another maniacal Armond White review, this time "Fahrenheit 9/11"

nooooooooo!!!!!!!!!! xp

i think no country probably their best.

Brother-on-brother stories are as old as civil wars, I didn't really see Iraq at all.

My problem with Barley is that it wasn't humorless so much as emotionless.

ncfom isn't half-clever enough.

I admit I've only begun to think that in the past 10 years. When I saw it initially I thought it was brilliant so I may end up feeling like that about NCFOM in 2020.

fargo sucks.

"ncfom isn't half-clever enough."

It doesn't need to be.

boring and annoying. i used to kinda like it, too.

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Haven't seen anything I loved or thought was great from '07 yet. Or '06 (Inland Empire closest).

what does that even mean (re: clever/half-clever/whatever)

i have no idea.

but among the things i think no country is not enough: clever, interesting, imaginative, smart. funny. scary. sad.

(which are all things i think twbb and zodiac have plenty of.)

Zodiac is a good big-budget cop show (Armond thinks the voices of the men inhabiting it are too high).

no it's something more than that. you're not going to get away with dismissing a movie for its genre on this board, mister.

ok now i agree with slocki.

fargo sucks.

-- omar little, Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:09 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

insane

fargo sucks

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I'm not ... I just didn't find Zodiac an all-too-original example of that genre, the way its fans do.

Fargo is a smug funny-accent travesty.

i love tommy lee jones but his marshall in the fugitive is about 500 times better than his cop in ncfom

shit, his speech to rosario dawson at the end of men in black 2 is better than anything in ncfom

here is why fargo doesn't suck

frances macdormand
steve buscemi
peter stomare
william h macy
harve presnell

carter burwell

steve park
john carroll lynch

steve reevis

i think fargo got humanized by frances mcdormand. maybe being married to a coen helps. ncfom doesn't get humanized by anything.

Zodiac is not a genre picture

are you kidding? josh mf brolin.

steve reevis

-- remy bean, Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:21 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

fuck yeah

josh brolin is... misdirected

everyone is inscrutable and blank and we're supposed to project all these film crit motivations and desires onto them but i didnt really. i think the movie looked good and there were a couple half decent exchanges but to pretend its fucking with fargo or that its the best coen bros is crazy revisionism

tlj brings some humanity to it. i didn't like fargo because i thought it was generically directed when compared to the coens' best stuff. though their worst stuff is totally overdirected.

josh brolin's character was too stupid to live. (in the book as soon as he headed back out to the shooting site with the water, i completely lost interest in him.)

they don't look totally blank! there's just not a lot of dialogue! what, you want them to be making frownie faces and big wide-eyed A-HAs when they realize shit?

funny thing is the only reason he survived as long as he did is he went out there, because if he wasn't pursued from the start they would have just tracked him to his trailer and killed him and his wife there, right? that was the impression i got anyway.

Fargo & Barton Fink are the fave Coens films of people whose contempt for humanity is (even) great(er than mine).

how would they have tracked him to the trailer...?

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if he hadn't gone back there, there was nothing to tie him to it at all. it's a big clumsy plot device. and not surprising, since plot is not mccarthy's strong point.

my fave Coen Bros films are the comedies - Hudsucker Proxy and Big Lebowski

haha yeah plotting is definitely not what McCarthy's good at!

there was a tracking device in the money bag, which is how chigurh tracked him from place to place.

people who like hudsucker proxy hate humanity a lot more than people who like fargo

people who like intolerable cruelty just hate themselves.

where do O Brother fans fit in?

oh! you're right about the transponder. ok.

the character's still an idiot though.

(although the transponder didn't have much of a range, right? presumably if he'd just packed up and skipped town he would have been ok.)

people who like hudsucker proxy hate humanity a lot more than people who like fargo

uh okay I guess... I don't know what this means either

"the character's still an idiot though."

I didn't think this at all.

hudsucker proxy is shallow and glib, borderline autistic. the idea that because some midwesterners in fargo have funny accents the movie hates humanity is the most o_O thing on this thread.

no, he's a pretty resourceful and smart dude. who makes some pretty bad mistakes. who hates humanity now?