'Children of Men', the new Alfonso Cuaron sci-fi flick

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I was told that Julianne Moore did the ping pong ball trick in this movie, but when I saw it it was a real let-down.

The Yellow Kid (The Yellow Kid), Saturday, 6 January 2007 06:53 (seventeen years ago) link

You were perhaps expecting something slightly different?

M. White (Miguelito), Saturday, 6 January 2007 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link

First impression: This movie was the best movie I've seen all year, new or old.

Second thoughts: Well, yes, there are certain flaws.

Resolution: Grafts everything I liked about War of the Worlds (panic, confusion, brutality, relentlessness) with practically everything I liked about Titanic (same as above, only with unapologetic sentimentality), and it's a goddamned miracle that something of that sort could be so widely and rightly beloved.

My worst fears about it (i.e. the cinematography being so ostentatious that it grabs you by the lapels and shouts "I. AM. CINEMALANGUAGE.") were wiped away once I'd realized one shot had been going on for five, six minutes without my knowing it. Which certainly puts it above the one epic shot in The Black Dahlia.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 6 January 2007 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link

First impression: This movie was the best movie I've seen all year, new or old.

(all of 2006, too)

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 6 January 2007 22:27 (seventeen years ago) link

this was excellent. the only big misstep to me was the musical cue when you find out the girl is pregnant (too obvious).

Which certainly puts it above the one epic shot in The Black Dahlia.

I just saw this last night and it's so fucking terrible (the movie, not the shot) that children of men seemed like citizen kane in comparison.

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 8 January 2007 01:45 (seventeen years ago) link

biggest misstep - that godawful "Ruby Tuesday" cover.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 8 January 2007 01:47 (seventeen years ago) link

I hope I'm not entirely off-base though considering this Definitely A London Movie.

only 20 minutes take place in london!

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 8 January 2007 01:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Milo otm.

Two days later I'm also wondering if Clive Owen's going barefoot or sandal-clad is an allusion to Die Hard (Owen's feet are more attractive than Willis', though).

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 January 2007 01:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Milo OTM, and actually the music in the film was below average. That's because the film is so good that you kind of expect them to not fuck up the soundtrack. And yet they did...the "Ruby" cover is unbearable.

the long tracking shots are unreal. the action sequences are great because, while they owe a slight debt to Saving Private Ryan, they aren't indulgent; they aren't Michael Bay'd to death.

The only thing I didn't like was the ending. But it's one of the better movies I've seen in a long, long time.

don weiner (don weiner), Monday, 8 January 2007 03:55 (seventeen years ago) link

It has a badass opening (EXPLOSION! GO BOOM!) And all the action is pretty awesome: the ambush in the car, the refugee camp. At one point there is blood on the lens which isn't new but it's still a cool device (for me). The thing that works in it's favor the most is that no one spends any time languishing over the deaths of everyone. It could have been one I-will-always-miss-you scene one after another but instead it opts to distract me with more violence. I'm not surprised everyone hated the "Ruby Tuesday" cover (I did to going into the movie) but coming out I thought this was the best usage of "Ruby Tuesday" that's ever been attempted.

earinfections (Nick Twisp), Monday, 8 January 2007 04:27 (seventeen years ago) link

i liked it, but i just watched the whole thing thinking ooh lookit that ah what a nice futristical wasteland, with out really caring abt the characters or outcome.

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 8 January 2007 04:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I liked the Jarvis Cocker song in the credits. Nicely underlined one of the real themes of the movie.

Frogm@n Henry (Frogm@n Henry), Monday, 8 January 2007 04:51 (seventeen years ago) link

They were a bit screwed as to the ending - both upper/hopeful and downer look like cliches in the end. These days I prefer the happy ending to indie-standard 'we're all fucked.'

milo z (mlp), Monday, 8 January 2007 05:01 (seventeen years ago) link

once I'd realized one shot had been going on for five, six minutes without my knowing it.

yeah, i don't think this was a showoffy film at all, by contemporary standards.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 8 January 2007 05:06 (seventeen years ago) link

one of my favorite things about the movie was the way the mid-40s characters--julianne moore and the midwife specifically--had like dreadlocks and tattoos and nose-rings, which is so appropriate, considering that they're all 80s babies

max (maxreax), Monday, 8 January 2007 05:10 (seventeen years ago) link

i liked the king crimson song

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 8 January 2007 05:37 (seventeen years ago) link

max True

earinfections (Nick Twisp), Monday, 8 January 2007 07:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I liked it fine, but based on all the rave reviews I was expecting something a little "smarter"/science fictionier. I wish there had been more focus on the infertility plot line, instead it was just a red herring to set up the one pregnant woman as the Macguffin, the treasure/secret code/whatever that has to be protected. Basically it was a fairly well-made action movie, and not much more. And that's ok.

Why was Julianne Moore so clean while everyone else was so grubby?

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 8 January 2007 11:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Because she's Julianne Moore. I think it's in all her contracts.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 8 January 2007 11:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Can I just state again that I've never been happier to see Julianne Moore in a role than I was in this movie?

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 January 2007 14:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Admit it: you thought she was never sexier than when trying to whisper through a hole in her throat.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 January 2007 14:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I really enjoyed this but as it was several months ago I totally cannot recall the "pingpongball" incident? Can someone jog my memory?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 8 January 2007 14:45 (seventeen years ago) link

julianne moore projecting a ping pong ball into clive owen's mouth which he catches and returns

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 8 January 2007 14:47 (seventeen years ago) link

which musta been CGI?

the "Ruby Tuesday" cover was nowhere as cloddish as TOMORROW, tho.

I'm eager to see it again.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 14:53 (seventeen years ago) link

bittorrent is your friend during oscar time

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 8 January 2007 14:59 (seventeen years ago) link

not mine.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 15:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Just think of how awesome "The Hours" would have been if someone had shot Julianne Moore in the throat! Or "Magnolia"!

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 January 2007 15:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh man...imagine a Warren Commission-approved magic bullet that would have taken out Nicole Kidman too!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 January 2007 15:20 (seventeen years ago) link

There was a 60ish couple next to me who asked before the film who was in it. The man was very excited about JM; during the end credits, he said it "certainly wasn't a very good use" of her.

As for glamour, her teeth weren't capped.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 15:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Saw it this past weekend. Spectacular movie. No, it ain't a "brilliant" movie, intellectually or philosophically speaking. In fact, on those levels, it's an unapologetically and even proudly middlebrow action-metaphor. But given that playing field, it's rich, brave, smart, staggeringly well-constructed, and it delivers surprisingly rich emotional payoff. I felt grief-stricken through most of the second half of the film (not at Breaking the Waves levels, but still), and more than a little bombed-out the next day. It haunted me.

I mean, it's a (mostly) non-cheeseball metaphor about the endurance/function of hope in a seemingly hopeless world. And that's an incredible feat in itself. And I don't know that I've ever seen a movie that depicted the horrors of war as being so emotionally horrible. So desperately sad and gut-wrenchingly brutal at the same time. The movie basically seems to argue that modern life is a collective failure of imagination, compassion and humanity.

And I think that's why it's being "dumped" in the U.S. It's a withering indictment of American foreign policy (check the Abu Ghraib/Guantanamo scene at the entrance to the 'fugee camp), and it ultimately asks you to sympathize with terrorists. Or terrorists-by-association, at least. It's everything V for Vendetta promised and failed to deliver. Subversive, brave, smart and furiously engaged.

Best movie I've seen in the theater in ages.

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:26 (seventeen years ago) link

It totally blew my mind when it ended.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I think that's why it's being "dumped" in the U.S.

This may be changing -- full page ads running in NY papers, and it was #3 ($10.3 million) this weekend in going wide. The critics may have rescued this one, but we'll see if it has legs.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link

it's certainly not being dumped in the US, there are television ads for it all the time

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:50 (seventeen years ago) link

"This may be changing -- full page ads running in NY papers, and it was #3 ($10.3 million) this weekend in going wide. The critics may have rescued this one, but we'll see if it has legs."

That's nice to hear.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:53 (seventeen years ago) link

J Hoberman took opening such a 'tough' film in a few cities on Christmas week as a sign that the studio had little confidence, but the reviews were great and the seats filled.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:58 (seventeen years ago) link

At the screening I attended on Friday night the theater was three-quarters full. The crowd was comprised of twentysomethings and seniors, most of whom gasped and groaned aloud during the expected moments. Scattered applause at the end.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link

If it's getting the big push, I stand (humbly, gratefully) corrected. I don't have a TV, so I dunno how it's being promoted, but the lobby poster looks like a deliberate attempt to sink it commercially.

That said, there wasn't a single empty seat in the house when I saw it on Friday night.

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Don't studios routinely open "thinky" yet good movies small at the very end of the year, so that they can be eligible for Oscars? As far as getting a push now goes, any movie that does better in weekend 2 than weekend 1 will surely get more screens?

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link

yes, but the ads were scarce when it opened here, presumably cuz it didn't get any critic prizes. Hoberman:


this superbly crafted action thriller is being treated like a communicable disease.

Ever sensitive to buzz, critics have gotten the message and are steering clear. When the New York Film Critics Circle met last week, Children of Men got only a handful of votes, mainly for Emmanuel Lubezki's sensational cinematography. Earlier this month, The New York Times imagined Academy members in surgical scrubs, with a "news analysis" noting the unusual goriness of the year's Oscar contenders: The Departed, Flags of Our Fathers, Blood Diamond, Apocalypto, and The Last King of Scotland. A more resonant and gripping movie than any of these, Children of Men wasn't even mentioned.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:15 (seventeen years ago) link

blood diamond is an oscar contender? didn't it get terrible reviews across the board and sink commercially?

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:16 (seventeen years ago) link

and I'm assuming dreamgirls is the biggest oscar contender and I don't think there's any gore in that.

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Admit it: you thought she was never sexier than when trying to whisper through a hole in her throat.

I did think that she'd never looked better than in the scene in the newspaper hut. Moore should walk around with a big halogen light next to her all the time.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:23 (seventeen years ago) link


Not "terrible across the board," but the NYT article he refers to was from early Dec, when BD was a perceived contender. Things come and go so quickly, as we know.

Dreamgirls is not part of the particular equation being addressed there (melisma is the musical equivalent of gore).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:23 (seventeen years ago) link

I am kinda confused that critics thought it was being buried. How do you tell the difference between something being "dumped on Xmas Day" and all the artsy / big Oscar buzz movies that open small right before the calendar turns, just to be eligible?

saw this on Friday, if it counts as a 2006 movie it was my favorite movie of 2006

dmr (Renard), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I just chalked it up to Rosenbaum-y whining on Hoberman's part. There's a difference in pushing something back and opening it on Christmas Day vs. just dumping it on a normal Friday.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 8 January 2007 19:01 (seventeen years ago) link

opening on Xmas actually kinda works with the themes of the movie! A CHILD IS BORN

dmr (Renard), Monday, 8 January 2007 19:13 (seventeen years ago) link

To speak for a moment to the discussion way upthread about the Fugee(go 'head, Clef)/soldier reaction to the baby and the overt religious overtones inherent in its presentation:

At various times in the first third of the movie, mention is made of a upsurgence of people joining radical end-of-the-world Christian organizations in response to mankind's infertility; I think it is safe to extrapolate that there would be a coincedent upsurgence of people joining other religions, Christian or otherwise. The two soldiers who drop to their knees and cross themselves strike me as a confirmation of this assumption.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 January 2007 19:18 (seventeen years ago) link

This film is incredible.

One of the things I loved was how unobtrosive the long uncut scenes were. They weren't showy so they managed to bring a sense of immediacy and naturalness to the film. I was increasingly drawn into this film. It was so physical and the narrative was a simple alegory, but the details were beautiful.

Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Monday, 8 January 2007 22:20 (seventeen years ago) link

amazing, amazing film. between this and pan's labyrinth, mexico totally owns lately.

2 things:

1. anyone care to speculate on cuaron's preoccupation w/ feet?
2. "marichka" (pronounced, best i can remember, as "marika") = america? or is that a stretch?

m@p (plosive), Monday, 8 January 2007 22:31 (seventeen years ago) link

feet and dogs. there were a loty of dogs in this movie. when i go see irt again i'm going to pay more attention to the dogs from start to finish.

mahalo 4 ur kokua (grady), Monday, 8 January 2007 22:35 (seventeen years ago) link


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