Alex Chilton RIP 2010

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*suggests reviving thread: primitivism vs. virtuoso*

✌.✰|ʘ‿ʘ|✰.✌ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 19 March 2010 18:42 (fourteen years ago) link

the funny and relatively unique thing about Chilton was that he was both

famous for hating everything (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 19 March 2010 18:45 (fourteen years ago) link

dude recorded/engineered the gories ffs. can u pls take the zzzz to another thread pls?

✌.✰|ʘ‿ʘ|✰.✌ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 19 March 2010 18:46 (fourteen years ago) link

sorry shasta :(

continue on with the much more important chilton love.

snorgfaced germans (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 19 March 2010 19:35 (fourteen years ago) link

honestly i don't like using alex chilton for best-practice arguments. using him as a stick to beat "contemporary music" or whatever. we can agree that there is inspired amateurism and inspired professionalism, weird mixes of the two, and then there are many uninspired amateurs and professionals. making big sweeping statements just seems unnecessary.

by another name (amateurist), Friday, 19 March 2010 19:38 (fourteen years ago) link

Thinking about the guy's career arc the closest I could come up with for somebody similar was Jonathan Richman, another guy who at one point renounced his early work, put off many of his fans with his contrarian attitude, did interesting covers, was interested in earlier R and B, kept working on his guitar playing, who after one if his shows maybe you didn't always like what you saw but you always had something to think about. (Note: don't know what tense to use when one guy is still with us and the other isn't) Obviously lots of dissimilarities as well, but still.

Ole Rastaquouère (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 19 March 2010 19:58 (fourteen years ago) link

One particular "Lost Era" period I revisited over the last couple days are the 1977 Elektra demos, and the Peter Holsapple session from 1978.

This is some of my favorite stuff: really loose and dreamy, with some topical nods to new-wave and pop-reggae. The only thing I can do without are the squelchy high-pitch Farfisa fills/runs that pepper some of the Elektra demos.

✌.✰|ʘ‿ʘ|✰.✌ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 19 March 2010 20:16 (fourteen years ago) link

like is this the perfect summer song or what?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NUi81X3-zk

✌.✰|ʘ‿ʘ|✰.✌ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 19 March 2010 20:18 (fourteen years ago) link

Where may one find those? Are they official releases?

Thus Sang Freud, Friday, 19 March 2010 20:18 (fourteen years ago) link

try google blog search, i had some 15 year old bootleg on CD that I probably paid $20 for (lol) that I burned a few years ago.

✌.✰|ʘ‿ʘ|✰.✌ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 19 March 2010 20:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Had no idea that stuff existed. Thanks.

Thus Sang Freud, Friday, 19 March 2010 20:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Tennis Bum!

famous for hating everything (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 19 March 2010 20:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Ann Powers for the LA Times, plus a slew of great comments:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2010/03/rip-alex-chilton-american-music-man.html

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 20 March 2010 00:03 (fourteen years ago) link

That record remains one of the most lucid expressions of youthful sorrow in the annals of guitar pop, a perfect encapsulation of the pain of that worst, first heartbreak.

Nice piece, but i don't know about that as an encapsulation of the Third Album: sorrow, dread, horror, pain, not tied to youth or love......it's the darkest record ever sometimes: the horror of the person Holocaust could be about AND the horror of how a person could sing that about anyone.

sonofstan, Saturday, 20 March 2010 00:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Also, a little more on Steve Cohen's speech:

Reached later by phone, Cohen said he learned of the musician's death late Wednesday night and had spent a lot of time since then listening to Chilton's music on his iPod, including such songs as "Bangkok," "Tee Ni Nee Ni Noo" and "No Sex." He decided on his way into work Thursday to make the speech on the House floor.

"I miss him greatly," said Cohen, 60, who had known Chilton since he met him at Chilton's father's funeral. "There's just something about Alex. He's my generation and most of us in Memphis knew him and his music. This is a great loss to the Memphis scene."
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Between meetings on Thursday the congressman "spent the day reflecting" on the singer. Chilton's songs, he says, "remind me of episodes of my life and the life of the city of Memphis."

This wasn't the first time Cohen had mentioned Chilton in an official setting. In a transportation committee meeting Cohen says he quoted "The Letter," as a way to make a point about getting fast rail to Memphis. He told those present that if faster rail service was provided he would ask Chilton to write a new song.

Cohen had another personal reason to mourn his friend's passing. He was set to introduce Chilton and Big Star at a May concert in Memphis.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 20 March 2010 00:21 (fourteen years ago) link

Cohen says he quoted "The Letter," as a way to make a point about getting fast rail to Memphis. He told those present that if faster rail service was provided he would ask Chilton to write a new song.

Lols...

I went into the Amtrak station in Memphis once on a Wednesday to see what time on the following Saturday I could get a train to St. Louis. Being European, I expected choices and baroque ticketing, and was puzzled when i couldn't find a timetable on the wall - eventually I asked: there are precisely two trains - one to New Orleans in the morning, and the same train going the other was to Chicago in the evening. That's it for train services in and out of Memphis.

sonofstan, Saturday, 20 March 2010 00:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Sounds about right.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 20 March 2010 00:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Later in life, he turned his attention to classical guitar, and specifically Baroque music. His widow, a flutist with whom he frequently duetted, said it comprised most of his recent listening.

awesome.

henri grenouille (Frogman Henry), Saturday, 20 March 2010 01:10 (fourteen years ago) link

I went into the Amtrak station in Memphis once on a Wednesday to see what time on the following Saturday I could get a train to St. Louis. Being European, I expected choices and baroque ticketing, and was puzzled when i couldn't find a timetable on the wall - eventually I asked: there are precisely two trains - one to New Orleans in the morning, and the same train going the other was to Chicago in the evening. That's it for train services in and out of Memphis.

― sonofstan, Friday, March 19, 2010 7:31 PM (40 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yikes. that sucks.

cohen is a dick about some things, but on the whole he's one of the better congressmen. he's a jew who represents a district that's overwhelmingly black. IIRC he beat back some really tacky challenges from black challengers who basically used his jewiness against him.

kind of awesome that he was listening to some of chilton's 1980s stuff. by any standards, and particular by those of people holding elected office, that's pretty hardcore.

by another name (amateurist), Saturday, 20 March 2010 01:13 (fourteen years ago) link

sorry for typos.

it's sad that it's taken his death to inspire me to listen to some of the alex chilton boots and other stuff from the 80s/90s. i have all the "big" records (he said w/ light irony) but haven't dived in much father, fearing i'd just be hearing a bunch of really broken-down shit. but some of it's real good. and even though he had about three different voices, all of them are pretty unmistakable and inimitable. really dig this dude, am very sad he's gone.

by another name (amateurist), Saturday, 20 March 2010 01:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Took a bit of searching but I found this post from Will Rigby a couple of years back that Elvis Telecom had linked on the Chris Bell thread, along with a rebuttal concerning part of it via Terry Manning in the comments, worth keeping in mind given part of what Chilton told Rigby and those with him at the time back in 1978. Something all the more strange and moving about it all given that three of the principals in the recollection are now gone. To pull out one part of it:

Alex spent another afternoon with Mitch (Easter) and me (Peter (Holsapple) had to leave early) driving down into Mississippi and onto a levee and being effusive about the Delta blues, with some barbecue in there somewhere. He took us to 706 Union Avenue, what had been Sun Studio but at the time was an unoccupied storefront. He found a way in through a broken back door. It had most recently been an auto repair shop; in what had been the recording room was the abandoned shell of a car—no wheels, no windows, no doors, no engine. There wasn't anything left of what had been a fulcrum of musical change EXCEPT, as Alex pointed out, the acoustical tiles still on the ceiling. He climbed up on the car and liberated one for himself and one for Mitch. To my eternal regret, I declined. (A few years later the site was renovated and now is a tourist-magnet re-creation of the original studio, but I knew it when.)

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 20 March 2010 01:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Meantime Cheap Trick are playing some Chilton songs right now, it seems.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 20 March 2010 01:45 (fourteen years ago) link

A clarification -- dedicating "Heaven Tonight" to him. A slightly disconcerting choice but it does suit.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 20 March 2010 01:46 (fourteen years ago) link

when were the first three songs on dusted in memphis recorded? actually, when was all of that stuff recorded? i know next to nothing about that record, yet it's one of my favorites.

zingzing, Saturday, 20 March 2010 02:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Alex's choices of covers were inspired. Can anyone recommend me some compilations of similar source material? I guess it's kinda like the Nuggets of soul, blues and r&b?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 20 March 2010 02:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Paul Westerberg wrote a very nice NY Times piece about Chilton.

kornrulez6969, Saturday, 20 March 2010 23:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Just posted this in the SXSW 2010 thread. Any thoughts?

Really can't decide if attending (or even trying to get into) the Big Star tribute tonight at Antone's is a really good or a really really bad idea. Members of Big Star, Cheap Trick, the dB's, Mike Mills of R.E.M., rampant rumors of Paul Westerberg... would it be an enjoyable, fitting tribute with great music? or a shitstorm of poorly rehearsed covers, rubbing in Chilton's death when instead I could go see Death play down the street? To go or not to go? Hmmmmm...

― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Saturday, March 20, 2010 6:53 PM (2 minutes ago)

SXSW 2010: the South by Southwest Music Conference and Festival in Austin, Texas (March 17-21)

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Saturday, 20 March 2010 23:57 (fourteen years ago) link

have seen mills play drunken covers shows before, man is enough of a pro to hold everyone together i'd reckon

Wat ho, goatee'd man? Thy skinnee jenes hath byrn'd my corneyas. (stevie), Sunday, 21 March 2010 00:14 (fourteen years ago) link

if you can get in, go

kornrulez6969, Sunday, 21 March 2010 00:39 (fourteen years ago) link

if you can get in

Truer words ne'er spoken.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Sunday, 21 March 2010 00:41 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost to zingzing:

take me home, walking dead and lovely day: Memphis 75
can't seem to make you mine and shakin the world: Wallingford, CT 77
tennis bum: Memphis 80
baron of love: Memphis 78
the other four songs: NYC 78

dad a, Sunday, 21 March 2010 01:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Paul Westerberg speaks:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/21/opinion/21westerberg.html?hp

The Magnificent Colin Firth (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 21 March 2010 01:20 (fourteen years ago) link

Alfred, I really can't throw stones, but that was linked to about five posts ago.

Ole Rastaquouère (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 21 March 2010 01:40 (fourteen years ago) link

No worries. Haven't kept up today.

The Magnificent Colin Firth (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 21 March 2010 01:42 (fourteen years ago) link

if you can get in

Truer words ne'er spoken.

― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Saturday, March 20, 2010 8:41 PM (59 minutes ago)


Ha, I remember back in the day I was at La Zona Rosa during SXSW where there was a Lucinda Williams show and some guy went to the bathroom and tried to get back in but the crowd had grown so big that he was denied, even though he said his wife was in there. I believe I had gone there early with my friend Viscount Slim to see the reunion of local legends Doctor's Mob. We went into the restaurant in the break and didn't even try to go back to where the show was.

Also, I think Mike Mills knows the three chords to "September Gurls" and has probably heard the record enough to play the correct bassline. Like the guy upthread said, he is a pro.

Ole Rastaquouère (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 21 March 2010 01:49 (fourteen years ago) link

Well, there goes that idea. This was posted on Austin360.com about an hour and a half ago:

http://fwix.com/austin/share/8f582cbfa6/sxsw_scene_update_the_line_at_antones_for_big_star_tribute_already_down_the_block

SXSW scene update: The line at Antone’s for Big Star Tribute already down the block

By Music Source | Saturday, March 20, 2010, 07:23 PM

At 7:05 p.m., the line was already down the block (Lavaca) at Antone’s, presumably people lining up for the Big Star - Alex Chilton tribute, scheduled to being at 12:30 a.m. The show is badges only.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Sunday, 21 March 2010 02:00 (fourteen years ago) link

duh--did you think it wasn't going to be a popular show?

Mr. Que, Sunday, 21 March 2010 03:12 (fourteen years ago) link

is this yr first sxsw? OF COURSE it'll be crazy oversubscribed

Wat ho, goatee'd man? Thy skinnee jenes hath byrn'd my corneyas. (stevie), Sunday, 21 March 2010 10:34 (fourteen years ago) link

noble savages with their guitars and all that, all the revisionist young people attending to their Zombies or Gang of Four records, the neo-folkies.

But put 'em up there with some simple--seemingly simple--r&b song to play more or less the way it was intended to be played, hit it and make it work, without the apparatus of irony. Who among them has the wisdom to do that, or the professionalism to make it work? I mean, if Count Basie could play them old standards more or less in the way you'd expect, having paid your money, then tell me why it's an advance that a whole generation or two of musicians have rejected that outright, given their social/cultural advantages?

Just to say, that's -the whole lot, not just the excerpt - one of the best things I've read over the past few days.

sonofstan, Sunday, 21 March 2010 13:50 (fourteen years ago) link

yup. ed had some more great writing on another Big Star thread (thought it was a poll) that I kind fins via search.

sleeve, Sunday, 21 March 2010 15:19 (fourteen years ago) link

CAN'T FIND

sleeve, Sunday, 21 March 2010 15:19 (fourteen years ago) link

He posted plenty of stuff about Chilton, but it was under his previous login id.

Ole Rastaquouère (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 21 March 2010 18:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Or maybe the one before that.

Ole Rastaquouère (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 21 March 2010 18:23 (fourteen years ago) link

i think it reads snobby and dumb and old fogey-ish but i do love a good "lol indie rockers ain't got no soul" crack. i make lots of them. and i did walk out of a club once when mac superchunk broke into an excruciating cover of up on the the roof once. and i even paid money to get in and drink! couldn't take it.

scott seward, Sunday, 21 March 2010 18:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Yes, it was recorded. Jody Stephens has the tapes. I don't doubt there will be some kind of release.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 21 March 2010 19:55 (fourteen years ago) link

nice to see andy hummel playing with them

The 19 Most Obvious Sockpuppets of the Decade (velko), Sunday, 21 March 2010 20:15 (fourteen years ago) link

duh--did you think it wasn't going to be a popular show?

― Mr. Que, Saturday, March 20, 2010 10:12 PM (Yesterday)

is this yr first sxsw? OF COURSE it'll be crazy oversubscribed

― Wat ho, goatee'd man? Thy skinnee jenes hath byrn'd my corneyas. (stevie), Sunday, March 21, 2010 5:34 AM (12 hours ago)

My eighth... thanks.

I wasn't surprised about the line down the block thing, I was surprised at the "badges only" comment. Usually that sort of judgment isn't made before a show even starts.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Sunday, 21 March 2010 23:13 (fourteen years ago) link

beautiful words from tav falco:

Let us raise our glasses to a fallen comrade. And ask ourselves did we celebrate this man in life as we do now in death? Ah yes, we embraced our comrade and drew him close to our hearts and minds... as close as he would allow. Sure he touched us literally and he touched us profoundly: as an artist with lyrical intensity, as a person with camaraderie granted and camaraderie rebuffed. Such are the complexities of the artist and of the person. We realize it's not so easy to be friends with an artist, especially a gifted one. His smile often twisted into a leer, even when he was amused by your bonhomie and by your adulation. Be careful of tendencies: OK we’ve created it; now let’s deconstruct it. Godhead on the one hand, destroying angel on the other… Lord help you if you were caught in between. His tones were golden, and he knew that... better than anyone. Was he resentful because he had given so much, and had received less than the key to the temple of abiding good fortune and fame immemorial? Was he content in his rickety 18th cottage on the edge of the French Quarter surrounded by his guitars and aquatints and a cognoscenti of musicians who celebrated him as we do now? Did he draw all that he could take from his talents? Did he quaff draughts of indolence? The answers mean little, and the questions even less. What matters is that those whom he touched, were touched immutably. His legacy is of the mind, of the soul, of earthly pleasure, and of just and lost causes. He left us that redeeming spark of wit and flame to keep us going when were hovering down in the foxhole of doubt and uncertainty and dodging the adverse missives of Lady Luck... comforted in thinking that Alex would have liked that, or he would have appreciated this, or he would have been elated by this or that, or let’s do it the way Alex does it. His opinion, his taste, his love is what matters in the end. The last time I saw Alex was in Paris visiting in his posh suite at Hotel George le Cinq. He was pleased with his rooms, and we stayed up late while he merrily tutored me with the unending music lesson that had been on-going since I met him some twenty-five years before... the lesson that never seemed to quite 'take', and which I understood little better than the first time he drilled me. He would say Tav, somebody's got to keep the rhythm. And now I wonder, as the last grain of sand has sped through the hourglass, who... will keep the rhythm? Raise our glasses to console the living for the loss of a comrade fallen in the snow, which in its chill and whiteness is purifying, rather than fallen in the desert, which is barren.

sitting not far above his obit for jim dickinson. sadtimes.

we just have to get over it that's science (schlump), Monday, 22 March 2010 00:29 (fourteen years ago) link


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