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NYC graphic designer and musician who's spotted a topic about his best friend? Are you sure you're not really ld beghtol, and just making up the 'wife and kids' stuff?

the pinefox, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

My wife and kids are real! You couldn't make up a family like mine if you tried. My pal is a writer named Camden Joy, whose name came up briefly a ways back.

Mr. Mark Lerner, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Hey, Stevie! Quick!! Friend-of-Camden Joy alert!!!

the pinefox, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

So I have found this website. Its very good to hear peoples commments. I'm Ukrainian studying in LOndon. And I listened to the BBC World service and MTV for my music. I like polka, tangos, folk, usual English pop, and sixties music. Like Nick Cave and Scott Walker and Goldfrapp and Tindersticks. I like French and Russian films, especially comedies. I like the people here, they know a lot, and I am studying so hard now.

Liliya, Saturday, 7 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

My name is Alex. I am a 37 year old from Germany. Now living near and working in Frankfurt (only German town with skyscrapers therefore also called Mainhattan, with Main being the local river). Found ILM via Josh Blog which I somehow must have found via another blog (robotwisdom?). Have been buying 1-2 cd's per week (music is a drug) from 1991 onwards. Just did a count in my Access Database: currently 1178 cd's. I like indie music. My first two records when getting more into this music where "Swagger" by the Blue Aeroplanes (in my memory one of those few perfect albums) and "Bossanova" by the Pixies.

Favourite artists: Velvet Underground, Yo La Tengo, Giant Sand, Gun Club, Sonic Youth, Joy Dividion, Swell, Red House Painters, Joni Mitchell (from another life in the 80s), the Smiths, the Cure, Laurie Anderson, Keith Jarrett and Nick Drake (from my first life in the late 70s/early 80s), Cocteau Twins, Cowboy Junkies etc.

alex in mainhattan, Saturday, 7 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

26-year-old music critic/journalist, relocated to New York mid-March, still looking for work but (barely) making do with freelancing for the moment. If you want to peg my tastes they're somewhat of a mutant offspring of Robert Christgau's and Simon Reynolds's. I write a lot about postrave dance music and it's probably about 1/3 of what I listen to, the rest being divvied up among a bunch of things. I contribute to a bunch of magazines that don't pay on time and a bunch of alt-weeklies that do. Staying w/girlfriend until relocation in September to a roommate situation. Size 10 1/2 shoe. Recently shaved head. Anything else you wanna know, email me.

Michaelangelo Matos, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Um... 22, just graduated in Popular Culture and Philosophy. Music fan. Zen master. www.lushalcoholsaint.co.uk is my website. I'm a part-time barman for a bit so I can afford to buy records and other assorted crap. My friend Mary showed me here. That's all.

Nick Southall, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

BEWARE SHAMELESS SELF-PROMOTION If anyone is interested in what I think about alternative music, books, movies, travels, chess etc. you can visit my blog which I started a little more than a month ago. It is aptly titled sex and sunshine as it hardly ever mentions those two necessities of life.

alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 18 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Alex, you ought to put that on the "Your Blog" thread too. Which I can't find.

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Tracer Hand - Where is the Your Blog thread? There is something like that down at ILE but here I have not found it. I have not got the time to check all folders!

This place is getting messier and messier. Could someone, I think of you Josh e.g., please install a search like Atomz on this site? It should be possible. I have even succeeded in doing it for my small little blog.

alex in mainhattan, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I will look into it in, uh, August. After I get my MS. And move. (Maybe I can leave it for the next moderator, ha.)

Josh, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm 16, live in the middle of nowhere in New York, and love whatever strikes me as unusual and interesting (Latin, glam rock, words, pretentiousness). I'm under strict orders not to tell my name on the Internet (everyone else on there is a pedophiliac, middle aged stalker, you know), so I'm going to use a new one every day and see how long I can keep that up.

Music I love or have loved: Velvet Underground, In Flames, Goo Goo Dolls, Momus, Belle & Sebastian, Nine Inch Nails, some Radiohead, some Bach, some Beethoven, Vince Guaraldi, George Winston

Music I like: Vintersorg, Thyrfing, Therion, David Bowie, Neutral Milk Hotel, some Radiohead, Pedro the Lion, Nirvana, Bush, Iron Maiden, Sex Pistols, the Clash, U2, Dead Kennedys, Iggy Pop, Apocalyptica, Madonna, Fiona Apple, Filter, Olivia Tremor Control, Hum, Neil Young, Matthew Sweet, Pink Floyd, the Who

Music I really can't stand: Beach Boys, Britney Spears, rap in general, blues in which every line must be repeated several times, Creed

Authors I love: Neil Gaiman, Madeleine L'Engle, C.S. Lewis, Ayn Rand, Phillip Dick

Candelifera, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Hello. I'm 20. I'm 5'9". I really like Susan B. Anthony dollars. Here's some musical stuff about me:

The first music I listened to that wasn't baroque classical, when I was nine: The Beatles.
The first music I listened to that made me realize what music was capable of, cartoon-epiphany style, when I was fourteen: Brian Eno (it was Another Green World).
"Older" music I really like: Millennium. (Apparently, these guys have been a recent topic of discussion, and nobody said 'dud,' which is great.)
"Older" music I've recently been interested in: Pharoah Sanders.
"Newer" music I really like: Spiritualized.
"Newer" music I've recently been interested in: Icebreaker [International].
Little-known band I like who I'd like to plug (I don't know them personally): Optigonally Yours.
Music to which I've most recently introduced someone: Eric Dolphy.
Music I enjoy to which I've been most recently introduced: Prefuse 73.
Music of which I am in perpetual awe: Laurie Anderson.
Music I think is staggeringly important: Boards of Canada.
Music I love of which people are frequently skeptical: Merzbow.
Music I formerly maniacally loved to which I have recently been re-awakened: King Crimson.
Music I've most recently acquired: Herbie Hancock's Fat Albert Rotunda.
Music I enjoy that you'd probably find incongruous with how I seem thus far: NON/Boyd Rice.
Music I like that most often gets me into trouble with people who "like music": Marilyn Manson.
Music I hate: I think that idea is sort of ridiculous.
Most recent concert: Add N to (X) at the Grog Shop, in Cleveland, on 18 July.
Currently listening to: Plone's "Plock" single.

I'm always reachable at the given email address, and always enjoy discussion of any kind. That's why I'm here, isn't it?

matthew m, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I have never been implicated in terrorism of any kind.

Dr Seuss, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Didn't realize this was here. So ok:

I'm 33, male, live in San Francisco, Ca., and am a graphic designer.

I don't look much like a young Anthony Perkins, but have been told I do more than once.

I have broad musical tastes, and don't want to blather on about all my faves, but I don't care for dance, techno, and rap. I try to listen primarily to vinyl LPs, and own about 1700.

Sean, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm the best person to ever live .

Mike Hanle y, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

No offence, Mike, but you can't be. The Greatest Man To Have Ever Lived is David Hirst.

Nick Southall, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i am ambrose. i live in russia (although only for a week longer). i study russian, obivously at sheffield. my reason for going to sheffield? home of warp....they moved to london a year after i got there. dicks.... so i am into that sort of thing etc etc boring boring. also the usual high llamas stereolab tortoise (everyone hates them here dont they) shit. i like tortoise best though. now i am into garage as it is funkier than anything i have ever heard and i love dancing it makes sense to buy loads of garage tunes. io have a website which is almost defunkt cos i am about to leave russia: it is a sort of blog/journal about living hee, so if you want to read what a bunch of idiot students do in a country where beer costs 25p then go to http://www.geocities.com/ambrose_in_russia/home.html

also there are picutres of some constructivist buildings in moscow, russian graffitti, aforementioned students, other shit there.

i help run a night in sheffield that is called non.sense and is pretty turd. we dont really play any indie , or pop.

ambrose, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oh sorry, I forgot this one.

Im a 23 year old finishing off a computer science/physics double major from the east coast of Canada. Currently working in Toronto as a programmer which is a nice break from my past incarnations as a midnight shift gas attendant.

Past 5 years I've held down a college radio show and a few years of editting the entertainment section of the student paper till I grew tired of filling at 2am in for contributers who didnt make their contributions so I switched to the radio station staff.

I spend too much time listening to indie music, I have a fear of silence and an extremenly short attention span if Im not wearing headphones. I am currently suffering through this recent trend towards roots/bluegrass in college music cause I tolerated enough celtic music in my life through over exposure due to a close proximity to Cape Breton. Bands I like include Eric's Trip, Sloan, Spiritualized, MBV, BJM, most of the whole postrawk thing and what little I've heard from Puffy In Japan. I dont hate pop music I just have a hard time stomaching commercial radio.

I tend to ramble.

zac, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Puffy In Japan = Puffy AmiYumi???

Aw, yeah.

David Raposa, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm Andrew, I live in Dublin, and I like pop music as filtered into everything, followed shortly by everything (except post-rock). Dublin not being a large town, I know both Ian Moore and Irene O'Dowd. I don't post as much as I'd like, because ILM's download-read-reply- submit cycle isn't well suited to pay-per-minute internet connections like what I'm on now. Maybe I'll sort that out.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 1 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Everyone knows David Hirst comes second to me.

Ally, Wednesday, 1 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm 21. New River Valley/Southwest Virgina. Might hang around after I finish being a Va Tech Stud(ent). Self-amusing, obviously. I like to fish or pretend to socialize when not listening to, reading about, downloading, or buying music - in that order, simultaneously. I'll listen to anything once... or twice. Most of the time I keep quiet on ILM, but I'm paying attention. Been lurking since the begining, seems like. The nick came from "What color does a smurf turn when you freeze him?", but it doesn't go anywhere from there... it's a coincidence that my first post to ILM was in a blues-related thread. The nick's been around lots longer than that, though. I love you people. Later.

Cryosmurf, Wednesday, 1 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

19 year old Japanese/Korean UC Berkeley Student. Grew up in 2story glass house in forest-like suburbs. Raised on and improper diet of undie hip hop, techstep (yes that dark putrid shit), assorted dance/IDM type things, and Japanese visual gender-bender glam rockers. As you can see I know nothing about music but.... I still love it......Oh yeah, to make matters worse I make music too.

A.Honda, Thursday, 2 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

OK, it took me two months to find this.

21, Montreal, Vietnamese, computer engineer 3rd year, Velvet Underground, Pavement, Sonic Youth, Yo La Tengo, procrastination, highway sightseeing, old decrepit buildings, painting landscapes, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, misanthropy, 69 Love Songs, Old Port, Kids in the Hall, bored, bowling bag, immaculate freshly cut grass, mountain, Soft Bulletin, drugs, Japanese wrestling, Emergency & I, biking, $1 plastic guns, David Bowie, T-Rex, Trainspotting (the book), cubicle fever, Brian Eno, water fountains, Nirvana and the grunge era, white velcro shoes, night driving, waterfronts, High Fidelity (the book), the Beatles, Calvin & Hobbes, you.

alex in montreal, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

My name's Greg. Do you mean David Hirst that used to play for Wednesday?

Greg, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Me: 19 Yr old artist/ennui avoidance technician. Currently residing in Santa Fe, new Mexico. Going to ahrt skoo in Chicago Ill. Don't really know that much about music or anything else but a guy can DREAM right?

You: SWF, 5'6" 140-180 Lbs, Green Eyes, Dark Hair, Sense of humor a must.

Oh-wait-I'm on ILM.

turner, Saturday, 4 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

My, this is a big thread. Does anybody even read the new posts?

turner, Saturday, 4 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yes.

Josh, Saturday, 4 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Age 47. In 1964 was a folk music fan hence the only person in Mr. Nielson's 4th grade homeroom not to watch the Beatles on Ed Sullivan. Took me two years to realize this was a mistake. Been trying to catch up ever since. Am 20 to 30 years older than most of you. Am impressed by the fact that each of you has listened to more music than I have, more attentively. Can say with confidence, however, that I've read nearly half as many books as any of you has.

What I do with my time: There was a period of several months in the mid-'90s when I would get a word in my mind and just have to fit it into that awful Joyce Kilmer "tree" poem ("I think that I shall never see/A poem lovely as a tree" - except that, being a doubter more than a thinker, I misremembered it as "I doubt that I shall ever see/A poem lovely as a tree"). So one day my friend Elizabeth and I go to the tidal pool down on Half Moon Bay, and the phrase that embeds itself in my mind is "sea anemone." For three days I can think of nothing but how to fit "sea anemone" into the Joyce Kilmer format. Finally I come up with this:

I doubt that RuPaul, tall and feminy Has lips as gay as sea anemone.

The accents don't quite scan on "RuPaul," but it was the best I could do.

Frank Kogan, Saturday, 4 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Grrr. HTML "corrected" my poem. How about this: I doubt that RuPaul, tall and feminy
Has lips as gay as sea anemone.

Frank Kogan, Saturday, 4 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Or this:
I doubt that RuPaul, tall and feminy
Has lips as gay as sea anemone.

Frank Kogan, Saturday, 4 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I feel kinda like a cad posting this after the poem...I also feel stupid for not posting here first, but hey, I never did read packaged directions anyway...

Jess, 23, live outside Philadelphia, currently unemployed and aimless (a catch, ain't I?), amateur writer but professional procrastinator, NOT a musician (I just can't bear to add more mediocre crap to the mountain) but I AM a critic (why else would I be posting here if I didn't think my opinion was god-like and unimpeachible), I likes...well, I likes what I likes, and there ain't a single genre I can think of (outside new age) that I don't likes somethin' from...but I've been an inveterate hiphop junkie since I was a wee lad and currently a recovering indie rock kid (who's finally almost worked through the alt-rock crock handed to me by the mass media *and* fanzine cartels while growing up in the 90s.)

Jess, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Hello I'm 18 and I live in Arkansas (so you can imagine the boat loads of interesting music that never makes it over here). I'm studying anthropology. That's it.

Lindsey B, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Not sure if my email address is working. However, I'm a grad student in Broadcasting at San Francisco State, former college radio D.J. and avid purchaser of covers (obviously). If you know of any cool ones, let me know -- cover-versions.com

Elspeth McKee, Saturday, 18 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I want THE OTHER KOGAN to post. Or did Frank just make him up?

the pinefox, Saturday, 18 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Meta-question (can't find apter thread):

??? Where is Dr C ???

the pinefox, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

almost-thirty mostly-online journo-editor type who likes to use dashes. proud of writing for respected underground magazines in multiple genres, but none lately. ex-pat american living in london, for now. my favourite album today is his name is alive's 'someday my blues will cover the earth', but the most recently listened to is the richard pryor box set.

embarassing firsts: show - billy joel album i made mom buy for me - 'hot trax' tv compilation featuring styx. album bought on my own - neil young, which wouldn't be too bad, except that it was the NY & the bluenotes album.

bucky wunderlick, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

HOWDY!
I'm David (30) from the UK!!

Been here ages but no matter what they put me through I'll STILL believe in love.

DavidM, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Jay 30 lawyer Columbus, Ohio USA obsessed with Captain Beefheart lacking in fashion sense appreciative of taste waiting for the love of a good woman currently reminiscing with Eric B & Rakim

Jay, Friday, 31 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Some kinds of ice cream taste really good.

[my conscience: "don't waste your one shot at glory on the 'introduce yourselves' thread talking about ice cream! there will be other opportunities to talk about ice cream! say something about music!"]

I'm 20 yrs old, quite fond but not in love with [band I: a 5-piece from Glasgow] and [band II: a 2-piece from Paris], in love with [band III: a defunct 5 (not 6!)-piece from Stockton] and brackets, not naming the bands because they're pretty much interchangeable with a bunch of other bands, into old movies, a lapsed anarcho-socialist, a (slowly) recovering cool junkie, shy, too eager for value commitment, thirsty, I'll stop now.

Nick Bramble, Saturday, 1 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oh, shit, I just found this thread. Right after discovering the 'Recent Answers' button.

I'm Curt, 48, but I'm still prettier than any of you. I'm a graphic designer living in Michigan. I remember when Elvis was new. Not that I thought at age 3, "This means a big change for pop music," or anything, but I remember the commotion around the house. My older brothers were entering their teens. One was a huge Jerry Lee Lewis fan with a big rebel DA. I grew up on my brothers' singles and their box record players like every kid in America had at the time. Elvis, Jerry Lee, Everlys, Chuck Berry - I get a rush seeing the sleeves now. My first records, and my first fave, was Ricky Nelson. Lonesome Town. Because he was on TV, I guess.

I remember the 60s, of course, but I don't have anything new to say about it.

I stopped listening to pop records for about two years in the mid-70s. I got into classical. Nothing weird, just Bach, Mozart, Beethoven and those boys. In '77, punk called me back. Actually, it was Cheap Trick that first made me want to listen again. The next few years were a third golden era.

I sat out another stretch later, roughly 1989 to 1997, when I bought next to nothing that was current. The ony contemporary pop CDs I recall getting were:

Charlatans Some Friendly (my 1st CD purchase)

Monie Love Down to Earth

Talk Talk Laughing Stock

Concrete Blonde Bloodletting WHY??

Breeders Last Splash

Morphine Cure for Pain

Until the End of the World Soundtrack

Crime and the City Solution Paradise Discotheque

It started when I quit buying new vinyl before i even had a CD player. Then, with the price of CDs, I spent my money on sure things, old rootsy catalog releases that had never been available before. Lots of old jazz, blues, 60s ska boxes, pre-rock adult pop, as well as pre-'89 rock. So I missed out on grunge. More like, grunge came knocking and I said go fuck yourself, dude, I'll take Count Basie. I felt like the culture of youth rebellion was hopelessly beyond played out, and I wanted no part of its attitude in music, art, fashion, anything.

Eventually, I felt like I'd go insane if I heard another saxaphone solo. Some other factors came together, too. Different friends with different interests, one with a record store. More interesting new music - electronic, ambient, all variety of stuff with more pop input. Record guides, especially All Music, the Internet, used CD stores, CD burners., oh, my head!

I dropped in on ama from time to time but always found it hard to follow. Now, I've read all of the ilm archives, and I wish you'd all wrap up your ile hippie chitchat and get your sorry asses back over here.

Curt, Monday, 3 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Damian,going on 23.Fresh out of University of Auckland,NZ.Likes and loves - Radiohead,2001 - A Space Odyssey,Stereolab,Idaho (the band,not the state),Faust,Brian Eno (singing and non-singing),Joy Division,MBV,Kraftwerk,Neu!,some prog.Will never succeed in hating Pink Floyd again.

Damian, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"I've read all of the ilm archives" = Purple Heart.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 5 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

27, in Dallas. I won't waste any time: I need a band. Reference points would be Ruins, Debussy, Beach Boys. Anyways, I've already noticed people I know in this thread, but if you're near me and want to play, sign up today!

Re:ILM, I too made the mistake of discovering this thread after I'd already posted a few. How's that for a first impression?

dleone, Wednesday, 5 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

is it rude of me to introduce myself now when i've been posting here for months?

i'm di. i am 22. i love music. some current faves are bikini kill, sleater-kinney, bratmobile, king loser, the kinks, the rolling stones, the aesthetics, now i'm getting stuck and i wish i had my record collection with me so i could remember what bands i like but you know, there's heaps and i guess you guys will probably find out while i am posting. i play guitar and sing in a band called LD50 in Dunedin, NZ , and in the daytime i am an assistant in the Music Department at a local high school. and yes, my nickname is a dumb joke about a certain dead princess. whaddaya gunna do?

di, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

My name is Ronan, at the time I was born (1983) this name was blissfully unknown in the world of pop. I live in Dublin. My favourite bands are(to name a few) Mogwai Spiritualized, Spacemen 3, Ryan Adams, Whiskeytown, Will Oldham, Jim White, Chemical Brothers, Beastie Boys, Primal Scream, Doves, and many many more...........oh yeah and I fucking hate Aphex Twin. Sorry I had to get that in there

Ronan, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i'm young, but i feel old i'm grey, but i dye my hair red

i find it almost impossible to list what kind of music i like - bjork, kylie, old manics, showtunes (not lloyd webber), punk where you can hear the words, singer songwrittery stuff that is not too general (read Blood On The Tracks rather than Tapestry), pop!, tv themetunes, george formby, old skool hip-hop, nasty electro beeps music, anything(almost) not in english...

whatever

bounder, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think you've got an alarming amount in common with me, Bounder ...

Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Hey all. I'm Justyn, from Tucson, Arizona, the most boring city this side of Aberdeen. I'm a hopeless guitar player along the lines of Richey Manic. A would-be poet who thinks most poetry written today is crap, including my own. I'm madly in love with Winona Ryder. I'm 19 and a college student. I lead a very boring life matched only by the hero of Sartre's "Nausea."

Favorite artists include Billie Holiday, Syd Barrett, The Beatles, Le Tigre, The Clash, Bikini Kill, Manic Street Preachers (up till 95), McCarthy, X-Ray Spex, Public Enemy, Sex Pistols, Marvin Gaye, Stone Roses, Pulp, Suede, the Pixies, Sleater-Kinney, Kenickie, the Ronettes, and Subway Sect. My favorite single of all time is "One Chord Wonders" by the Adverts.

Favorite writers - Salinger, Philip Larkin, Ballard, Burroughs, Greil Marcus, Allen Ginsberg, Albert Camus, and Gore Vidal. My favorite film is "Taxi Driver." The two books that changed my life, when I was 15, were Catcher In The Rye and Nik Cohn's Rock From The Beginning. I've spent much of the following four years obsessively reading the rock press - Christgau and Bangs and the rest are like old friends to me, but I've recently gotten into the U.K. crowd like Reynolds and Roberts and Penman, who are pretty hard to find here outside of the pages of UNCUT. My favorite magazine, although I recognize its mediocrity compared to the greatness of NME and Melody Maker in the Eighties. I've been reading this forum for months and it only recently occured to me to post anything. Hope to get to know you all soon enough...

Justyn Dillingham, Thursday, 27 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link


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