Come anticipate "The Dark Knight Rises" with *BATSPOILERS*

Val Kilmer was fine as Wayne/Batman. He didn't fit the role nearly as well as Keaton but he did a good-enough job of continuing the tone and he was removed enough to make the Robin situation seem a lot less like gross creepy pedophilia. Tommy Lee Jones did Two-Face completely wrong and no one involved in the film had any idea of what the character was actually supposed to be, so he ended up being a budget Joker. The Riddler was also verging on budget Joker, but since the original character is also kind of a budget Joker, it wasn't as off-putting.

"Batman and Robin" was ill-conceived on almost every level. A smarmy, self-satisfied Batman is never a good one, Chris O'Donnell was way too old to play Robin as so much of a whiny bitch, Alicia Silverstone was completely disengaged from the movie and Arnold played Mr. Freeze less like a scientist and more like The Terminator. Uma Thurman seemed to be the only one who read the script, looked at the costumes and sets and went, "hookay, in order for this to work at all, I need to out-camp the 60s series" and, as a result, her part was the only one that seemed like it matched the movie they were trying to make. Still wasn't enough to save the movie, though.

(sometime I should rewatch all of these movies to shore up my arguments, lol)

Still wasn't enough to save the movie, though.

need to put this in the understatement hall of fame

there was a weird period of time where chris o'donnell was actually a *star*, which i find kind of unbelievable.

mid 90s was a weird time

ha, is it really understatement to say "the one performance that seemed like it actually belonged in the film couldn't make up for the horribly misconceived portrayals of every other major character"?

I mean, the second best character in the movie is a tie between Alfred and BANE

Love the screenshots throughout:

http://www.agonybooth.com/recaps/Batman___Robin_1997.aspx

lol no no it was just kinda funny after thinking about the litany of things that are wrong with b&r (many of which you listed) that one could casually drop that thurman's performance (which i agree with you on) was not enough to save the movie.

Nicole Kidman's in there somewhere, no?

haha it says a lot for the impact/caliber of Nicole Kidman's character/performance that I completely forgot she was in this movie

i remember her because i was watching it with my dad and some older kids in the theatre kept yelling "fuck her! fuck her!" when she showed up in her nightgown and i was very embarrassed

oh my god, reading that recap is showing me that my mind was trying to protect me from how goddamned stupid this movie is

wait, she was in batman forever

xpost -- Kidman is in Forever. And yes, that recap brings back the pain.

Don't worry, they do that too:

http://www.agonybooth.com/recaps/Batman_Forever_1995.aspx

okay phew I am not as crazy as I thought I was

Which film was it that had the scene where Chris O'Donnell storms off in the Batmobile, is cruising for chicks, and then has to fight a bunch of thugs with a neon-light backdrop? That was some great material, there.

(My scorn for these films, so much scorn)

That was Forever.

http://www.agonyboothmedia.com/images/articles/Batman_Forever_1995/Batman_Forever_1995_037.jpg

She rubs up against Batman and tells him to "send Junior home" because she's got some "wild oats to sow!" [?] If this is supposed to be a plant-related pun, they are really, really reaching now. Then she slides over to Robin, saying that "On the other hand, youth does have its advantages!" She calls Batman "geriatric" and tells Robin that "My garden needs tending!" Ew. No thanks.

She grabs the diamond from Commissioner Gordon and puts it around her neck, then announces to the entire crowd that "some lucky boy's about to hit the honey pot!" Okay, that's the second plant-themed allusion she's made to her genitalia in about half a minute. This is a witty script, no? She then basically offers her body to the highest bidder, and the men all start yelling out dollar amounts at a feverish pace. If you're wondering why Ivy is attempting to become the highest-paid prostitute ever, keep watching.

holy hell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K2Y2cGDRhI

All of the promo posters and stills have Jim Carrey mugging with weird body language and facial expressions, just so you know this is a 90s Jim Carrey film with his totally awesome physical comedy and jokes.

I was a kid when I saw the Jim Carrey Riddler one and I really liked it for about a week or so. Batman & Robin is a movie so bad that it can't even be saved by the Rifftrax. Most of the movie they just sit in silence at how awful it is.

i was worried i'd hate the burton batman when i rewatched it recently, but it was really fun. i might take over dark knight as a whole - fewer ponderous speeches even if TDK has fresher "fuck YEAH" moments

Tom Hardy joins the cast.

Hahah this prediction maybe not too far off somehow:

Third Rock From The Sun kid to take over the Joker role. Maggie as Catwoman.

― I can't make my face turn into a heart (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, July 25, 2009 11:26 PM (1 year ago)

The Dark Knight Rises
http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2010/10/27/christopher-nolan-reveals-title-of-third-batman-film-and-that-it-wont-be-the-riddler/

Time for a thread title update...

shitty title, but so was Batman Begins

"The Dark Knight Rises" would make a good porn title.

Sounds like some studio bod wanted to call it "The Dark Knight II" and this was the compromise.

Pretty sure the villain is going to be Catwoman.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/50-Million-Strong-for-Neil-Hamburger-as-the-Riddler-in-the-next-Batman-film/127615277279042

Almost tempted to make a Worst Batman Movie Title poll, but as lame as this one is, nothing beats Batman Forever

Batman vs Bronson <---much better idea

Hardy could be a less well-known villain who they make as the official lead. Or how about the Penguin?

Pretty sure the villain is going to be Catwoman.

^^^my money's on this, seeing as how Maggie Gyllenhaal is still alive and under contract for the third movie

Maggie Gyllenhaal isn't playing Catwoman.

Pretty sure Christopher Nolan is the villain here.

xpost -- "Why Robin you've...changed."

Maggie Gyllenhaal isn't playing Catwoman.

and you say this, why...?

Because she played a character who died in the last movie. It's a stupid idea that audiences would find confusing.

xp She might be an interesting Catwoman, but what is it in Rachel Dawes' psychology/character arc that would make her return as a villain?

It will be hard for the third film to top the crazed-nihilist-attacks-the-city angle so it makes sense that they might go for a more ambiguous villain, someone who aligns with Batman in a different way to the Joker.

hardy as a nu-style Hugo Strange would give them a decent sci-fi angle

And characters rising from the dead isn't in keeping with Nolan's ultra-realistic real-world non-fantastical realistic Gotham.

Hoping it's Bane, frankly.

Because she played a character who died in the last movie. It's a stupid idea that audiences would find confusing.

I see you are unfamiliar with the cats/nine lives mythos. most importantly, you don't see her die on-screen. there are several oblique references to cats in the movie. how her character arc would be handled is a little more difficult to work out, but obviously the being betrayed by Bruce/let down by Batman thing would figure in

but really the dead giveaway is that she's under contract for the third movie.

what, do you think she's going to appear in a bunch of flashbacks or something.

I think haunting flashbacks make more sense for Nolan than magical resurrections.

I may be forgetting someone, but the options for new elements are basically Sexy Time With Catwoman, wacky mob types (Ventriloquist, Maxie Zeus, etc), sci-fi dudes (Freeze, Strange), vigilantes with an oppositional moral code (Azrael, Anarky) and monsters (Bane, Croc).

At once.