Joanna Newsom - Have One On Me (RIP blogs)

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ksh can i gently suggest that you don't need to post every bit of hoom-related internet ephemera in this thread?

almost done

alright, i'm out of hoom-related internet ephemera

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i liked 'nurse blorbius'

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hahahahaha

(I used to work with a dude whose initials are JN who recently started a Facebook group talking about how Scott Brown had betrayed Republicans by voting to allow debate on the Democrats' jobs bill go forward so large chunks of this thread are very disorienting to me until I remember we're talking about everyone's favorite squawking fae)

― Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Tuesday, February 23, 2010 5:55 PM

I thought I'd mentioned this before on this thread

Anyway now when I read all of this dude's Facebook updates, I hear Joanna Newsom singing them. Most of them are horoscope updates.

and no, I do not hug him

do you rub his unicorn horn

what, no

well once but I was drunk

we've all been there: eight beers in, rubbing your pal's unicorn horn, dreaming of a better life

I'm no big Newsom fan, disliked her before this album, think it could be cut down significantly.

But this thread brings the stupid like nothing I've seen on ILM before. Impressive.

hi, joanna.

glad you could make it

soundslike a big newsom fan to me

have one on me, how about no

I'm no big Newsom fan, disliked her before this album, think it could be cut down significantly.

But this thread brings the stupid like nothing I've seen on ILM before. Impressive.

― Soundslike, Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:34 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark

sometimes i think we need a rolling GRAND PRONOUNCEMENTS thread for ppl who parachute in at the end with shit like this.

think you should start a thread called "rolling GRAND PRONOUNCEMENTS thread for ppl who parachute in at the end with shit like this" tbf

half of it would be posts from me ;_;

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hoomers

okay if Hooters play Joanna Newsom as their restaurant music that would maybe be the greatest thing ever (just slightly over world piece and ending hunger, in case thomp was wondering)

thanks dan

world piece

ok then here is a less tetchy response to this post:

nothing has been getting me more furious lately than ppl claiming "good intentions paving co." is a "pop song" when all they mean is it has drums you can bob yr head to

― call all destroyer

well, no, it's a 'pop song' in that it: is catchy, airy, light; has a memorable and hooky melody with a verse-chorus-verse structure; presents an emotional situation which will be familiar to the majority of listeners; doesn't exploit out-of-time or out-of-tune sections for effect

if someone says it's a 'pop song' in the context of this record / joanna newsom in general that's a fairly straightforward proposition - we're talking compared to 'only skin' or the one with the "sweet appraising eye of the dog" bit

it's also self-evident that they don't mean 'pop song' in the sense 'will suddenly be sharing radio space with ke$sha and lady gaga'; it's a related sense of 'pop' to the ones people use when talking about big star or whatever. or guided by voices.

also, i actually did stay in to argue about indie music on the internet rather than protesting the occupation of fallujah; that wasn't meant to imply 'you would be a better person if you did this'. i can see how that wasn't really obvious.

I just sent two copies of HOOM to fallujah

doin' my part for the effort

john i don't think we blast shrill and confrontational music at detainees anymore

huh

ok thomp, re: gipc, my feeling is that yes it's being referred to as a pop song in the context of being one of the most accessible songs on the album (tho fwiw '81, on a good day, jackrabbits, and possibly easy are more so) but in terms of memorable melodies there are plenty of them throughout the record and i disagree that it has a verse/chorus/verse structure: at best it has an alternating structure w/two equal parts, followed by a weird slow section which mostly seems to exist so she can see how many times in a row she can use the same rhyme, followed by a piano/drums/trombone outro jam. it's also 7 minutes long. really lazy usage of "pop" imo when there are plenty of interesting things that could be said about it.

Nitush's essay is really a whole new thread but this strikes me as OTM:

"So whenever I hear complaints about new indie acts being predictable, bland, overly tasteful, or unambitious, I can't help thinking this might be part of the reason: That this scene may have started producing music the way some adolescents get dressed, corrosively self-conscious about any sign of unfashionable difference that opens them up to be mocked. At worst, you can wind up with a whole genre where the acts and the audience are both armoring themselves against standing out or embracing risks."

I wonder how many new artists - maybe more thin-skinned than they need to be - curb their creative ambitions knowing what the internet is like. I think this is also part of why so few younger bands mess with political lyrics - the fear of being ripped apart. Artists don't get enough time to breathe before they're dismantled by a thousand snarky voices.

i haven't read the essay yet, but i would like it if on april fools, pitchfork changed the name of the column to "nabisco otm" and made the whole article just this gif

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really lazy usage of "pop" imo there are plenty of interesting things that could be said about it

well, you know ... go on, then? but, yeah, sorry my reaction was so twattish. i get really annoyed at the whole 'x is THE WORST THING EVER' rhetorical structure lately. probably do it myself a great deal.

It's as if we've reached the point where one long-running indie value-- the idea that the performers are a lot like the audience-- has started eating up a much more interesting one: that indie can be a realm that embraces oddity and strangeness.

this is an interesting suggestion but I'm not sure that it's true, or at least, I'm not sure that it takes full account of the indie claim that performers are a lot like the audience: a big part of that claim, right, is that people are actually odd/strange; that inside every person-who's-just-like-every-other-person lies the unique quality of an individual's creativity. this is actually the big sticking point in indie stuff for a lot of people I think: this anti-performative indie urge, coming closer/attempting to come closer to expression (as opposed to/contrasted with peformance) - which is maybe some of people's beef w/JN: they see what she does as performance more than expression. (JN stans generally do not view her work this way, I think: for them it's a pure realm of expression.) for me, performance/expression is a bogus binary, I don't think they're really separable, but I think indie has long sided with "expression" as the approved model of creativity, pace the success of the Decembrists, whose divisiveness may have a good deal to do w/these q's

I don't think/speak as clearly as n*tsuh obv but that's a first take on his excellent essay anyway

but but the decemberists are all about performance!! (cf.: dorkily acting out 'mariner's revenge song', etc.)

did I misuse "pace"? I mean "the Decembrists are heavily performative, but they're an exception imo"

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^^^^^^^ this reminds me of how joanna newsom looks when she sings

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your face will freeze like that, honey

(nb yes pace misused above pls revise to "the Decembrists notwithstanding")

I wanna say though as a fellow funny-face-maker than generally speaking you make the faces you're just naturally gonna make when you sing. you could devote a lot of time & energy to learning how to pose like a model while you sing if you are self-conscious about bein a funny-face-maker but what a waste of time & energy that'd be. I don't think her faces are affectations, I think they're just how she looks when she sings.

Nabisco's essay is making me think I should have paid attention to Parenthetical Girls

J0hn, I think you're making the exact same point from a different angle; the scene calcifies around an identity embraced by the fans because that identity is held up as REAL and TRUE and makes the people in the scene feel validated because there are actually other people out there who are like them; viewing that perceived identity as a front or a mask means that the people in that scene are fake and/or deluded, and ergo not nearly as intelligent or perceptive as your are. That's the stance I'm getting from the article and I pretty much agree with it because I see that exact same sense of sneering dismissal from practically every musical subgenre I can think of (except possibly folk music because they're all too high).

I see that exact same sense of sneering dismissal from practically every musical subgenre I can think of (except possibly folk music because they're all too high).

the thread is about to arrive at the point of discussing the dynamics of subcultural spaces

ladies and gentlemen, we have liftoff

oh haha ok i agree with you then

re: newsom stans (do i count as one yet?) and 'expression': a lot of her recent press comes awfully close to maybe kinda sorta disavowing that. i dunno: in the arthur profile she talks about approaching some kind of state of 'skinlessness', which is considered in the article as what's really actually meant to be good about ys - whereas in the interview [nabisco] quotes (i think) she refers to her mindset at the time as smth like "basically pretty crazy"

3 x xposts

j0hn don't worry I won't persecute you for your facial expressions because they aren't the direct result of your trying to sing like angela lansbury

maybe my effort to sing like angela lansbury is just a crashing failure

future darnielle/newsom collaboration

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