago) link

George Harrison was actually a fairly decent player - nowhere near the way that Hindustani classical players can play, but I think the Beatles used sitar well and he wrote some good songs after having studied No. Indian classical music some. Mike Heron of the Incredible String Band was also a decent player.

How is this album a more "intelligent" use of world music elements?

-- Tim Ellison (thefriendlyfriendlybubbl...), April 26th, 2006.

This is only tangentially related, but Jon Pareles and David Lewiston (Nonesuch Explorer series dude) were just on Soundcheck on WNYC talking about what "world music" is and George Harrison figured heavily in the discussion. The really interesting bits, though, are the parts where Lewiston talks about his first trip to Bali to record gamelan music:

http://www.wnyc.org/shows/soundcheck/episodes/2006/05/10

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 11 May 2006 12:58 (seventeen years ago) link

six years pass...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WSwpm0N8yMA/T8TAFLnG1mI/AAAAAAAAANY/tEZrq_u-Wxw/s1600/scan0001.jpg

http://mywalloftapes.blogspot.com/2012/05/life.html

still hissy, mastered very quiet, but still, better fidelity than the Ghosts bootleg

Milton Parker, Monday, 11 June 2012 20:29 (eleven years ago) link

four months pass...

Unfortunately, that's gone.

I recently pulled this out again as I got interested in finding out how Eno was using his AMS DMX delay box to do the cut-up vocals on this (that's been unsuccessful).

But a few days ago, I found an interview from 1980 with Eno in which he talks about MLitBoG a bit -- and plays a few rough mixes he'd done of "America Is Waiting" (sans vocals, which he calls "Garbage Disco"), "Mea Culpa" (just the synth arpeggio and vocals), and a very early version of "The Carrier" (I think -- I get some of those tracks on the second side mixed up). Pretty interesting stuff:

http://ubu.com/sound/eno.html

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 8 November 2012 16:56 (eleven years ago) link

oh, cool, think i've just heard an excerpt of that interview. thanks!

tylerw, Thursday, 8 November 2012 17:01 (eleven years ago) link

Rough mixes supposedly from a cassette Byrne gave to a guy when he was living in Alphabet City in the late 70s/early 80s. By far the best quality boots I've heard of this material.

http://bigozine2.com/roio/?p=1121

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 9 November 2012 02:04 (eleven years ago) link

two years pass...

Holy shit, this sound pretty familiar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIas_yxduDw

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 October 2015 18:40 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

Admittedly late but what am I missing here, Josh? Is that supposed to be a groove Eno and Byrne appropriated?

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 31 March 2017 13:46 (seven years ago) link

Kind of reminiscent of Regiment?

PURE, BEAUTIFUL OIL (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 05:02 (seven years ago) link

No resemblance at all. A groove's a groove's a groove.

Max Florian, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 09:54 (seven years ago) link

five months pass...

So this is being reissued again, on vinyl this time, with additional bonus tracks:

http://hhhhappy.com/my-life-in-the-bush-of-ghosts-set-for-vinyl-reissue-with-new-surprises/

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 14 September 2017 04:54 (six years ago) link

four years pass...

that's really interesting, thanks!

thinkmanship (sleeve), Thursday, 11 August 2022 17:12 (one year ago) link

The Rolling Stone article mentioned towards the end is fascinating as well:
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-album-reviews/my-life-in-the-bush-of-ghosts-252823/

I was expecting "sampling isn't real music" but it's a lot more nuanced, and encapsulates all of the criticisms that were levelled at world music many years later. Eno and Byrne just brush it off in their article.

So, I guess people from the past weren't a bunch of stupid racists after all. It also reminds me that I haven't read anything at all by Marshall McLuhan. He was huge before I was born, but when I was young it was all No Logo and whatever else you were supposed to pretend to read to be hip. McLuhan was a bit old-hat back then. I learn from the internet that he wasn't a real Marshall. That was just his name.

Ashley Pomeroy, Thursday, 11 August 2022 19:30 (one year ago) link

I never thought that Pareles review was able to land a convincing blow. Like: "My Life in the Bush of Ghosts does make me wonder, though, how Byrne or Eno would react if Dunya Yusin spliced together a little of 'Animals' and a bit of 'The Paw Paw Negro Blowtorch,' then added her idea of a suitable backup. Does this global village have two-way traffic?"... Is he really suggesting he thinks they'd be upset? Seems like they would each have died to hear what that would have sounded like!

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 11 August 2022 19:47 (one year ago) link

No Dunya Younes albums on Spotify

curmudgeon, Friday, 12 August 2022 15:52 (one year ago) link

seven months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR715ql1-Fk

MaresNest, Friday, 24 March 2023 19:55 (one year ago) link

that is awesome

tylerw, Friday, 24 March 2023 20:14 (one year ago) link


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