Talk Talk: Spirit of Eden V.S. Laughing Stock

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Unless it happened and I missed it, it's always surprised me that nobody sampled the hell out of TCoS. So many ace drum breaks and other instrumental runs to be used.

Bill A, Friday, 19 March 2010 11:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

I love the bass playing on the last three Talk Talk records (stunt Danny Thompson on "TCoS" and "SoE" or not). I fondly recall an eye opening evening the first time I turned up "New Grass" loud enough to actually notice the upright pulsing beneath the surface. Who plays bass on that track? Is it that African jazz player?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 March 2010 12:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

Unless it happened and I missed it, it's always surprised me that nobody sampled the hell out of TCoS. So many ace drum breaks and other instrumental runs to be used.

yeah i've thought this many times. many of the tracks would work well as a re-edit 12"

shite new answers (cutty), Friday, 19 March 2010 13:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

i call it a lost balearic classic upthread, cause it's true

shite new answers (cutty), Friday, 19 March 2010 13:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

Get the Asides Besides comp.

No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 19 March 2010 13:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

^^^was told this by someone IRL recently

ilxor lookin' boy (acoleuthic), Friday, 19 March 2010 13:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

Asides Besides is totally worth owning. Sadly on my copy one track has become scratched and it's fuckin' John Cope #*&$%@&(%^*(&)@*$^*#

heck bent for pleather (Jon Lewis), Friday, 19 March 2010 15:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

Disaster! It's an amazing track. One of the most formless and floating pieces of music I've heard. Also, 'It's Getting Late in the Evening' is, for me, the exact moment, 'Chameleon Day' aside perhaps, where Talk Talk shifted from the band of 'Colour of Spring' to that which created 'Spirit of Eden'

AnotherDeadHero, Friday, 19 March 2010 16:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah there are about 6 or 7 tracks on the 2nd disc of Asides Besides which no Talk Talk fan can afford to be without.

heck bent for pleather (Jon Lewis), Friday, 19 March 2010 16:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

am guessing 'the last 5 especially'

ilxor lookin' boy (acoleuthic), Friday, 19 March 2010 16:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

I've never really felt much for 'Pictures of Bernadette' to be honest. I find the hook a bit annoying to be honest.

AnotherDeadHero, Friday, 19 March 2010 16:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

The Bsides for It's My Life are grebt too. But yeah the Colour and Spirit ones are essential.

heck bent for pleather (Jon Lewis), Friday, 19 March 2010 16:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

i forgot to vote. i would have voted for laughing stock.

scott seward, Friday, 19 March 2010 17:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

but, you know, i love them both. but if i go by what i've played the most it would be laughing stock. probably played it at least 150 times. same with colour of spring. spirit of eden probably been played a hundred times.

scott seward, Friday, 19 March 2010 17:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

Bernadette is awesome. Why Is It So Hard? is the secret treasure though.

No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 19 March 2010 18:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

can anyone say anything about the differences between the original SoE and the 1997 remaster? I see the remaster now and again for about 5 euros and keep wondering whether to get it.

and, does anyone have the Missing Pieces comp? Not essential, but one track is an interesting collage of LS material. Also contains a solo Mark Hollis piano piece.

Duke, Friday, 19 March 2010 21:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

what are the "Missing Pieces comp" and the "asides besides comp"?

I am become death, Saturday, 20 March 2010 07:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

Asides Besides is a 2CD compilation released in 1998ish (alongside the remastered albums) which compiles the band's b-sides and alternative versions of a-sides; i.e. 12" mixes, etc. Well worth getting.

Missing Pieces is a 1CD compilation from circa 1992 that has alternate/demo versions of some LS songs. I d/l'd it many moons ago and wasn't impressed enough to buy a physical copy.

Asides Besides has John Cope on it, though, which you NEED to hear. Also many other fine tunes.

No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 20 March 2010 08:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

'Missing Pieces' is worth picking up if your obsessed by 'Laughing Stock' I suppose. The outtakes are ever so slightly different from the album. 'Stump' is an interesting enough jam piece. It's probably worth it just for the extended Mark Hollis piano track at the end which is otherwise impossible to find.

I'll happily second the above posts heavy recommendation of 'Asides Bsides'. 'John Cope' is essential later Talk Talk.

Not sure about that remaster. I've never heard the original cd issue but I do have a vinyl copy but that's a different experience altogether. I'd be interested to hear further thoughts on the remaster though. Like whether it's actually as remaster or just a reissue. I did shell out a few years back on a SACD copy of 'Spirit of Eden' but I've never had the chance to hear it on a SACD player yet. One day . . .

AnotherDeadHero, Saturday, 20 March 2010 10:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

i forgot to vote as well. in the past i used to prefer spirit of eden as it seemed to be more like free flowing chamber jazz which i like as a concept. it took me more time to love laughing stock. i think laughing stock's highs are higher (esp. new grass which probably is my favourite all-time song of anyone) whereas spirit seems to flow better. so in the end i think a real tie would have been adequate.

alex in mainhattan, Saturday, 20 March 2010 11:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

Get the Asides Besides comp.

Echoing this.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Saturday, 20 March 2010 17:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

xpost: I'm quite sure the 1997 CD is a remaster of SoE (it is listed as such on Amazon:

I too have both albums on vinyl as well as CD, but my SoE vinyl is a rather crackly, beaten 2nd hand copy.

I'lll definitely be picking up Asides... after the love shown for it here.

Duke, Saturday, 20 March 2010 18:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

"It's Getting Late in the Evening" is just absolutely gorgeous. That, "John Cope," and "For What It's Worth" are why you can't live without Asides Besides.

And I wish somebody would publish a giant coffee table book with all the illustrations from Talk Talk's albums and singles.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 20 March 2010 21:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

Didn't vote, either. I would probably have voted LS, but you know, it's like trying to quantify the difference between heaven and paradise, really.

Lostandfound, Sunday, 21 March 2010 05:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Spirit of Eden Vinyl Reissue from EMI coming early April with 24bit WAV files on Bonus DVD.

Gentlemen.....stop your ebaying......

my opinionation (Hamildan), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 23:53 (five years ago) Permalink

I picked up a sealed copy of that a couple months ago for dirt cheap.

van smack, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:08 (five years ago) Permalink

I bought Spirit of Eden reissued on vinyl in December? They tacked John Cope on the end of side 2.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 01:24 (five years ago) Permalink

ooh, they're doing colour of spring, too!

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 01:31 (five years ago) Permalink

John Cope is a great track but I have problems with including it on the vinyl version of SoE. Not only does it mess with the song cycle (and there's no choice to drop it with a custom playlist), but conceivably the grooves would be made tighter to accommodate the extra track.

I assume that the digital files that accompany this new version will be 24bit/96khz? Wondering how these will compare with the SACD version from 2006.

doug watson, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 01:33 (five years ago) Permalink

the john cope version is a BOOTLEG dawgs

cutty, Thursday, 16 February 2012 22:54 (five years ago) Permalink

The way to do it is a bonus 7" with John Cope b/w It's Getting Late In The Evening

Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 16 February 2012 23:02 (five years ago) Permalink

"Spirit of Eden Vinyl Reissue from EMI coming early April with 24bit WAV files on Bonus DVD"

well fuck it might be time to stick my sacds on ebay then

akm, Thursday, 16 February 2012 23:10 (five years ago) Permalink

I would have probably voted for 'Spirit Of Eden' in this, but for me this is definitely a bit of a tough one to call.

Turrican, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:03 (five years ago) Permalink

I was listening to these albums again for the first time in a while recently. I still rate them both about equally, but would give LS the slight edge because of "New Grass". The last ninety seconds of that song is the most profoundly moving passage of music I've ever heard, although even saying that is to banalise it, without wishing to be too lofty. :)

Freedom, Saturday, 18 February 2012 17:57 (five years ago) Permalink

I may have mentioned it somewhere upthread, but I'd heard that song so many times before I ever really even noticed the bass line. It was one of the closest things I've ever had to a true musical epiphany. Now I turn it way up and get lost in the low end.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 18 February 2012 20:23 (five years ago) Permalink

Something I wrote about that song in my blog a couple of years ago:

Talk Talk - New Grass
This is the song I'd play to someone just about to kill himself. No. Maybe that should say that's the song I would play to myself if I was about to leave this world on my own. The beauty of this song transcends the appeal death could have for someone who has lost all hope. It is the warmest, most caressing, most soothing song on Laughing Stock. It's a holy song, the lyrics use Christian terminology: sacrament, Christ, heaven, vow. Mark Hollis is English, if he had been from India he would sing about Vishnu or Krishna, the words and names don't matter. It's all about the music. What reaches our brain via the ears directly without the interference of the ratio. Call it truth, love or anything. I think I would call it trust.

alex in mainhattan, Sunday, 19 February 2012 08:01 (five years ago) Permalink

both equally overrated

Poliopolice, Sunday, 19 February 2012 08:10 (five years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

I first listened to Spirit of Eden at a time of crisis in my life. It was the year I graduated college and my first love/first relationship ended. I was at rock bottom. Spirit of Eden was the most deeply moving and spiritually cathartic album I had ever heard.

Around the same time, I had also listened to similar albums such as Hex (Bark Psychosis) which became one of my favorite albums and is, for me, perfect late-night listening and the quintessential winter album. At this time, I listened to Laughing Stock, as well, and, although its instrumental complexities were entrancing, it simply did not speak to my emotions the way Spirit of Eden did.

Spirit of Eden is still the album I go to when I'm at my lowest and searching for my path.

It's one of my Desert Island albums, alongside
A Storm in Heaven (The Verve)
No Other (Gene Clark)
Lazer Guided Melodies (Spiritualized)

Graveyard Poet, Monday, 25 February 2013 09:35 (four years ago) Permalink

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