i used to like that ronaldinho took pleasure in his greatness, and he was never shy with praising his teammates
Yes, I think he said Henrik Larsson was his hero at one point!
― The Oort Locker (Tom D.), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 13:02 (fourteen years ago) link
andy carroll stuck one on steven taylor?? man i already knew dude was gonna be a kitson x shearer dickhead to savour over the coming years but this just puts the tin hat on it. all hail your new #9 king:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_hx1U8gDRC00/SWq3hH5K-GI/AAAAAAAAAHA/DsFMYEeQzSY/s400/andy+carroll+cornrow.JPG
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 13:02 (fourteen years ago) link
maybe we should start a thread where we all basically lap dance for him for 200 posts until people start disliking him out of spite
― MPx4A, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 13:04 (fourteen years ago) link
Ronaldinho, lovely fellow:
"With Henrik leaving us at the end of the season this club is losing a great scorer, no question. But I am also losing a great friend. Henrik was my idol and now that I am playing next to Henrik Larsson it is fantastic."
― The Oort Locker (Tom D.), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 13:05 (fourteen years ago) link
The joy in the unexpected things that Ronaldinho would come up with was a great thing but yeah, he's got to be brilliant first or he might as well be a clown. But you can underachieve by going in the other direction too - I'm thinking of Shearer and his one career trophy
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 13:05 (fourteen years ago) link
OMG <3 AC24 GONNA TAKE THE EPL BY STORM NEXT SEASON
― MPx4A, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 13:06 (fourteen years ago) link
ITT: carollus magnus 'king' novocastriensis
(kitson x shearer)
shit x cunt
― nakhchivan, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 13:06 (fourteen years ago) link
LJ- I don't really understand this 'ok so i don't like him because most of his goals don't come out of the blue' thing. He's the sort of player who will win the ball and take on 3 players trying to hack at his feet and score... is that not out of the blue? How more surprising must a goal be to impress you? Will he have to score from taking a goal kick because Valdes is lol rubbish at them?
An awesome player who is super unfashionable and at a lol country stealing the show you say? We have a few options:
http://www.topnews.in/sports/files/Nicklas-Bendtner.jpghttp://img.skysports.com/08/03/218x298/ZdravkoKuzmanovic_750936.jpghttp://news.dipag.com/pictures/lowres/20060312/David-Suazo-walks-0000006239.jpghttp://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u36/CaptainSneddon/AlexisSanchez.jpg
and a trio of exciting players from the most underrated team going into this
http://www.baybul.com/resimler/Resim-190309-1115/1225-diego+forlan-1.jpghttp://www.raxanreeb.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/luis-suarez.jpghttp://www.cbc.ca/sports/fifau20/assets/contentImages/newsmakers/edinson-cavani.jpg
if uruguay make it to the semis, don't say yr friend with the crazy footballing opinions didnt warn ye
― he might have even have gone in. (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 13:26 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't know who half these guys are, but I like your thinking
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 13:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Bendtner, Kuzmanovic, Suazo, Sanchez, Forlan, Suarez, Cavani.
― he might have even have gone in. (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 13:30 (fourteen years ago) link
think you have the wrong suazo, david rather than humberto?
― nakhchivan, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 13:32 (fourteen years ago) link
maybe both sure
neither very good tho
maybe Serbia
remind me of the blond nedved looking dude at CSKA (Krasic?)- he is a definite star turn waiting to happen
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 13:35 (fourteen years ago) link
these aren't exactly recondite names, krasic would probably sell for around £20m and luis suarez even more
― nakhchivan, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 13:36 (fourteen years ago) link
They rarely are though - Milla is the only genuine unknown I can think of who stepped up at a recent World Cup
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 13:39 (fourteen years ago) link
No player is going to burst out of 'nowhere' to shine at a world cup this summer.
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 13:40 (fourteen years ago) link
and even roger milla seems to have played in the french first division for years before 1990
― nakhchivan, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 13:43 (fourteen years ago) link
For about thirty years.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 13:47 (fourteen years ago) link
Well there are still unknown quantities in world football but I'd think it very hard to believe there is some African striking God currently going unknown; a New Zealander who didn't take up rugby instead or someone from the middle east more worried about whether he'd get shot by the fans than being awesome.
― he might have even have gone in. (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 13:53 (fourteen years ago) link
smh all this lower league real English football played by real English men who hit people nonsense. Of course 3rd division fans leap with joy at sclaffed crosses hitting the top corner and at their cult clogger figure taking ball plus man plus man behind him and anything else that happens to be nearby, but none of these things (particularly when it's not your team) is even close to matching a Messi or a Best or a Maradona in full flight with a ball glued to his toe.
I get the impression here that Messi's genius needs to expose a flaw to make him less boring when in actuality there's nothing more boring than the Flawed Genius who has 5 great career moments if he's lucky and spends the rest of his life snorting coke and punching his wife.
This isn't remotely what I've been saying. You're deriving a pretty crass stereotype from my sentiments. I am NOT only concerned with 'lower league real English football played by real English men' - I spend more time thinking about the Premier League and European football than I do Charlton! I don't believe lower-league football is 'real' as opposed to top-level football. Your generalisations of my beliefs are insulting.
What I'm saying is that football is a large church, and it permits all denominations a pew. You can have your hardworking striving-for-consistent-genius Messi types; doubtless if he's still turning it on in ten years he'll achieve a similar status in my mind to Sachin Tendulkar, who's potentially his nearest sporting equivalent of modern times. I still cheer Tendulkar, his wondrous, impregnable technique, his copious achievements, his occasionally transcendent act of truth (Messi's equivalent of the 200 in an ODI could be a WC hat-trick - he isn't there yet but I have no doubt he'll do incredible things in his career). I dearly love Tendulkar and fully understand the worship. But Messi is at the start of his career. Furthermore, Tendulkar will never bash a brilliant 60* from number 9 to win a Test; he'll never bowl a five-wicket spell to turn a match around. He won't do anything dramatic out of *nowhere*; when he takes to the crease, it is the expectation of a billion Indians that he'll do the business, and the only way he can exceed expectations is to do the unthinkable. Messi must follow suit if I am to lionise him equally.
But I am not solely concerned with acts of unpredictability and maculate agency. Indeed, the Flawed Genius who beats his wife and wrecks his body is of little interest to me; he is talented but has elected himself out of the pantheon. The flawed geniuses I am compelled by are those who try their damnedest and create an achievement of personality and memory, even while their recorded feats may not exceed a few. Most of all I am interested in anything good or remarkable (hence, not any old sliced cross into the top corner - the aesthetics have to be singular or spectacular) that I bear witness to on a football pitch. Naturally, at higher levels of the game, there is more exposure, and more prestige - and perhaps a greater level of skill required to best the opposition - but I am saying that while we praise Messi for his Tendulkar-like march upon statistical and popular dominance, we must keep an open mind for the lower-league footballer who dances through a defence with the ball glued to his toe. It does happen now and then.
― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 13:55 (fourteen years ago) link
cos those defences are shit. next!
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 14:01 (fourteen years ago) link
Firstly can I mention how much I hate 'genius' being used in sporting terms? I guess a manager can be 'genius' but being able to hit a six or round three players is 'talent'. Or am I rong here?
Also wanna talk flawed 'genius? Growth hormone deficiency has different effects at different ages. In newborn infants the primary manifestations may be hypoglycemia or micropenis, while in later infancy and childhood, growth failure is more likely. Deficiency in adults is rare, but may feature diminished lean body mass, poor bone density, and a number of physical and psychological symptoms. Psychological symptoms include poor memory, social withdrawal, and depression, while physical symptoms may include loss of strength, stamina, and musculature. Other hormonal or glandular disorders frequently coincide with diminished growth hormone production.
― he might have even have gone in. (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 14:02 (fourteen years ago) link
lj the thing that bugs me about yr point is you are fighting against no one. we all still like seeing underdogs and lol lame lower league players do something of accidental brilliance. no one looks down on it here and as far as i can tell no one takes the insiped 'i support united and they have won more than yr team so i must like/know more about football than you do' 6 yr old argument. we can and do appreciate both. but is messi less exciting because he plays for a big team? should we back off from enjoying his brilliance because something exciting also happened on the football league show w/ manesh? can't we just shut up and enjoy both?
― he might have even have gone in. (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 14:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Being able to hit a six is talent, being able to average 50 and score 150+ in a ODI more than 5 times in a career while shouldering the burden of an entire people's expectation and never falling foul of personal demons once = genius
if Messi grows up to be half the sportsman Tendulkar is I will gladly declare him a genius of our time - but he won't be the only one. He is singular, perhaps, but what will beatify him is a genuine attempt upon the illusion of immortality.
I am saying that Messi IS exciting, but we KNOW he is exciting - it is a problem of expectation, which he must surmount
― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 14:08 (fourteen years ago) link
he is surmounting it and has been for a few years now. he's had expectation as a burden since ronaldinho declared him the best player in the world three years ago or more, and he wears it extremely well.
rooney has been a 'developing talent' for twice as long as messi has been a great footballer.
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 14:13 (fourteen years ago) link
I think we can safely say Rooney is a great footballer now.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 14:25 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah i agree with that, but only since the beginning of this season imo, and possibly in the o of anyone outside of the daily mirror influence zone.
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 14:27 (fourteen years ago) link
also Messi needs to score more flying volleys and first-time blaps if I'm really gonna love him ;)
― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 14:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Thierry Henry = Brian Lara - so many different shots, so many different and wondrous actions, such rich form, such glorious plunder, and an even more varied and outlandish cavalcade of iconic moments than Messi/Tendulkar - never really led his nation to great things - didn't have that intangible fire of continual improvement
― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 14:32 (fourteen years ago) link
first time blaps relates to losing ur virginity to a granwhore, yes/no?
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 14:32 (fourteen years ago) link
hahahahaha
― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 14:33 (fourteen years ago) link
can't believe that lionel messi hasn't led his nation to great things he is shit
In the next match against Serbia, Messi became the youngest player to represent Argentina at a World Cup when he came on as a substitute for Maxi Rodríguez in the 74th minute. He assisted Hernán Crespo's goal within minutes of entering the game and also scored the final goal in the 6–0 victory, making him the youngest scorer in the tournament and the sixth youngest goalscorer in the history of the World Cup.[97] Messi started in Argentina's following 0–0 tie against the Netherlands.[98] In the following game against Mexico, Messi came on as a substitute in the 84th minute, with the score tied at 1–1. He appeared to score a goal, but it was ruled offside[99][100] with Argentina needing a late goal in extra time to proceed. Coach José Pekerman left Messi on the bench during the quarter-final match against Germany, which they lost 4–2 on a penalty shootout.[101]
2007 Copa América Messi at the Copa América 2007Messi played his first game in the Copa América 2007 on 29 June 2007, when Argentina defeated United States 4–1 in the first game. In this game, he showed his capabilities as a playmaker. He set up a goal for fellow striker Hernán Crespo and had numerous shots on target. Tevez came on as a substitute for Messi in the 79th minute and scored minutes later.[102]
His second game was against Colombia, in which he won a penalty that Crespo converted to tie the game at 1–1. He also played a part in Argentina's second goal as he was fouled outside the box, which allowed Juan Roman Riquelme to score from a freekick, and increase Argentina's lead to 3–1. The final score of the game was 4–2 in Argentina's favor and guaranteed them a spot in the tournament's quarterfinals.[103]
In the third game, against Paraguay the coach rested Messi having already qualified for the quarter-finals. He came off the bench in place of Esteban Cambiasso in the 64th minute, with the score at 0–0. In the 79th minute he created a goal for Javier Mascherano.[104] In the quarter-finals, as Argentina faced Peru, Messi scored the second goal of the game, from a Riquelme pass in a 4–0 win.[105] During the semi-final match against Mexico, Messi scored a lob over Oswaldo Sánchez to see Argentina through to the final with a 3–0 win.[106]
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 14:34 (fourteen years ago) link
the day Messi is caught with coke and hookers = the day he turns into Shane Warne* and becomes my favourite currently active sportsman <3
*the sort of flawed genius who never or rarely compromised his sporting talents or sporting intellect - was just a dude who didn't do it straight and narrow - hence the sort of flawed genius I adore beyond all reason. dude's life spun a yarn. LITERALLY AMIRITE
dmac that's not exactly leading his nation single-handedly to great things, please try and do batter than the second goal in a 4-0 win over peru
― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 14:36 (fourteen years ago) link
he's 21, he plays for one of the best teams in the world. the opportunity to lead trinidad to a world cup has sadly passed him by.
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 14:38 (fourteen years ago) link
hang on why did I type 'batter'
― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 14:39 (fourteen years ago) link
getting flashbacks of my worst ILX moment here
― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 14:40 (fourteen years ago) link
grannybatter
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 14:40 (fourteen years ago) link
no, this: battered womens syndrome c/d
oh me, oh my
― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 14:42 (fourteen years ago) link
that was a fucking classic and i can't believe it didn't garner you all sorts of spermabans
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 14:43 (fourteen years ago) link
spermabatters
― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 14:46 (fourteen years ago) link
It's going to be pretty difficult to lead Maradona's team into anything other than ridicule but I'm sure he'll do his best.
I think it's unfair that Messi making the exceptional commonplace somehow makes him less worthy of admiration.
I wasn't intending to personally insult anyone and I apologise if I have. I love lower league last day of the season feats of heroism as much as the next guy but I wouldn't fetishise them to an extent that they eclipse your actual best footballers in the world doing it on a regular basis. It's the "regular basis" bit that makes them the best.
― what else could go wrong for (onimo), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 14:48 (fourteen years ago) link
And they're not eclipsing! Merely coexisting. Messi's genius isn't so much a genius of moment (unless he really does run past an entire international defence) as one of consistency, and the two appeal to different parts of my sporting appreciation. He's gifted with the ability to jink past everyone, so he does. He hasn't changed the way the game is played - yet. He's worthy of enormous admiration, because he works so hard at improving himself, and because he clearly think about his game.
― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 14:53 (fourteen years ago) link
FUCKING LEGEND
there's nothing more boring than the Flawed Genius who has 5 great career moments if he's lucky and spends the rest of his life snorting coke and punching his wife.
― nakhchivan, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 14:56 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't mean he becomes a coke addict, I mean a single infraction (of which that's a cliched example - I could have said 'the day Messi goes on Countdown' or 'the day Messi takes up skydiving' or 'the day Messi gets caught painting the hippos at Woburn') which reveals a mind questing for experience
if he assaults women (which Warne didn't do AFAIK) then fuck him, also if he loses his life to drugs, fuck him
the case of Geoff Boycott is weird, because he was such a great sportsman and is such a wonderful commentator, but he did his his ladyfriend quite hard at one stage - twat, but arguably redeemable
― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:00 (fourteen years ago) link
Warne is not that sort of Flawed Genius; I was at pains to stress this! He redefined an entire sporting craft, for a start
― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:01 (fourteen years ago) link
hmm what part of hitting one's ladyfriend quite hard is redeemable?
― tomofthenest, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:02 (fourteen years ago) link
idk, the "quite" bit?
― what else could go wrong for (onimo), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:02 (fourteen years ago) link
what part of it is relevant?
different spheres. i don't really give two shits what a player's like off the pitch, though i do enjoy terry and cashley squirming in public because their entire on-pitch persona is exactly that of a pair of cunts.
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:03 (fourteen years ago) link
ts; althusser vs collmore
― nakhchivan, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:03 (fourteen years ago) link
*collymore