Techno/House Bobbins of the past

too bad it costs like $70

that's like €2! might get it for a friend's birthday - where's it available?

not telling until i get mine

(limited to 500)

haha, fair enough

Ivan?

Oh, oops ... it's "Juan" but looks like "Ivan"

no, wait it's ivan!

http://www.novadance.com/assets/32/3BA2F8AC-0CAD-8B9C-F41AA35CFB5441AB_mainImage/ivan_.jpg

is one of those crossed-out names 'Glaude'?

oh duhhhh it's 'Claude' phew.

PLANETARY ASSAULT SYSTEMS

The other day I got this:

http://www.discogs.com/release/62975

at a record store. Netto (or Netto Houz): "Fan Of The Underground" on Ladomat from 1996. A beautiful record. Completely overlooked by my when it originally came out. Like a very german kid of Nu Groove and Non-Jazz-Prescription. Really great. Especially track A1 and B1. Anybody heard this?

you guys could make your own shirt that looked like that for the cost of a tshirt and a sharpie

i know im borderline "my kid could paint that!" here but fuck, its a $70 tshirt

fuck the shirt

PLANETARY ASSAULT SYSTEMS

wait, can you fuck with this?

NO, NO YOU CAN'T

Gated

BOOSTER

actually all of volumes 1, 2, 3 and 4 are insane!

but fuck planetary assault systems

NEUROPOLITIQUE

more like neuTOOPOLITEique

sorry, that was labored

seriously though ... recommend some tracks.

sorry to say i only know "tv people", "artemis" and "switchback".

sort of derrick may lite, no?

haven't listened to it for ages but the album luke slater recorded under his 7th Plain alias ('the 4 cornered room') is ace. like the guy on discogs says - it's more IDM orientated than his PAS moniker.

The 4 Cornered Room

matt cogger (neuropolitique) worked for transmat for a while in the 1980s, so he does sound like derrick may. i wouldn't call it lite or polite, however. check 'faze' and 'idiotic lantern'. all of the shit he did for irdial records is available at the internet archive: http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3Airdial&sort=-publicdate

i'm down w/ the irdial archive - i think i started a thread about it at some point - but i'll check those tracks!

driving to work today i decided to listen to "the deepest shade of techno". 3 minutes into "jupiter jazz" i started to weep. no joke! crying like a baby!

this illustrates

a) need medication
b) the power and majesty of underground resistance

"driving to work today i decided to listen to "the deepest shade of techno". 3 minutes into "jupiter jazz" i started to weep. no joke! crying like a baby!

this illustrates

a) need medication
b) the power and majesty of underground resistance

-- moonship journey to baja"

i just finally picked up the World 2 World 12" with Jupiter Jazz on it this weekend, i love that song so much but i hadn't even realised i only had it on CD. what a stunning record. UR tunes (especially when performed live!) have brought me to tears on numerous occasions, i dont think any medication aside from more UR in your life is necessary ;)

the flipside of that record is vasty underrated.

It is a shame that Hi-Tech Jazz doesn't have the profile of Jupiter Jazz because it is so much better. Jupiter Jazz seems very concise whereas Hi-Tech Jazz seems a lot more sprawling and ambitious. It is one of those records that is so advanced that it is intimidating. How do you get to a place mentally where you can conceive and execute musical ideas like that.

It is raw and expressive, but there is more sophistication in any 16 bars of that track then there are in any random 50 tracks that get gushing praise on the 2008 bobbins thread. Mike Banks is easily one of the 10 top musical minds of all genres that came out of Detroit. He is second only to Juan Atkins as far as Detroit electronic music is concerned.

"hi-tech jazz" is great! but it always makes me happy, whereas "jupiter jazz" makes me sad. i think it's the human voice samples in "jupiter jazz" that get me. the other one that makes me cry is "amazon". but maybe that's just the tree hugger in me, i remember one time that atrocious coldcut song that sampled amazonian logging operations ("timber"?) made me cry.

also: "the theory (melanic mix)", "return of the dragons", "nation 2 nation", "303 sunset", "inspiration", "transition" ...

soft feminine detroit techno UR >> ruff rugged raw detroit electro UR

which is interesting because there's plenty of other stuff on submerge is much better when it's explicitly dancier ... i'm thinking drexciya, for one ...

more sophistication in any 16 bars of that track then there are in any random 50 tracks that get gushing praise on the 2008 bobbins thread

yeah but the other thing is that the whole "nation 2 nation" / "world 2 world" / "galaxy 2 galaxy" set just lords over everything else in the UR catalog like it ain't even funny.

and i understand where you're coming from re: 2008 bobbins but i think its more to do w/ getting old? i consider myself pretty sympathetic to the "new techno" cause and i can't get too worked up about very much of that stuff myself (hello, i'd rather listen to ken ishii and planetary assault systems!)

well, excepting "knights of the jaguar", i guess

hey, here's an interesting one i was mulling over on the way to work:

t/s: octave one vs mad mike

or maybe

t/s: 430 west vs UR (label)

oh, duh, KotJ *was* on 430 west

hmm i always felt hi tech jazz and amazon were way bigger 'hits' than jupiter jazz

I spent last weekend rediscovering uk 'wonky' techno as i cant stand the current mnnl artists, surgeon, si begg, neil landstrumm, funk d void etc awesome stuff, i just cant get the appeal of richard vandawhatever & crew

Re: Planetary Assault Systems (like the track on the cio d'or process mix btw) - big fan of Clementine - Head Nodder (L.Slater on DJAX-UP-BEATS)

I always meant to get some Planetary Assault Systems - any good starting points?

i bought this one recently and it's great!

the best wonky techno thing ever

13 Mover, The Frontal Sickness

Is this is the (fierce) A side or the (amazing) B side?

multiple x-post

knights of the jaguar was on UR. the derrick may remix was on 430 west.

oh you're right, that's what i thought at first but i got confused by discogs

not sure about the mover track. it's slow and dubby, if that helps. almost dub-techno ... drone techno?

so how about the great R&S 2008 reissue movement?

they all say *REMASTERED* on the front.

i picked up ken ishii's "jelly tones" last night and in a head-to-head listening w/ the original all i can say for sure is that the new one is definitely louder (on CD) ... but is it really worth going whole hog and picking up another copy of model 500's "classics", "deep space", derrick may's "innovator", dave angel "classics" etc etc

more sophistication in any 16 bars of that track then there are in any random 50 tracks that get gushing praise on the 2008 bobbins thread

yeah but the other thing is that the whole "nation 2 nation" / "world 2 world" / "galaxy 2 galaxy" set just lords over everything else in the UR catalog like it ain't even funny.

I don't know about that, both sides of Final Frontier are some of the best electro ever to come out of Detroit. Then there is stuff like the Aaron Carl remix of Hard life, Timeline, the Drexciya records, Crime Report, Nocturbulous Behavior... There is some filler in the UR catalog but there is also some of the best music of the last 30 years.

and i understand where you're coming from re: 2008 bobbins but i think its more to do w/ getting old? i consider myself pretty sympathetic to the "new techno" cause and i can't get too worked up about very much of that stuff myself (hello, i'd rather listen to ken ishii and planetary assault systems!)

I know what you are saying, but in this case I really don't think it is an age issue so much as a lot of people writing blogs don't have a discerning ear. The thing about those _ 2 _ records is that they have a level of musicianship and rhythmic sophistication that objectively isn't present in the shit that is getting pushed these days.

I remember one particular record mentioned on the 2008 thread that was a great "Detroit" record and everybody gushed about how good it was. Yeah it had good sound design but the drums were about as playschool as you can get and there wasn't a whole lot of writing.

People are not bringing that kind of sophistication to the music these days. They do a shitload of quick edits and have a million vst patches, and $40,000 in tube compressors at their disposal, but none of these cats could get work as a gospel pianist on Sunday morning. Most of them can barely play. Most of them can't program drums to save their lives either. What is sad is that I am not referring to the hobby level people, I am referring to the people with profiles. It sounded like a bunch of plunking around in Ableton until it sort of works and then it goes out into the world. It might be cool for a few months but then it goes into the black hole of the dollar bin forever. The bar is set so low for the industry it is ridiculous.

It might be an age thing to the extent that I have a better ear and understanding of music at 31 than I did at 21. However, I don't believe that it is impossible for this level of quality to be achieved today. It is entirely possible for somebody to drop another World 2 World level record, UR does not have the market cornered on good music.

The other problem is that this is a entertainment industry not a music industry... that is another rant.

hmm i always felt hi tech jazz and amazon were way bigger 'hits' than jupiter jazz

I went to the discogs page and checked how many times each track has hit a compilation a couple days ago. I think Jupiter Jazz has been comped a lot, Hi Tech Jazz only has been comped once or twice IIRC. If you check the comps that JJ has been on, I think it is fair to say that it has a higher profile.

People are not bringing that kind of sophistication to the music these days. They do a shitload of quick edits and have a million vst patches, and $40,000 in tube compressors at their disposal, but none of these cats could get work as a gospel pianist on Sunday morning. Most of them can barely play. Most of them can't program drums to save their lives either. What is sad is that I am not referring to the hobby level people, I am referring to the people with profiles. It sounded like a bunch of plunking around in Ableton until it sort of works and then it goes out into the world. It might be cool for a few months but then it goes into the black hole of the dollar bin forever. The bar is set so low for the industry it is ridiculous.

sorry but that is basically "i don't like this" masked as some kind of theoretical science.

I do love a lot of what i hear in 2008!

Nocturbulous Behavior

This record Never gets old. I like it very much!

sorry but that is basically "i don't like this" masked as some kind of theoretical science.

If you and James Jamerson were to play bass together there would be no objective difference between what he can play and what you can play? Do you play as well as McCoy Tyner?

Music is a language. Is it too much to say that some people are expressing more interesting thoughts with it than others?

Do you honestly think that the guys that you blog about who can barely string a track together on a computer are going to be able to out do guys who can actually play music on real instruments? I listened to the first half of your chart and you realize that there is zero tonal movement in the entire thing. It is all based on either one chord stab or in the case of that loco dice track it is based on one single 2 bar piano loop(it is really a one bar loop but on the second pass he plays the last chord twice. I am not even going to get into the drums...

This is the musical equivalent of reading writing geared towards an audience with a 4th grade reading comprehension. If that is how you get your kicks that is fantastic. I don't like it, but I also don't like the writing in tabloids.

lol gospel pianist.

"none of these rock guitarists can sew a scout badge on".