T/S: Defamer v. Gawker

that said i sure do miss the gawker media checks i was getting on the reg for a while there and i def look at their various sites, albeit not all the time

xp that Post article is depressing as hell, but not for the Gawker writer

newspapers should really act more like gawker, that an editor at a major newspaper still think links are stealing is scary

it's not "scary", but rewriting other people's work -- which is what gawker (and othee mnstrm blogs) does above all else -- isn't anything to brag about.

probably a majority of newspaper writing is rewriting other people's work, and at least gawker tries to add jokes.

say it ain't so, joe

it ain't so

^^^ cut and pasted that from velko's post, depriving him of revenue

Gruber wrote a decent commentary about full-text RSS feeds just a couple days ago.

If you’ve got a model where revenue is tied only to web page views, switching to full-content RSS feeds will hurt, at least in the short term. The problem, I say, isn’t with full-content RSS feeds, but rather with a business model that hinges solely on web page views. The precious commodity that we, as publishers, have to offer advertisers is the attention of our readers. Web page views are a terribly inaccurate, if not outright misleading, metric for attention. Subscribers to a full-content RSS feed are among the readers paying the most attention, but generate among the least web page views.

A reader asking for a full-content RSS feed is a reader who wants to pay more attention to what you publish. There have to be ways to thrive financially from that.

probably a majority of newspaper writing is rewriting other people's work, and at least gawker tries to add jokes.

Tries is the operative word here.

For those who want their full-content feed back:

http://twitter.com/nicknotned/status/10241832261

― ksh, Tuesday, March 9, 2010 5:58 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

thank u ksh, owe you one

probably a majority of newspaper writing is rewriting other people's work, and at least gawker tries to add jokes.

― joe, Tuesday, March 9, 2010 7:12 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is a pretty dumb thing to say since what i linked was a concrete example of a print writer doing a lot of research and interviews the old-fashioned way, and explaining one of the things happening that's making it much less possible for writers to put that kind of work in (and, like, get paid for it) in the future.

content that involves doing a lot of research and interviews the old-fashioned way is indeed v valuable and praise worthy - its also represents a tiny fraction of what actually gets published - a lot of what does get published is rewriting w/o attribution other outlets news stories -until the washpost et al cio themselves they should stfu

the reaction is still scary, not from the reporter, he can feel deflated because he's unlikely to make any extra money from the publicity (although the gawker guy would have from a link) but for an editor to think that gawker's way of doing things isn't analogous of internet usage in general. this is what i don't get, it's like the internet operates best in a certain way and then editors expect it to act like it should all be printed out tomorrow and sold in a newsagent

http://www.observer.com/2010/media/alex-pareene-leaving-gawker-join-salon

dope -- pareene is consistently great

Wait, he's only 24?

i had the same thought, Ned

yeah, all those Gawk dudes are mad young and make me feel like a total failure tbh

john cook too?

hmm, they have kind of lost their best two writers there

age ain't nothing but a number WGW

Well more like I'm calculating back how young he would have been when he was first on here. Which I guess isn't too surprising.

how do you even get a job at 19. i'm confused.

<3<3<3

awesome <3

I do like his writing far better than Ana Marie Cox's, whom he took over Wonkette from. She retained too much of the suck.com hipster nihilism.

he should post more imo

well i guess im adding the salon war room to my google reader list

http://gawker.com/5521236/the-definitive-guide-to-alex-pareene

Why is Gawker so popular? The writing?

― kshighway (ksh), Monday, January 11, 2010

:-)

i think it's the HTML coding actually

― fella, cutie (s1ocki), Monday, January 11, 2010 11:13 AM

I have been reading War Room for years and I really hope that this kind of post is kept to a minimum, grasping at straws is a lot more tolerable when it's about celebs instead of politics.

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/05/03/obama_drone_joke_jonas_brothers/index.html

p@reene needs pageviews

Everyone who writes for a weekly or a blog is best friends and constantly giving each other hj's.

WHO IS GHOST RIDER

Still in Jeopardy mode, I see.

grasping at straws = Obama is an asshole?

cuz. he. is. a. homicidal. steward. of the. empire. who. likes. to. joke. about. it.

Jeopardy! answer:

a dinner that should get hit by a drone every year.

haha otm

when dads can't make jokes about being overly protective of their daughters the terrorists win

dads who haven't actually killed people "collaterally" still can

You know, it would've been Patriot missiles during the first Gulf War

um whut

oh actually yeah, when you think about it, defending israel from scud missiles is a bit like the phoenix program. my bad.

what?

But the problem isn't specifically with the joke itself. It's a sort of generic joke about the executive's unconstrained power that any postwar president could've delivered. You know, it would've been Patriot missiles during the first Gulf War, or jokes about the CIA or Secret Service disappearing people during the Cold War.

i guess my memory could be off, but was there something terribly unconstitutional/comparable-to-secret-assassinations-programs about the use of patriot missiles?

oh i dont think so--i mean their use was controversial--but i think i think its kind of beside the point he wants to make

i can remember the war, but not any controversy, and their use doesn't seem to have any relation to "the executive's unconstrained power" (cough healthcare cough) nor be comparable to bad things the CIA did off the books

my guess is pareene was going all out relentless for the zing -- which is exactly what barry obam's "daily show" speechwriters were doing

game should recognize game

mm

patriots shoot down other missles. he shoulda said tomahawks or the b2 bomber or something for a 90s tip /warnerd

max!!!!!!!!!

:-O