it's not about messi anymore, and we are now trying to rank footballers.
happy?
I was making a "these other guys are rank" jk. Never mind :(
― the pity party of tiny feet (onimo), Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:22 (fourteen years ago) link
*Andy Ritchie > Chic Charnley > Messi
(*the Morton one)
― The Oort Locker (Tom D.), Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:22 (fourteen years ago) link
nah that was to LJ's fussiness onimo
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:24 (fourteen years ago) link
oh right soz
― the pity party of tiny feet (onimo), Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:25 (fourteen years ago) link
honestly forgot about ian woan but he's obviously gotta be in there, up there with ruel fox and andy impey
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:25 (fourteen years ago) link
I mean, come on ...
http://www.gravelstudios.com/articles/tengames/lemmings1.jpg
― tomofthenest, Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:26 (fourteen years ago) link
can't believe no mention of sami hyypia or dietmar hamann here. or titi camara.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:26 (fourteen years ago) link
actually sort of serious about hamann, if we're just listing brilliant players.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:27 (fourteen years ago) link
I've seen Messi in the flesh and he was v good but not in his sparkling ZOMG form (only scored twice lol). One thing I repeatedly noticed was his sublime control - people would ping hard fast high passes at him and you'd be thinking "oh good, Celtic throw, ease the pressure" then realise he'd controlled into his path with a single touch and was already past Lee Naylor (that last bit not too impressive tbh).
― the pity party of tiny feet (onimo), Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:28 (fourteen years ago) link
lionel who
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TNb57ZNuWQ
― ilxor lookin' boy (acoleuthic), Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:30 (fourteen years ago) link
would kill for a hamann at liverpool now..
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:34 (fourteen years ago) link
I watched a lot of La Liga in 96/97 when Fat Ron was at Barca and he was hands down the greatest, most exciting, most talented footballer I've seen (on the tele). To this day.
I watched a lot of Football Italia between 99 and 02 when Roma were peaking and won the league (was at uni and this was the only free terrestrial football not on at a stupid time), and Totti was a definite favourite of mine. The fact that he mixed his skill with a touch of Roy Keane-esque aggro elevated him above the likes of Del Piero in my mind; Totti liked a scrap.
Messi I want to see more of, but I can see him eclipsing Fat Ron pretty soon. Fat Ron was already ailing by 22; although his ailing years lasted a decade and included many many many goals, just nowhere near as scintillating as his Barca season. Fucking hell. I think back to that and it flabbergasts me. Despite much longer periods spent at Inter and Madrid I still think of him as a Barca player.
Henry at his peak was sublime, and the best player I think who's graced the premiership. He needed Vieira though.
Zidane while absolutely mercurial was not consistent at all; his career is a series of very important moments of brilliance rather than regular and frequent revelations of greatness. I think he managed to time his peaks brilliantly - World Cup and Champions League finals being good times to pull it out of the bag!
― No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:35 (fourteen years ago) link
John Sheridan needs mentioning, though. And Carlton Palmer, the proto-Vieira.
i may be misremembering hamann- doens't mascherano basically do his job now?
or, basically- if hamann played under benitez wouldn't he be mascherano (or maybe lucas)
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:35 (fourteen years ago) link
sadly you have an aquilani and a lucas instead - although last time you tried to sign hamann he turned out to be igor biscan iirc
― ilxor lookin' boy (acoleuthic), Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:36 (fourteen years ago) link
was about to OTM SM (with reservations on his Zidane assessment tbh) until the mention of john fucking sheridan, half of an incredibly journeyman irish midfield with townsend for years. rubbish!
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:37 (fourteen years ago) link
We ought to chop this thread's discussions into Best Attacker, Best Midfielder, and Best Defnder, though.
Or even just Best Forward and Best Back.
Cos Makelele's as important a player to the teams he was in as Fat Ron or Zidane, but comparing them is wrong.
― No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:38 (fourteen years ago) link
Sheridan might have been shit for RoI but I blame Townsend for that; with Palmer at Wednesday Sheridan was awesome. remember that free-kick Le Tissier scored where it was rolled to him and he flicked it up and volleyed it? He nicked that off Sheridan.
― No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:39 (fourteen years ago) link
who can forget the sheridan turn?
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:40 (fourteen years ago) link
BEST TEAM did we do a team of the decade thing already, or was it just premier league?
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:41 (fourteen years ago) link
hamann was a better passer than masch and scored more goals, just a better all around player imo. there was some good stats about games won with hamann in that liverpool side vs without.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:42 (fourteen years ago) link
We need a set formation to do best team. 4-3-3?
― No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:43 (fourteen years ago) link
BuffonCafu - Nesta - Campbell (serious) - ???Vieira - ??? - ???Messi - Rooney - Henry
― No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:45 (fourteen years ago) link
best team as Rafa would pick it
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:46 (fourteen years ago) link
Rafa would just go to the nearest hospital and pick one-legged kids given the opportunity.
― No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:47 (fourteen years ago) link
I'd have loved to Vieira and Fabregas play together properly at Arsenal.
― No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:48 (fourteen years ago) link
vieira ronaldinho nedved maybe
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:49 (fourteen years ago) link
hmm maybe not nedved for 00-09.
cafu probably knocking on a little too in fairness- zanetti plays at RB or midfield these days?
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:50 (fourteen years ago) link
it's an argument I shouldn't start again, but Keane better than Vieira imo.
Also, Gattuso.
― tomofthenest, Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:52 (fourteen years ago) link
Cafu won Serie A with Roma in 201 and then went to Milan. He was the best RB in the world for 2 decades straight. Zanetti's good, but...
Nedved's a great shout. Never seen someone run so much.
Dani Alves might look like some weird thug from X-Men but he's on the way.
Leftbacks is where I'm coming up short. Carlos is too 90s and even then I can't ever love him. I can't think of anyone from the last decade who's fit to lace Andreas Breheme's boots.
― No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:52 (fourteen years ago) link
Keane vs Vieira is a big, long, argument. I LOVE Keane, but Vieira was pretty much as tough and influential and was a whole lot more elegant too.
Gattuso was a headless chicken. Like Davids with ADHD. He played for RANGERS fgs.
― No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:53 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm almost willing to rep for Cashley at left back
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:55 (fourteen years ago) link
Hate to say this but it might actually be Cashley at LB :/
Would a three-man midfield of Makalele, Pirlo and Zidane work?
― Maraca Son Sistema (Matt DC), Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:55 (fourteen years ago) link
vieira ahead of keane- there i said it.
left back-
evra? too late in the day for him to make a claim?
because there is only one alternative i can think of, and nobody likes him very much at all. (xp lol)
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:56 (fourteen years ago) link
I can't rate Dani Alves, sorry- he's got great talent but his concentration is so poor- his delivery is just crazily inconsistent.
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:57 (fourteen years ago) link
vieira had skills keane could only dream of. having said that, keane had that aggression and competitive edge that few if any other players have.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:58 (fourteen years ago) link
I'd have Keane and Vieira together, actually, them and Nedved. Fuck Zidane. No lazies in my team.
― No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 18 March 2010 13:00 (fourteen years ago) link
Cashley probably is the best LB shout but he's such a little cunt I just wont accept it. There MUST be better. I'd accept Evra at a push.
LAHM
― mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 18 March 2010 13:01 (fourteen years ago) link
Only other plausible left backs I can think of are van Bronckhorst, Panucci and (I think) Sorin
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 18 March 2010 13:01 (fourteen years ago) link
None acceptable, including Lahm. sorry.
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 March 2010 13:02 (fourteen years ago) link
LB Roberto Carlos
― tomofthenest, Thursday, 18 March 2010 13:03 (fourteen years ago) link
I would have xavi iniesta and zidane in my midfield vs SM United. fuck compromise!
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 March 2010 13:03 (fourteen years ago) link
Yes, too many Premiership players in the team
― The Oort Locker (Tom D.), Thursday, 18 March 2010 13:04 (fourteen years ago) link
Panucci's a rightback and was done by 2006 realistically.
Van Bronkhorst played for RANGERS.
Sorin has such fuckawful hair.
Lahn too spotty.
Carlos too old.
― No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 18 March 2010 13:04 (fourteen years ago) link
Clichy - has loads of mp3s at only 128kbps
― mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 18 March 2010 13:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Nah; his exclusion is cos of is lopsided face.
― No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 18 March 2010 13:06 (fourteen years ago) link
it's ashley cole. almost certain. need to go through italian national left backs to be sure.
zambrotta?
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 March 2010 13:07 (fourteen years ago) link
never expressed interest in obtaining a ronaldinho bottle opener
― mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 18 March 2010 13:08 (fourteen years ago) link