Scottish things and people that I like

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Of course Eugene Reynolds is about as English as you can get. His devotion to wacky Americana is very Scottish though.

everything, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 20:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Scottish things I like:

- Loch Awe
- Morar
- Glenfinnan monument
- Glasgow Celtic
- Scotch Pie
- Deuchars IPA
- Pub opening (by which I mean closing) hours
- Bert's Bar, Stockbridge
- The table football machine that I played in the pretty cool pub in Newtown
- The Forth Rail Bridge
- Belle and Sebastian
- The spring sky in Lothian


Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I like other people reminding me of things I love so much that I take them for granted (Forth Rail Bridge and pubs that open at 8 in the morning and stay open till 1am especially). And Celtic, though I don't associate them with being Scottish, funnily enough.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Still Game was quality.

"Can't remember the last time I had a bloody boner. I tell I lie. Judy Finnegan, before she went shakey."

Stew (stew s), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 21:12 (eighteen years ago) link

The table football machine that I played in the pretty cool pub in Newtown

The Star Bar?

KeefW (kmw), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 21:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually, a pint of Deuchars Aye-PA needs mentioned again. The third. It is the best pint I reckon.

I like the Forth Road Bridge best actually.

I like pubs that stay open 'til 3am and pubs that open at 4am.

KeefW (kmw), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I hereby scrap my entire list of things and replace them with Navid from Still Game.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 21:19 (eighteen years ago) link

The Star bar! Yes! Metallic, and Argentinian. Nice beer too.

Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 21:24 (eighteen years ago) link

fucking hell. i've missed still game again, haven't i?

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 21:25 (eighteen years ago) link

i hate almost all scottish food. all of it. including butteries and tablet. yuck! irn bru is the nastiest bevvy on earth. fried mars bar are a big disappointment.
i do like chips and cheese, however.

dahlin (dahlin), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 22:24 (eighteen years ago) link

yuxxxx

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 22:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Talisker, Oban, Drambuie. Oh, and fried toast and fried tomatoes at breakfast, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yum.

lyra (lyra), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 23:10 (eighteen years ago) link

hamish macbeth, west highland terriers and glaswegian accents

gem (trisk), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 23:14 (eighteen years ago) link

How do you Scotspeople feel about Billy Connolly?

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 23:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I almost forgot that my dog is Scottish also! So, Shetland Sheepdogs as well.

lyra (lyra), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 02:10 (eighteen years ago) link

1. Collies (altho favorite collie stories are by the very American writer Albert Payson Terhune, I never really got anywhere with BOB, SON OF BATTLE b/c of the dialog written in brogue)
2. B&S, obv
3. Iain M. Banks
4. Highland/National/country dance
5. Sheila, a little old lady who still has her hair rolled in a '40s way, chainsmokes, and has the smoothest skip-change-of-step even though she's almost as wide as she is tall (mostly because she is very short).

Laurel, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 02:30 (eighteen years ago) link

rjg

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 02:31 (eighteen years ago) link

my old friend Dylin, who, when i played him some Herbie Hancock said "is this Massive Attack"? of course, i thought all of his Bush Records sleeves said "Duby" for like three months, so...

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 02:34 (eighteen years ago) link

i also love twitch and johnny, and ivor cutler.

according to a friend, the only thing "fierce" about bobby gillespie is his smell.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 02:40 (eighteen years ago) link

well according to a friend of mine, there's another 'thing' about bobby gillespie that's something fierce indeed.

stet (stet), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:39 (eighteen years ago) link

How do you Scotspeople feel about Billy Connolly?

Should have been throttled to death at birth.

Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:47 (eighteen years ago) link

...by accordion players from Glenrothes.

Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:51 (eighteen years ago) link

...wearing black leather gloves.

Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:52 (eighteen years ago) link

okay i haven't read this thread yet but i did a ctrl+f and there's NO pastels references wtf?

noise dude, you're stepping on my mystique (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 04:05 (eighteen years ago) link

My appreciation for Stephen Pastel is well-documented elsewhere on ILX.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 04:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I agree with Momus!

I don't agree with the person who said George Galloway and Elaine C Smith though.

Are butteries as good as lardy cakes, Ailsa?

Mädchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 06:04 (eighteen years ago) link

robin jenkins

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 07:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I've been surprised again and again by the sheer numbers and diversity of things invented by Scots, thanks to my Scottish Englightenment book. Apart from the obvious technical and engineering and philosophical accomplishments, these struck me as so obvious that we take them for granted, but were invented by a pioneering lecturer at the University of Glasgow:

-Lecturing in English, rather than reading aloud notes in Latin
-Discussion and discourse between Lecturer and Students during the course of lectures

It Is What A Man Does Which Demeans Him, Not What Is Done To Him (kate), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 07:27 (eighteen years ago) link

(The only famous Scots I am definitely related to are rogues like Lord George Gordon and, well, Andrew Carnegie. That great philanthropic rogue.)

It Is What A Man Does Which Demeans Him, Not What Is Done To Him (kate), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 07:28 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.greatestcities.com/8841pic/448/CP49448.jpg/Glasgow_Easter_2005_197.JPG

Only in the afternoons mind, is the hot water in the gents still scalding?

mzui (mzui), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 07:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I had a drawing on Glen Michael's Cartoon Cavalcade once. It was Wile-e-Coyote chasing the Road Runner, with a wee flap up the top. Under the flap I'd scribbled "BEEP BEEP!". It didn't win, but it did mean I got a birthday card from Glen for a couple of years after. It had a cartoon of an American Indian on the front, with Glen's head superimposed! Only thing was, it came in an "STV" envelope, and my sister convinced me it was from the Heinz Beans people, and they wanted me to appear in the next advert, and that I didn't have a choice, it was like conscription, i HAD to do it. I shat myself.

bg (creamolafoam), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 07:53 (eighteen years ago) link

"irn bru is the nastiest bevvy on earth"

Heretic! Mind you, it's probably why I have fillings now. I drink it quite rarely now.

Billy Connolly: well, he's just another annoying celeb now, but in his day he was very, very funny.

Lord Kelvin - invented loads of cool stuff, worked on the first and second transatlantic cables, established many common practices in the study and teaching of science.

Ian Crichton Smith (poet)

Lucky Luke

Bert Jansch

Linda Thompson

Alisdair Roberts

Cheery Bananas fanzine

Stew (stew s), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 08:21 (eighteen years ago) link

My brother had a birthday card on GMCC, clear evidence he was the favourite. I also have an abiding memory of a GMCC annual being the only Christmas present I ever got from my Uncle Robert. Surely, however, you knew you were too old for GMCC when you suddenly realised the cartoons were shit and could see that Glen hated them too? For me, that era was Birdman and Won-won-won-won-wonder Wheels.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 08:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I was apparently terrified of Paladin when I was a baby. I must confess to sneakily enjoying River City.

leigh (leigh), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 08:22 (eighteen years ago) link

It was an odd collection of bargain-basement cartoons wasn't it? And what about Glen's "AAA-schee-a-waa, a-schee-a-waa, a-schee-a-waa!!!" baby-speak routine whenever he read out a card for 1st birthdays?
Anyway, other good Scottish things: Weir's Way, strawberry picking and Fence records.

bg (creamolafoam), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 08:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Food:

As mentioned, rowies come very, very close to best Scottish foodstuff ever. Strong showings also by tablet, pies (especially with a bit of bovril poured through the hole in the lid), bridies, haggis, white pudding, red pudding, fruit pudding, fruit dumpling, the entire output of the Tunnocks and Lees factories (speaking of which, someone who used to work for Frances had their wedding cake made by Tunnocks - how ace is that?), irn bru, irn bru chews, deep fried pizza, pizza crunchie, smoked sausage suppers, 'sauce' (though this is lost outside of the East coast), pakora and tattie scones.

But there can only be one winner. PLAIN BREAD.

In a world of lesser carbohydrates, plain bread bestrides the world like a collossus. For those who have never encountered this behemoth, a brief description. Rather than square, plain bread is loosely rectangular around 7" tall by about 4" wide. The top and bottom crusts are around half an inch thick (including the immediately surrounding bread) and most closely resemble masonry painted black. The intervening six inches comprises dough with an atomic weight in five figures. It wasn't so much mixed, as drew the ingredients into the gravitational field it was generating. Eating it requires a spare set of jaws, to take up the chewing when your normal set are tired.

The Pilgrim Fathers took large amounts of plain bread with them to the Americas as temporary accomodation. The Titanic is rumoured to have sunk following an unsuccessful attempt to patch the iceberg hole with plain bread, leading to a weight shift and change in centre of gravity for the hull causing it to tip. A small child once survived in an old fridge in Barlanark for 8 weeks, living on rainwater and half a slice of plain bread.

So why do we love it? Well, it makes great toast (not that it fits in a toaster) especially with lemon curd. But the main reason is surely that most lovely of treats made from leftovers, the PIECE 'n' MINCE.
Name me another bread man enough to carry mince, gravy, carrots and totties without leaking or falling apart.

Exactly.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 08:59 (eighteen years ago) link

don't forget DOT TO DOT!
ha!
stew, you are scarily patriotic. my goodness. who woulda thunkit?

dahlin (dahlin), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 09:06 (eighteen years ago) link

aldo, that is sheer poetry.

still can't abide the stuff, though.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 09:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I am SO ganting on a piece on mince now!

bg (creamolafoam), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 09:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't like bread, but plain bread sounds like something I need to try!

It Is What A Man Does Which Demeans Him, Not What Is Done To Him (kate), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 09:12 (eighteen years ago) link

The Green Welly Stop

The Leopard Man at Kyle

Seals at Mallaig

Ferries at Oban

Nardinis

Codonas Waltzers at Helensburgh

Safeway in Anniesland for some reason

Loch Fyne Oyster Bar

Rumpie, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 09:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Hang on a minute... Lucky Luke? I thought that was French? Non?

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 09:38 (eighteen years ago) link

"stew, you are scarily patriotic. my goodness. who woulda thunkit?"

Not really, I just love the Bru is all.

Not Lucky Luke the cartoon, Lucky Luke the excellent Glasgow psych-folk band. :)
http://www.luckyluke.co.uk/

Stew (stew s), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 09:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Language:

Scotland is a country both united, and divided by language. Whether you end sentences with "but", "by the way", "eh", "aye, well" or "there you are", they're still all identifiably Scottish affectations. The kicker is this though - only other Scots can tell which part you come from through tics like this. Loosely speaking, to outsiders, there are two main accents - the central belt and the rest. Much of the Dumfries and Galloway regional dialect can be quite easily mistaken for low Highland accents to the untrained ear and, lets face it, they only ever talk about farming and incomers anyway. The Central belt, however, has far more divides. There's the East coast and West coast split for starters, but there are stacks of other just as noticeable ones. There's an audible Protestant/Catholic shift, more obvious in Glasgow, culminating in what is usually described as the 'Posh Hun' voice. You know the sort, treasurer of the local bowling club, has a moustache, drives a Rover. Says "Hullooo" through his nose BUT NOT IN A NASAL WAY FOR THAT IS THE WAY OF NED. Nasal Nedness is something else entirely. Or "pure su'hin' else man" if you prefer. The East coast equivalent of Posh Hun is the 'Pan Loaf' accent, which the half of Edinburgh found in the city centre that aren't tourists seems to use. It's odd to go into Edinburgh and not hear a single Edinburgh accent, but then I suppose that's what Leith Walk is for.

This, of course, misses out the joy that is Doric; a dialect (although there are arguments for it being a language in its own right) which is, frankly, impenetrable to most. My mother couldn't understand her father-in-law for around 3 years, and still can't understand her brother-in-law. Frances claims to understand less than half of what my father says, and his accent is quite moderate. On one trip between Inverness and Aberdeen, at a couple of stops she said she was scared I had been possessed as I was speaking in tongues (and I only have handed-down skills, I can barely hold my own in a Doric-heavy conversation). It's the gleeful joy of the dialect that appeals to me the most though, the complete disregard for letter order, grammar or conventional vowel pronunciation (the acid test, for me, is the pronunciation of 'moo' where Doric speakers INVENT A NEW VOWEL SOUND). Syllables are transposed wantonly. Made-up words are used. Words mean different things in different villages. And yet somehow it all makes sense, in some way we all understand each other. That's the best thing about it.

But this is avoiding the one great thing the central belt does better than any other language on God's Earth. Insults.

You can stick your Hispanics, with their maternal fixation. Why bother going on about it when you can sum it up with "Yer maw." Every single permutation of genitalial nomenclature has been used, from the more traditional "fanny" and "prick" to "dobber" and "pie". Stranger yet, however, is the total lack of implication of shared features with the item apparently being compared. To call someone a "poof", for example, casts no doubt on their sexuality. It just means they're a poof. But we don't stop at rude words, oh no. "Numpty" was ubiquitous at one point, but there is a new kid in town.

"Balloon".

In any other language this is simply a rubberised receptacle for expelled air which can for a plaything for a small child. In Scottish, however, the noun conjures a never-before imagined depth of contempt. Imagine the scorn with which Grant Stott looks at a small child who has just asked him in the supermarket (having been prompted by his older brother who is sniggering behind the Sunny Delight display) whether he "goat sloppy seconds eftir yir braer wis finished wi that Titmuss burd". That's what "balloon" means to me.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 09:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Another wonderful thing about a plain loaf is its inate ability to contain two square sausages at the same time!

scotstvo (scotstvo), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 09:56 (eighteen years ago) link

yuxxxx

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 10:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh RJG, come on now!

scotstvo (scotstvo), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 10:02 (eighteen years ago) link

sorry, I have a problem with disgusting food

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RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 10:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I like well-fired rolls.

Mädchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 10:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Poor RJG.

#3,124 - RJG's quiff.

scotstvo (scotstvo), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 10:06 (eighteen years ago) link


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