Come Anticipate "Brokeback Mountain" With Me

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Yes, the EW story from which the Heath quote is drawn is prissy in the most revolting way.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 22:16 (eighteen years ago) link

the sight & sound article on this ws so FKN dumb

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 22:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Did it make you gay, Slocki?

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 22:20 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm sure it would have if i hadn't slept through the screening!

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 22:24 (eighteen years ago) link

i should clarify that--i slept IN and missed the screening. thus i am still straight!

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 22:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh -- I thought it was so boring it put you to sleep.

Lars and Jagger (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 22:26 (eighteen years ago) link

it was so boring it made you gay.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 23:07 (eighteen years ago) link

yes. the only thing to do in the theatre to distract me from the boring movie was to be gay with other members of the audience.

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 23:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Any more reviews? It's swept the New York and L.A. film crit awards.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:34 (eighteen years ago) link

David Edelstein no like: "Ang Lee's formalism is so extreme that it's often laughable, and the sex is depicted as a holy union: Gay love has never been so sacred..."

http://www.slate.com/id/2131264/?nav=fo

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I still haven't seen it, but I appreciate Edelstein's (and Stephanie Zancharek's) contrarianism.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link

edelstein is terrible! like armond white, he only reacts to others. our metafilmcritic.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:49 (eighteen years ago) link

i like edelstein!

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:49 (eighteen years ago) link

a) no style from a pure writing perspective
b) reviews the reviews rather than the movie

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:51 (eighteen years ago) link

i.e. don't be shocked when he gets chosen to replace denby

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:51 (eighteen years ago) link

i disagree with both points!

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't like Edelstein much. I do, however, plan on using Armond White's "I pity you" a lot in conversation.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:53 (eighteen years ago) link

"armond white pities you!"

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link

b) reviews the reviews rather than the movie

Read his lovely review of The Lion, the Witch, & The Wardrobe

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:57 (eighteen years ago) link


I think it was Ed Gonzalez at Slant who pointed out that quite a number of gay critics don't like Brokeback. One of the NYC homo weeklies ran a front-page screed against it.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link

The previously mentioned Brokeback item I own (and by the code, it's not particularly my color):

http://notonlybutalso.typepad.com/notonlybutalso/2005/12/brokeback_promo.html


Armond White doesn't always 'review the reviews.' He critiques the way 'good' films are ID'd and positioned in the culture by the marketing-media complex, which inevitably requires mentioning his peers sometimes. Esp when it's the most visible movie critic in the nation idiotically dismissing War of the Worlds on the grounds that 'tripods are illogical.' Or those who hail a filmmaker who makes one interesting movie (Christopher Nolan) as a visionary, which enables him to make bilious mega-budget juvenilia like -- you know.


Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 18:40 (eighteen years ago) link

ebert's stance on war of the worlds (the whole "tripods are illogical" thing) was SOOO maddening!! you'd think a film critic would know about TRIPODS!!

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 18:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Or those who hail a filmmaker who makes one interesting movie (Stephen Spielberg) as a visionary, which enables him to make bilious mega-budget juvenilia like -- you know.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Or those who hail a filmmaker who makes one interesting movie (Stanley Kubrick) as a visionary, which enables him to make bilious mega-budget juvenilia like -- you know.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link

the boondocks series on bareback mountain was funny

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:02 (eighteen years ago) link

quite a number of gay critics don't like Brokeback

Morbs appears to be correct, at least for this guy.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:06 (eighteen years ago) link

i found this movie's performances cartoonish and affected.

howell huser (chaki), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:09 (eighteen years ago) link

chaki, it's called "camp."

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link

ok then i found it campy. but not in a good way.

howell huser (chaki), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:12 (eighteen years ago) link

The posts imply that Ehrenstein is one of dem self-hatin' queers.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link

This movie was great, deal with it. UR all ghey.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Saturday, 24 December 2005 19:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Some relevant comments from the 2005 film thread:

I only saw one of those VV picks (Brokeback Mountain) and thought it was pretty bad.
-- n/a (nu...), December 23rd, 2005 1:54 PM. (Nick A.) (later)

Though I'd like to see most of them.
-- n/a (nu...), December 23rd, 2005 1:58 PM. (Nick A.) (later)

Wait, why am I posting here?
-- n/a (nu...), December 23rd, 2005 1:58 PM. (Nick A.) (later)

I guess mainly to say: Brokeback Mountain = NOT THAT GOOD.
-- n/a (nu...), December 23rd, 2005 1:59 PM. (Nick A.) (later)


I guess mainly to say: Brokeback Mountain = NOT THAT GOOD.
Why didn't you say so when I asked everyone (in Chicago) what they thought? I still really want to see it.

-- jaymc (jmcunnin...), December 23rd, 2005 2:11 PM. (jaymc) (later)

Mainly because I didn't want to offend my friends on that thread who loved it and also because in the week since I've seen it I've moved gradually from "It was OK, kinda boring but some good acting" to "Wait, that was a pretty sucky movie, huh?" I think before long, I'm going to be all-out hating on it, that's usually how these things work for me.
-- n/a (nu...), December 23rd, 2005 3:35 PM. (Nick A.) (later)

So what you're saying is, you hate fags.
-- jaymc (jmcunnin...), December 23rd, 2005 3:37 PM. (jaymc) (later)

I hang out with you.
-- n/a (nu...), December 23rd, 2005 3:40 PM. (Nick A.) (later)

I think it's the opposite, I'm so gay-tolerant (YAY ME!) that just a movie being about gay people isn't enough to make it "daring" or "fascinating" for me. There didn't seem to be much point to the movie other than HERE ARE SOME SEMIFAMOUS HUNKY DUDES PRETENDING TO DO EACH OTHER IN THE BUTT, which basically makes it mainstream gay porn but not much more in itself. The story was predictable and dull, Ledger was good but Gyllenhaal was pretty bad, the scenery was nice I guess.
-- n/a (nu...), December 23rd, 2005 3:46 PM. (Nick A.) (later)

It wasn't even good gay porn: too many tits.
-- n/a (nu...), December 23rd, 2005 3:47 PM. (Nick A.) (later)

Jake's tits or the cows'?
-- Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (wooderso...), December 23rd, 2005 3:49 PM. (miloaukerman) (later)

Princess Diary's tits, Dawson's Creek's tits.
-- n/a (nu...), December 23rd, 2005 4:34 PM. (Nick A.) (later)

POW - I'M THERE
-- j blount (jamesbloun...), December 24th, 2005 2:31 AM. (papa la bas) (later)

Hathaway is actually pretty good in this, considering she has to play a pretty young cowgal as well as a wealthy, manipulative wife straight out of Dallas. As a whole, the aging among the characters in the film was rather unconvincing: I cringed as Heath Ledger's daughter skyrocketed through adolescence while Ledger himself looked the same.
-- jaymc (jmcunnin...), December 24th, 2005 10:35 AM. (jaymc) (later)

Hathaway is actually pretty good in this, considering she has to play a pretty young cowgal as well as a wealthy, manipulative wife straight out of Dallas. As a whole, the aging among the characters in the film was rather unconvincing: I cringed as Heath Ledger's daughter skyrocketed through adolescence while Ledger himself looked the same.
-- jaymc (jmcunnin...), December 24th, 2005 10:35 AM. (jaymc) (later)

I agree with the second part of this, but thought Hathaway was too cartoony-stereotypey. I thought the cute one from Dawson's Creek was better.

-- n/a (nu...), December 24th, 2005 12:23 PM. (Nick A.) (later)

Actually, the whole Gylenhaal plotline post-butt sex is pretty fucking ridiculous exaggerated redneck family drama, like Raising Arizona but "serious."
-- n/a (nu...), December 24th, 2005 12:32 PM. (Nick A.) (later)

n/a (Nick A.), Sunday, 25 December 2005 03:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm already embarassed for saying this: I'm so gay-tolerant (YAY ME!) that just a movie being about gay people isn't enough to make it "daring" or "fascinating" for me. I was just trying to say that I felt like the movie was coasting on its controversy, but it didn't seem that controversial to me and so I found it lacking.

n/a (Nick A.), Sunday, 25 December 2005 03:50 (eighteen years ago) link

The three movies both Owen and Lisa have on their EW top tens: Munich, King Kong and Brokeback Mountain.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 25 December 2005 04:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually, the whole Gylenhaal plotline post-butt sex is pretty fucking ridiculous exaggerated redneck family drama, like Raising Arizona but "serious."

mostly agreed, that plotline didn't go much of anywhere but otherwise i thought this was pretty great.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 25 December 2005 06:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Jonathan Rosenbaum:

"this is the kind of tasteful tearjerker that's often overrated and smothered with prizes because it flatters our tolerance and sensitivity. Lee focuses on the men's wasted lives and the heartbreak of their spouses and other relatives, but the movie makes one hanker for the sort of unabashed queer stories found outside the mainstream."

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 25 December 2005 13:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I was very moved despite having serious problems with Lee's fascination with repression; I just wrote a review with this thesis.

Actually, I liked Gyllenhaal much more than Ledger. For once he acts like a sex symbol, putting those blue eyes to good use.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 25 December 2005 14:22 (eighteen years ago) link

And, no, the film isn't "controversial," unless we mean in that Oscar bait sort of way.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 25 December 2005 14:24 (eighteen years ago) link

It isn't controversial to whom? When I said it wasn't controversial, I meant to me personally, but your phrasing sounds like you're saying it's not controversial at all, or that controversy isn't part of its intent.

n/a (Nick A.), Sunday, 25 December 2005 14:43 (eighteen years ago) link

It's definitely the film's intention to be controversial, and watching Heath Ledger ride Jake Gyllenhaal bareback will likely cause some people to squirm, but the film unconsciously reassures their prejudices: two queers can't live together cuz they ain't normal and their lives are sad, so let's watch this movie as our good deed of the year.

A more legitimately controversial film would have shown Ennis and Jack having fun fooling around whenever they got away to Brokeback Mountain, but perhaps Lee thought this would have violated Proulx's intentions.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 25 December 2005 15:00 (eighteen years ago) link

No, dude, independent films are those black and white hippie movies. They're always about gay cowboys eating pudding.

ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!! (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Sunday, 25 December 2005 15:15 (eighteen years ago) link

i just found out that I had the definition of bareback wrong all these years.

ShawShank Rambo Connection (Carey), Sunday, 25 December 2005 15:22 (eighteen years ago) link

i guess that is why all my college papers did not make sense.

ShawShank Rambo Connection (Carey), Sunday, 25 December 2005 15:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I was positively bored the whole time. Nearly fell asleep. It's just not compelling enough...and downright seemed to be hitting some of the worst notes of Giant along the way, no less.

The best part of the movie (for me) was recognizing that the Mexican prostitute was played by the director of photography (Rodrigo Prieto).

Eh, Sunday, 25 December 2005 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

the ending was so lovely: the oblique framing, everything...

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 26 December 2005 01:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, it was the end.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 26 December 2005 01:42 (eighteen years ago) link

DID I MENTION I DIDN'T LIKE THIS MOVIE LOL

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 26 December 2005 01:43 (eighteen years ago) link

dude, it's christmas. show some love for drunken buttsex movies.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 26 December 2005 01:45 (eighteen years ago) link

p.s. are you guys in chicago?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 26 December 2005 01:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I am in Virginia, I'll be back Tues. Sarah isn't getting back from France until Weds. night. I think John and some other CHILXors might be around though. How long are you going to be in town?

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 26 December 2005 01:47 (eighteen years ago) link


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