no, this: battered womens syndrome c/d
oh me, oh my
― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 14:42 (fourteen years ago) link
that was a fucking classic and i can't believe it didn't garner you all sorts of spermabans
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 14:43 (fourteen years ago) link
spermabatters
― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 14:46 (fourteen years ago) link
It's going to be pretty difficult to lead Maradona's team into anything other than ridicule but I'm sure he'll do his best.
I think it's unfair that Messi making the exceptional commonplace somehow makes him less worthy of admiration.
I wasn't intending to personally insult anyone and I apologise if I have. I love lower league last day of the season feats of heroism as much as the next guy but I wouldn't fetishise them to an extent that they eclipse your actual best footballers in the world doing it on a regular basis. It's the "regular basis" bit that makes them the best.
― what else could go wrong for (onimo), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 14:48 (fourteen years ago) link
And they're not eclipsing! Merely coexisting. Messi's genius isn't so much a genius of moment (unless he really does run past an entire international defence) as one of consistency, and the two appeal to different parts of my sporting appreciation. He's gifted with the ability to jink past everyone, so he does. He hasn't changed the way the game is played - yet. He's worthy of enormous admiration, because he works so hard at improving himself, and because he clearly think about his game.
― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 14:53 (fourteen years ago) link
the day Messi is caught with coke and hookers = the day he turns into Shane Warne* and becomes my favourite currently active sportsman <3
FUCKING LEGEND
there's nothing more boring than the Flawed Genius who has 5 great career moments if he's lucky and spends the rest of his life snorting coke and punching his wife.
― nakhchivan, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 14:56 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't mean he becomes a coke addict, I mean a single infraction (of which that's a cliched example - I could have said 'the day Messi goes on Countdown' or 'the day Messi takes up skydiving' or 'the day Messi gets caught painting the hippos at Woburn') which reveals a mind questing for experience
if he assaults women (which Warne didn't do AFAIK) then fuck him, also if he loses his life to drugs, fuck him
the case of Geoff Boycott is weird, because he was such a great sportsman and is such a wonderful commentator, but he did his his ladyfriend quite hard at one stage - twat, but arguably redeemable
― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:00 (fourteen years ago) link
Warne is not that sort of Flawed Genius; I was at pains to stress this! He redefined an entire sporting craft, for a start
― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:01 (fourteen years ago) link
hmm what part of hitting one's ladyfriend quite hard is redeemable?
― tomofthenest, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:02 (fourteen years ago) link
idk, the "quite" bit?
― what else could go wrong for (onimo), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:02 (fourteen years ago) link
what part of it is relevant?
different spheres. i don't really give two shits what a player's like off the pitch, though i do enjoy terry and cashley squirming in public because their entire on-pitch persona is exactly that of a pair of cunts.
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:03 (fourteen years ago) link
ts; althusser vs collmore
― nakhchivan, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:03 (fourteen years ago) link
*collymore
well he then got throat cancer and apologised quite profusely for his actions, and isn't a recidivist - dude's had his karma imo
but violence against women is something I find hard to forgive - hence 'arguably'
terry and cashley being brought low through no fault other than their own = awesome
― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:05 (fourteen years ago) link
"brendan is a top class accountant, but he was involved in a fracas with ulrika jonsson in a bar in paris. you've got to factor that in when looking at his balance sheets brian."
"john terry is a pub footballer you've never heard of that cheats on his wife. how do you feel about john terry?"
xp lj you didn't just 'karma' cancer.
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:06 (fourteen years ago) link
he survived it and still has a very successful career to add to his pretty successful life - I'm not saying all cancer is karma - often it's tragic - but sometimes something like that fits snugly into a metanarrative
not saying terry/cole deserve to have their football judged according to their off-field acts, but their personalities certainly can be
― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:12 (fourteen years ago) link
STFU about cricket, dudes.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:13 (fourteen years ago) link
i mean yeah it's not good to factor cancer into karma, sorry. i'm just trying to show how Boycott shouldn't just be defined by his striking of a woman, but how hard it is not to
argh i've only gone and run the ball into my own net, out of the statium, and off towards beachy head ;_;
― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:15 (fourteen years ago) link
there is something amiss in this need for footballers to ingratiate themselves via various extracurricular escapades. don't really get this ah fuck, jimmy bullard, fuckin legend son shit, football is such a simple game and doesn't depend on paratextual piffle.
nor is football an ideal venue for esotericism, sure i like yr psychotic south slavic playmakers and tortured nu maradonas but i prefer that out of all the millions of kids the world over who try for a football career, there is one who is arguably the best at the somewhat counterintuitively privileged skill of kicking a ball.
very few people will have heard of giacinto scelsi or the young marble giants let alone agree to their greatness but only cavilling contrarians would argue with messi's place in the hierarchy.
― nakhchivan, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:17 (fourteen years ago) link
young marble giants, even
i think you mean the young marble giants
― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:18 (fourteen years ago) link
No he means young marble giants.
― what else could go wrong for (onimo), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:20 (fourteen years ago) link
also I am saying quite clearly in this thread that Messi has a great chance of joining the pantheon - in fact it is almost inevitable - but as I keep saying anyone can be the 'best' at kicking a ball, for a moment - the ontology of 'best' is limitless and confusing
― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:21 (fourteen years ago) link
scans better with the but not actually correct innit xxp
― nakhchivan, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:21 (fourteen years ago) link
oh wait haha i thought he was correcting a phantom spelling error, rather than amending out a 'the'
there isn't anything confusing about the inarguable fact that no other top level footballer has the glue feet messi showed eg vs zaragoza, and manipulating a football with feet needn't be considered metaphysically wrt its importance in playing football
― nakhchivan, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:24 (fourteen years ago) link
at this point I should just admit defeat, right
― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:29 (fourteen years ago) link
where the skills needed for football, in terms of offensive play, can be separated from general physical talents such as pace, strength, height, etc, then messi is peerless. c ronaldo is quick, strong and tall, rooney's excess fat gives him a ballast advantage, drogba can power opponents out of the way.
these guys all combine these physical advantages with footballing skills to great effect, but the fact that messi is up there without those physical advantages has a lot to do with why he's admired on another level by so many imo
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:30 (fourteen years ago) link
that was the best argument in that sid lowe piece
When it comes to the inevitable and often tedious comparisons with Cristiano Ronaldo, one of the things that is often said about Messi is that he is not as complete.........Ronaldo is invariably described as more complete than Messi – stronger, faster, bigger, more athletic. But aren't they all part of the same package, an obsession with physical strength? Isn't that a pretty incomplete reading of complete?
― nakhchivan, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:35 (fourteen years ago) link
What height was Maradona again?
― The Oort Locker (Tom D.), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:36 (fourteen years ago) link
messi isn't exactly slow tbh, nor slight
― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:38 (fourteen years ago) link
why only yesterday mr nakhchivan was emphasising how his stoutness of calf would ward off even the staunchest of shawcrossings
― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:39 (fourteen years ago) link
He's no Arshavin
― The Oort Locker (Tom D.), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:39 (fourteen years ago) link
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yes, your imaginary antagonists have made you look quite silly.
― caek, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:40 (fourteen years ago) link
ADMIT DE FEET OF MESSI AS ARTICLE NO 1 AS EVIDENCE IMO
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:42 (fourteen years ago) link
tbh caek as ever I've pretty much played myself
― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:45 (fourteen years ago) link
sometimes you are just too real for this board.
― caek, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:46 (fourteen years ago) link
Worth noting that wee tiny Messi would be wee-er and tinier if Barca hadn't given him treatment for a growth hormone deficiency.
― what else could go wrong for (onimo), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:52 (fourteen years ago) link
Aye, otherwise he might just have been the Argentinian Pat Nevin
― The Oort Locker (Tom D.), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:53 (fourteen years ago) link
so he's a drug cheat
― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:54 (fourteen years ago) link
nakhchivan w/ some unexpected sectarian football moralising here.
― ogmor, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:55 (fourteen years ago) link
i may have been attempting to argue against him (and largely losing) but nakhchivan is on some serious awesome-fucking-football-analysis tip - his posting is A+ and his use of modernist crit dialectic is to be encouraged
― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:59 (fourteen years ago) link
sectarian?
― nakhchivan, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 16:03 (fourteen years ago) link
secretarial
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 16:05 (fourteen years ago) link
try to avoid milibandian moralizing tbh but if that's what it takes to subdue lj's bullardian intifada, so be it
― nakhchivan, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 16:09 (fourteen years ago) link
bullardian antipasta
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 16:11 (fourteen years ago) link
You trying to make like nakh's special friend is starting to bug me more than all this Messi-worship tbh. I'm gonna find me a really shit lower-division poster and lionise him instead.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 16:12 (fourteen years ago) link
i love bullard as much as anyone, and i'm not wishing harm on him or anything, but most pics i see of the dude off pitch make it look like the guy has maybe 6 months left to live or something:
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00429/Jimmy_Bullard_682x4_429252a.jpg
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 16:13 (fourteen years ago) link
the warmth of lj's maternal embrace is a beautiful way to welcome new football posters into the fold imo.
Awesome post darragh
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 16:15 (fourteen years ago) link