Most shocking Rock & Roll Hall of Fame snubs (according to CNN.com)

There's a good thread: What is the musical equivalent of the endlessly recycled and misattributed quote to the effect that anyone who isn't a socialist at 20 has no heart, and anyone who isn't a conservative at 40 has no brain?

Me too. Lee's voice is just too annoying though I loved 'Subdivisions' once upon a time.

in fact, if you are 40+ and aren't into at least one of either Rush or Alice Cooper, I am not sure you can be trusted

― smoking cigarette shades? it doesn't even make any sense. (HI DERE), Tuesday, March 16, 2010 2:10 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^Amen

Pete

I love Rush to death. I listened to Power Windows last night actually.

But here's the thing, I think being a Rush fan is sort of like homosexuality...some people are just born Rush fans, but it might take you a while to discover that about yourself...but if you wanna give it a shot, try like 2112 and Moving Pictures. Some people just can't like Rush.

WRT Alice Cooper, the original Alice Cooper band albums (especially the run of Easy Action through School's Out) are pretty much the most mindblowing musical discovery I made in the last 5 years.

Those albums contain elements of pretty much every single thing that's great about rock music. Great pop hooks, ratty punk energy, awesome riffs, funny stupidity, grand ambition, art rock set pieces, awesome rhythm section playing, great guitar solos, etc etc.

if you end up listening to like, Killer or Love it to Death and aren't impressed...I'd kinda question if you like rock music.

hahaha

I am Rush-curious

That's the key for me: "once upon a time." Once upon a time, e.g. back in grade 6 in 1973, when Mr. Weedmark brought the School's Out album to music class, Alice Cooper was this really grown-up, scary, endlessly mysterious entity, and "School's Out" itself was a blast. The idea that almost 40 years later, after all the bad music and celebrity foolishness and general Spinal Tap downward spiral, that one moment would be enough to convince me that Alice Cooper belongs in any kind of HOF strikes me as absurd.

I believe you can make that exact same argument for every single act currently in the Hall of Fame.

Possibly, but at a certain level of achievement--Dylan, the Rolling Stones, Neil Young, etc.--the downward drift doesn't much matter, any more that it matters that Willie Mays or Steve Carlton or Rickey Henderson hung on too long too. But you can't turn Alice Cooper into Willie Mays; at best he's Mike Cuellar, great for two or three years and then nothing. (And let me say pre-emptively that the Velvet Underground's or Sex Pistols' "two or three" years are a whole different matter.)

being a Rush fan is sort of like homosexuality
lol

"And let me say pre-emptively that the Velvet Underground's or Sex Pistols' "two or three" years are a whole different matter."

Bullshit. Why? because that's what you're supposed to think? It sure isnt because they made better music than Alice Cooper.

But here's the thing, I think being a Rush fan is sort of like homosexuality...some people are just born Rush fans, but it might take you a while to discover that about yourself...

OTM. I discovered this abt myself at age 36, everything just felt so right.

Rush, BOC and Current 93 stand as the biggest new enthusiasms of my thirties (though I still have 4 months to go)

No homo.

i'm not crazy into Rush, but you know, a couple drinks, the right situation ... who knows?

Bill Magill: Yes, yes, I always place great importance on what I'm supposed to think...If you count Alice Cooper's body of work as being the equal of the Velvet Underground's or the Sex Pistols', well, have at it. That's kind of a hard argument to enter into.

The idea that almost 40 years later, after all the bad music and celebrity foolishness and general Spinal Tap downward spiral, that one moment would be enough to convince me that Alice Cooper belongs in any kind of HOF strikes me as absurd.

you know what strikes me as being absurd? a hall of fame for rock and roll. i mean. . . it's crazy!

"That's kind of a hard argument to enter into."

How come? Here, I'll win it easily: I think Alice Cooper made better music than the Sex Pistols and the Velvet Underground. Not such a hard argument. Mike Cuellar, my ass.

Good--we've settled that Alice Cooper were superior to the Velvet Underground and the Sex Pistols. Thanks!...I think I half-agree with Mr. Que about the redundancy of the whole enterprise. If you go back to the very first inductees, though, they started off doing a good job--admittedly, it was a lot easier wading through the upper echelon. At some point they lost their way, and now I have no idea what the criteria are.

in fairness, almost everyone made better music than The Sex Pistols, including pretty much everyone they inspired and musical projects taken up by Pistols members after the band broke up

and Yanni

I'm 30, been a music-obsessed fan for about 10 years, and I just realized I haven't one single song from Rush. And the only song I heard from Alice Cooper is that "School's Out" song, but that was from a movie (I think). I never listened to classic rock radio growing up, so I blame that on my ignorance.

*for my ignorance* Gah

you never Rush?

Is there a minimum placed on who gets elected?

i'm not crazy into Rush, but you know, a couple drinks, the right situation ... who knows?

great post

Alice Cooper's greatest songs (there were several) were on the level with Dylan's, the Stones, Neil's, the Pistols' and the Velvets'. And he made great music for more than two years. (Tons of it between 1971 and 1973, right; but at least sporadically back to 1969 and through 1980.)

Depeche Mode have sold 25 million more albums than Journey?? Like, in a world that includes North America? Hm, maybe it's cause Journey's hits are mostly on a couple of albums?

That number was pretty shocking to me, too!

xp And this is hardly the first time that argument's been made; it's really not that far-fetched. (Rolling Stone Record Guide gave Alice's Greatest Hits LP five stars out of five, way back in 1979. And it's not hard at all to hear his early '70s hits as a direct precursor of punk, except way more young American actually heard them.)

DP have put out like twice as many albums as journey did w/perry, maybe that accounts for something

i forgot HI DERE sang for Journey

the best of times, IMO

I'll check me out some Alice Cooper. Think I'll continue to be ignorant with Teh Rush.

xost

fwiw, arnel pineda's login names have never been as funny as yours

Aw man, just listen to 'Freewill' one time and come back to us.

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"Freewill" is the "just the tip" of Rush songs

I like arguing about the HOF, so I like this thread, but I've got to head out for a while...Alice Cooper's greatest songs were, more or less, "School's Out," "Eighteen," "Elected," "Under My Wheels," "Hello, Hooray," "No More Mr. Nice Guy," maybe a few others. I wouldn't put them in the same universe as the best dozen songs from Dylan, the Rolling Stones, Neil Young, or the Velvets. (The Sex Pistols comparison is complicated by how small their sample is, so I'd narrow the comparison to a half-dozen songs and make the same claim.) I realize that's kind of a boring, predictable conclusion, but boring and predictable can be true too. As for Alice's great music up to 1980, I think it's fair to say that, for most casual observers, Alice Cooper barely exists after "Only Women Bleed."

Alice Cooper's greatest songs were, more or less, "School's Out," "Eighteen," "Elected," "Under My Wheels," "Hello, Hooray," "No More Mr. Nice Guy," maybe a few others

see...this is where your post starts to go off the rails. (not that those aren't great songs)

I wouldn't put them in the same universe as the best dozen songs from Dylan, the Rolling Stones, Neil Young, or the Velvets.

(and i would)

Everyone's picking on me, so I'm gathering up my toys and going home! (Would another boring old guy please get on here and help me out?)

kind of sad that no one is biting on my "Yanni is better than The Sex Pistols" troll bait

shocked at kiss not being in tbh. growing up they were little more than some scary dudes on lunchboxes but..they were on a lot of lunchboxes iirc.

This is Dave Marsh's doing: "Kiss is not a great band, Kiss was never a great band, Kiss never will be a great band, and I have done my share to keep them off the ballot."

Can't say I disagree. And I like Kiss.

Aw man, just listen to 'Freewill' one time and come back to us.

― heck bent for pleather (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, March 16, 2010 12:13 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Done. It's alright. Not really my cup of tea, though. The guitar freakout about 3 minutes in was cool.

listening to "halo of flies" right now, god this is great

kind of sad that no one is biting on my "Yanni is better than The Sex Pistols" troll bait

It set off my "back away from the crazy man and don't make any sounds" instinct.

I could just never get over the cognitive dissonance as a kid of collecting Kiss cards, comics and magazines for a year or more and then finally hearing what they actually sounded like. This tepid boogie rock is the sound monsters and demons make?!?!?!

kind of sad that no one is biting on my "Yanni is better than The Sex Pistols" troll bait

― smoking cigarette shades? it doesn't even make any sense. (HI DERE), Tuesday, March 16, 2010 3:22 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

What would an insufferable music snob definitely NOT have in their collection?

ILM in being too concerned about being perceived as "unhip" to respond to trollbait shocker.

FUCK YOU DAN SEXY PISTOLS RUUUUUULES

I think I speak for every human on the planet when I say we would be unreservedly thrilled to see Yanni inducted into the RnR Hall of Fame.