'Marquee Moon' LP is overrated

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nothing essential tho

er, "Little Johnny Jewel" as bonus track?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 13 October 2006 13:50 (seventeen years ago) link

So in other words it's the politics of envy because you don't get paid enough to be able to afford to buy the superior edition (xpost).
-- Marcello Carlin (marcellocarli...), October 13th, 2006.

um ok.

benrique (Enrique), Friday, 13 October 2006 13:50 (seventeen years ago) link

shit, forgot abt johnny jewel (tho i already had that somewhere else), was referring to the previously-unreleased out-takes.

'elevation' messes with my head every time, the jarring guitar 'thrang' after "come go to my head" - always sounds like there's a scratch on the record somehow.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Friday, 13 October 2006 13:56 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah i used my nhs salary to get the original pressing of 'little johnny jewel' -- why would i need to get it again on pissant compact disc?

benrique (Enrique), Friday, 13 October 2006 13:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I used my pocket money to get the original pressing of "Little Johnny Jewel" - 49p out of Listen Records, Renfield Street, March 1977.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 13 October 2006 14:22 (seventeen years ago) link

You're beginning to sound like Bobby Gillespie, Marcello

Diddumsismus (Dada), Friday, 13 October 2006 14:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Bobby Gillespie didn't buy it because he was saving up his pocket money to go and see the Quo at the Apollo.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 13 October 2006 14:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I heard he was playing with the Quo that night

Diddumsismus (Dada), Friday, 13 October 2006 14:36 (seventeen years ago) link

He tried but they told him to go away and try for a job in the Dead End Kids.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 13 October 2006 14:37 (seventeen years ago) link

What I heard was that the Quo's tour bus went round to his house but his dad had to tell them that he was down the park playing football with Jimmy Johnstone and George Best

Diddumsismus (Dada), Friday, 13 October 2006 14:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Summary:

Fade is on the LP and the 12" single.

Ending is on all CDs.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 13 October 2006 14:41 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm *SURE* my pisspoor cd has fade. SURE!

benrique (Enrique), Friday, 13 October 2006 14:42 (seventeen years ago) link

go check!

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 13 October 2006 14:43 (seventeen years ago) link

What's a thrusting Thatcherkid doing with old-fashioned CDs GRANDAD?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 13 October 2006 14:46 (seventeen years ago) link

i will check maybe, on sunday.

benrique (Enrique), Friday, 13 October 2006 14:49 (seventeen years ago) link

how does the non-fade ending end?

like "cha-cha-cha"

or with a big explosion?

benrique (Enrique), Friday, 13 October 2006 14:49 (seventeen years ago) link

With a whimper, it's totally shite

Diddumsismus (Dada), Friday, 13 October 2006 14:51 (seventeen years ago) link

how do you tell a whimper from a fade?

unless it literally ends with a whimper.

benrique (Enrique), Friday, 13 October 2006 14:53 (seventeen years ago) link

It just ends like any other shit rock song instead of fading out just as its starting up again leading you to imagine it as a musical Moebius strip playing infinitely

Diddumsismus (Dada), Friday, 13 October 2006 15:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, there is that.

But, there was the one time you expect it to fade and it doesn't, to a rousing crescendo, and the Moebius strip finally ends (it ran from 1977 to 1993 or thereabouts)

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 13 October 2006 15:02 (seventeen years ago) link

this album is not as good as people claim, imho

richard wood johnson (rwj), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 02:34 (seventeen years ago) link

too much pointless repetitive guitar noodling imo. that album bores me to death and kind of annoys me. i like tom verlaine's voice and the sound of his guitar though.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

00.00: song starts
08:43: spacey bit starts
09:17: spacey bit ends
09:18: drums come back in
09:31: guitars come back in
09:38: vocals come back in
10:28: end chord struck
10:40: song ends


benrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Now doesn't that sound good?

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 07:50 (seventeen years ago) link

No it doesn't. It should fade soon after:

09:38: vocals come back in

Diddumsismus (Dada), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 07:58 (seventeen years ago) link

o now i c.

i take your point, the fade isn't a bad idea. i don't really mind that much though -- not enough to spunk for the remaster just yet anyway.

benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 08:01 (seventeen years ago) link

seven years pass...

i was a fool not to listen to this whole album after 'marquee moon' took hold

j., Sunday, 6 April 2014 19:56 (ten years ago) link

cool thread title

markers, Sunday, 6 April 2014 19:57 (ten years ago) link

and yes you were but i'm glad you came around

markers, Sunday, 6 April 2014 19:57 (ten years ago) link

This is basically the Beatles' "Taxman" extended to album-length.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 6 April 2014 20:00 (ten years ago) link

'torn curtain' is kind of a drag tho

j., Sunday, 6 April 2014 20:10 (ten years ago) link

The Blow Up vs. Live at the Waldorf?

Mark, Sunday, 6 April 2014 20:17 (ten years ago) link

I'd personally go with the Waldorf set. It's vastly better recorded, and while the Blow Up might have slightly more firey playing, the sound is distant to the point that it blunts the impact of the music.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 6 April 2014 23:49 (ten years ago) link

'torn curtain' is kind of a drag tho

― j., Sunday, April 6, 2014 8:10 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

word
00.00: song starts
08:43: spacey bit starts
09:17: spacey bit ends
09:18: drums come back in
09:31: guitars come back in
09:38: vocals come back in
10:28: end chord struck
10:40: song ends

― benrique (Enrique), Tuesday, October 17, 2006 7:04 PM (7 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you left out "4:33: song gets very very quiet"
(possibly fudging the numbers a bit depending on yr timecodes)

Many American citizens are literally paralyzed by (bernard snowy), Sunday, 6 April 2014 23:53 (ten years ago) link

i will always love the two nerd free birds they wrote but man i just never really dig this band. (crit bands i have tried hard to love and can't love: young marble giants, the saints, television. there are others.)

still, loving two songs by a band ain't bad. that's two more than the the cruzados or phil 'n' the blanks.

scott seward, Monday, 7 April 2014 00:03 (ten years ago) link

Wow...that's the first time I've seen Phil 'n' the Blanks mentioned since I picked up a copy of the Illinois Entertainer in 1987!

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 7 April 2014 00:06 (ten years ago) link

i don't own a single record by any of those CBgb art dudes. no hell, no t.v., no patti, no ramones, no heads. i do own a tuff darts album though. if they count. (those guys are easy to sell though which is why i never keep them. if i get the first ramones album in i play it once before i put it in the store.)

scott seward, Monday, 7 April 2014 00:12 (ten years ago) link

( i lied. i play "loudmouth" and then i put it out in the store.)

scott seward, Monday, 7 April 2014 00:13 (ten years ago) link

skot obv that oughta be 'freenerds'

kinda feel like the freenerds are t.v. urtexts that cause all their other songs to be ones in which you hear fragments and reflections of t.h.e. freenerd

j., Monday, 7 April 2014 00:14 (ten years ago) link

wait through like respites so you can bear to ascend m.m. again

j., Monday, 7 April 2014 00:15 (ten years ago) link

Lol I was wondering what "nerd-free birds" were

Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Monday, 7 April 2014 01:42 (ten years ago) link

that would be skynyrd themselves i presume

j., Monday, 7 April 2014 01:46 (ten years ago) link

The Blow Up vs. Live at the Waldorf?

― Mark, Sunday, April 6, 2014 3:17 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'd personally go with the Waldorf set. It's vastly better recorded, and while the Blow Up might have slightly more firey playing, the sound is distant to the point that it blunts the impact of the music.

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, April 6, 2014 6:49 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I really like Live at the Waldorf as an Adventure apologist because I feel like that shows that Adventure could have been nearly as classic as MM if not for such thin, brittle production, the Adventure tunes on there really shine IMO

Raptain Chillips (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 7 April 2014 14:39 (ten years ago) link

both the blow up and waldorf are fantastic, but yeah, the waldorf is way better sound quality wise -- and it's pretty much the only document of the band that sounds that good. whenever I put it on after listening to hundreds of shitty audience tapes it's almost like a different band altogether. last time i listened to it what stood out the most is just how amazing the ficca/smith rhythm section is/was.

tylerw, Monday, 7 April 2014 14:42 (ten years ago) link

Live at the Waldorf

fuckin Rhino Handmade, grrrr

sleeve, Monday, 7 April 2014 14:42 (ten years ago) link

Live at the Old Waldorf from Amazon:

Audio CD, Limited Edition (2003) $165.00 $105.99

curmudgeon, Monday, 7 April 2014 14:47 (ten years ago) link

that's the one thing i ever got at Record Store Day that I really covet, the vinyl

Raptain Chillips (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 7 April 2014 14:48 (ten years ago) link

man, that's dumb that the CD costs so much. every home should have one.
bugged the producer of those reissues on twitter a few weeks ago, asking if he found any other pro recordings of Television and he said he didn't :'(

tylerw, Monday, 7 April 2014 14:49 (ten years ago) link

it's $55 on Discogs but still, blah

xp

sleeve, Monday, 7 April 2014 14:56 (ten years ago) link

OP here and in the interest of full disclosure I was smoking crack in 2002

rip van wanko, Monday, 7 April 2014 15:25 (ten years ago) link


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