Big & Rich: Album of the Decade?

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There are always gonna be people who can't listen to rap/metal/country with an open mind/heart.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 24 June 2004 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Anthony, I was once in your position but I've come to see the light. My girl, too. We'd been talking for weeks about seeing this show. Signed up for their sweepstakes and everything and now feel like such an idiot for missing it. Anyway, the record's got a couple of clunkers, but overall, it is so damn fun.

danh (danh), Friday, 25 June 2004 00:47 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
So, just a note to say that this is now the number two country album in the country (behind Gretchen Wilson), and just entered Billboard's top ten pop album chart overall this week. It's apparently getting lots of airplay on *The World Series of Poker* as well. Frank Kogan says he keeps trying to find something else to be his album of the year, since Big & Rich don't often hit him on an *emotional* level per se' (his favorite thing on the album is the "cossack" stuff, as he called it, at end of "Real World"), but to no avail; he just keeps putting their album back on again and again anyway, and besides even with the Courtney Love album he basically only loves two songs, and this one only has a couple tracks he DOESN'T care about. He also says Cowboy Troy is a real good rapper, reminding him that the first rapper to tell people to throw hands in the air like they just don't care was Cowboy of Grandmaster Flash's Furious Five. In other news, Mr. Wonka, who screwed and chopped several '70s metal classics on his *Codeine Rock* CD-R early this year, has just recorded a "Paper-Rollin'" screwed and chopped remix of "Rollin (The Ballad of Big and Rich)," which he has already been in touch with Cowboy Troy about...

chuck, Friday, 16 July 2004 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link

re Bee Gees harmonies - check out "New York Mining Disaster"

dave q, Friday, 16 July 2004 23:59 (nineteen years ago) link

In other news, Mr. Wonka, who screwed and chopped several '70s metal classics on his *Codeine Rock* CD-R early this year, has just recorded a "Paper-Rollin'" screwed and chopped remix of "Rollin (The Ballad of Big and Rich)," which he has already been in touch with Cowboy Troy about...

Has this actually vibrated your eardrum, Chuck? I'm intrigued...

As to whether anything has surpassed this as my own album of the year, I can respond in one syllable: no. I've moved from song to song and vibe to vibe on it and still love it. Doesn't get as much play as back in June, but it's still tops.

frankE (frankE), Saturday, 17 July 2004 00:39 (nineteen years ago) link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3892581.stm

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Saturday, 17 July 2004 06:29 (nineteen years ago) link

They're the Junior Senior of country!

Based on the five tracks I've heard, this seems to be among the most OTM notes on this puppy.

I'll be buying this week.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 17 July 2004 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh and I'm an ex-Nashvillian and I can tell you that the music industry treats even B-list rockers like royalty. Fuck, Kid Rock can own an entire club just by walking in. It's like when fat ugly people vacation as sex tourists in Third World countries so that they can be flattered, buttered up and blown.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 17 July 2004 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link

should read: the music industry THERE ("there" being Nashville) treats even B-list rockers yadda yadda

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 17 July 2004 19:39 (nineteen years ago) link

anthony easton on the new york london paris munich website:

>Big and Rich Save A Horse, Ride a Cowboy.

This is not country--it is on country radio, country music television,the country station on Yahoo Launch, and reviewed as country by Chuck Eddy in the Village Voice. I am glad that it is well liked, that it is getting notice and that it is the Video to Watch according to Yahoo,and the most requested on my local country radio station. The thing is that the whole thing is too camp, too sexy, too artificial, too glam to be country. It shows off too much, its all about the egos of Mr Big and Mr Rich. A a real cowboy doesn't give out 100 dollar bills to random bar patrons, there is a New York reference and no cowboy ever came to NYC--Joe Buck excepted.

This is country. It quotes Willie Nelson who is always automatically country. Not only does Willie come in to play, so do horses and that makes it doubly country (see Beer For My Horses by Toby Keith and MrNelson). It features getting drunk and making out in the back of apick up truck (not fucking, the fucking is implied, no this is just a little touch football). The title is that slightly risque pun that has been done since the beginning. As well, there are the fiddles...country has fiddle solos, nothing else does. Plus it combines sex and salvation--Jesus and Jezebel have been recent development, but they are there--Jason McCoy's Born Again in Dixieland is the only one that comes immediately to mind.

It might be hip hop. The highly self aware samples that are found through out the track and what begins it. (anyways aren't horse samples in, what with the newish noisy Missy Eliot). Then the handing out random money and buying rounds as a way to win games of masculine performance, would fit in quite well. As well, the mention of the phrases Bling Bling, Escalade, Freak Parade and Getting Buzzed. Then there is all the talking in the third person "having as big and Rich time", and some of the fiddle solos are thoroughly electronic.

Looking at the video, and how Big and Rich look like a fagged up Brooks and Dunn--if Brooks and Dunn weren't fagged up enough as it is, plus all of the heavily sexualised weirdness(Drag Queens, Dwarfs,Chorus lines of business suited girls in elaborate garters) , plus how they use the same bridge that Kenny Chesney used for the Young video, which couldn't be more earnest, and this couldn't be less. Maybe it is a conflation of pop and country music trends, a careful, ironic gloss on the nature of where things are, but that care is taken to make sure that it is more fun--its like he is countryfying the same shit that everyone else has been listening to in the last few years (ie Crown vs Kristal, the girls drinking long necks, etc.)

I wonder if this cross pollution is worth doing...country took from the alt boom a new traditionalism in subject matter, but not musically in a way that makes anything interesting. This might be a thumb nose to how fucking boring things have become, how treacly and how poignant. We used to have big summer anthems that came blaring from sexy boys in pick up trucks, and there hasn't been one in a long time-- this one isn't the most usual sense but it might just work until we get something really new tweaked.

Anthony Easton

chuck, Wednesday, 21 July 2004 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Finally am hearing this damn thing and so far all that's been described for it is accurate. It's designed to piss off so many people by being so good in different ways! I approve.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Because of the poll results, I listened to this last week.
I had never heard of them before.

I will not ever need to listen again.

peepee (peepee), Thursday, 2 September 2004 00:54 (nineteen years ago) link

har har. your loss p.p.

"holy water", "wild west show", "save a horse", etc., etc. have stood my quarterly review. this made my best of the decade and will undoubtedly be in my year end best-of list.

frankE (frankE), Thursday, 2 September 2004 00:59 (nineteen years ago) link

For me, not even close. "ForwardthinkingYoungCountry" might be an important tool to help Nascar Nation get its head outta its ass, but
I'm positive there's a lot of other stuff out there that I haven't heard yet that I'll check out before giving this another shot.

peepee (peepee), Thursday, 2 September 2004 01:29 (nineteen years ago) link

btw I wasn't pissed off when I listened to the album...
...just a shrug

peepee (peepee), Thursday, 2 September 2004 01:33 (nineteen years ago) link

hey peepee try this:
headphones on a nice long walk
on a real hot day

that's when it started
to make sense to me at first
it's got, like, layers

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 2 September 2004 01:56 (nineteen years ago) link

i was sort of underwhelmed by the big single, but i like anthony's review and i'm totally willing to get into this if i can. i hope i can get a copy someday.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Thursday, 2 September 2004 02:16 (nineteen years ago) link

it's got, like, layers

Quite a few. Drags a bit in the middle, I think, but that's some damn good hard rock there (along with everything else). It's sorta like what Kid Rock was/is trying for, but better.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 September 2004 02:33 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah the three god songs really aren't all that (well, two of 'em), and the fake-indian and fake-cowboy one just bore the bejeezus outta me. but it's a great fun shiny thing anyway, even if I don't really want to listen to it weekly or anything

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 2 September 2004 02:40 (nineteen years ago) link

if i was skeptical before (and remain a bit so) it's because the *concept* seems to very obviously push certain of chuck's buttons: admixture of "black" and "white" genres that will possibly confound and excite fans of both; unabashedly populist (and popular); etc. which is not to say that the *music* isn't necessarily great, but a lot of critical hosannas (in general, not just referring to chuck or to this album) seem to be a response to what an album *represents* more than how it *sounds*.... i think that explains a lot of the albums on the pazz & jop polls that we now look at and just shrug (arrested development etc.). but the fact that so many people--with different perspectives/tastes/agendas-- have given this album a thumb's up makes me much more willing to give it a chance.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Thursday, 2 September 2004 03:05 (nineteen years ago) link

a lot of critical hosannas (in general, not just referring to chuck or to this album) seem to be a response to what an album *represents* more than how it *sounds*

Heh. Interestingly enough, this is often what I was thinking about many (not all) reactions to Justified.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 September 2004 03:13 (nineteen years ago) link

C'mon Ned, you doubt ppl's honest reactions to "Cry Me A River"?

djdee2005, Thursday, 2 September 2004 03:32 (nineteen years ago) link

*SIGH*

MANY (NOT ALL)

If needed, I will e-mail an mp3 of that on an endless loop.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 September 2004 03:40 (nineteen years ago) link

hahaha heaven.

djdee2005, Thursday, 2 September 2004 03:41 (nineteen years ago) link

i was all ready to believe the hype up through "Holy Water," but the album seems to fall apart a bit after that - "Saved" and "Drinkin' Bout You" are pretty good, but "Real World" and the last two are instantly forgettable, "Save a Horse" still just sounds too bad-gimmicky to me, and "Love Train" is execrable. It's still top 20 of the year for me just cause of greatness like "Wild West Show," "Kick My Ass," and "Six Foot Town" though.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Thursday, 2 September 2004 06:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I played my friend "rollin'" & she said it sounded like "that country song metallica did".

etc, Thursday, 2 September 2004 07:19 (nineteen years ago) link

See my girlfriend's comments upthread; weird, why do GIRLS hear the metallica connection? except i wonder what "country song metallica did" your friend is talking about --"whiskey in the jar," maybe?

people have been writing about how the album sounds, not just what it stands for, ever since the thing came out (all through this thread, and elsewhere). ditto justin's album, so i don't get that complaint at all. but that's just me. + "real world," "save a horse," and "wild west show" are three of the best songs on the album, to my ears. though it's still neat how people gravitate toward different tracks.

chuck, Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:29 (nineteen years ago) link

ned: i know what you mean about justin timberlake. i think the album is spotty, although there isn't a song that i really dislike, just a few i'm sort of "eh" about.

i think an album can have enormous merit and *still* be sort of misjudged (not necessarily "overrated") by its critics on account of what it represents in the marketplace. but like i said, this is a skepticism i'm happy to put aside right now. i know many people have been writing about how the record sounds--the reason i'm more open to it than my reaction to the single would normally allow.

amateur!!st, Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:34 (nineteen years ago) link

And oddly, "Holy Water," which lots of people seem to love, is one my *least* favorite tracks (though I still like it fine); it's kinda draggy, like most of the slower songs except "Wild West Show" (which is completely beautiful; that Morricone/Duane Eddy twang kills me every time). But again, different strokes...

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chuck, Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

god the morricone/eddy twang in 'hey ya' (i've called it that for a while now, why stop now) totally makes it for me too, for some reason (or several actually) this song always reminds me of 'seminole wind' which is only one of my fave songs ever so i'm sure that plays into my loving it too

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, "Seminole Wind" by John Anderson; wow, that TOTALLY makes sense. And that was one of the best country songs of the '90s, easy -- especially the long version with all that okefenokee swamp alligator music at the beginning. (Donna the Buffalo do a really good cover of that song, by the way.) (Weirdly, though, what "Wild West Show" always makes ME think of is "Indian Outlaw" -- though the Big & Rich version is much better than the Tim McGraw version.)

chuck, Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link

i hate "holy water" and "real world" is easily the best song on the album

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:51 (nineteen years ago) link

ditto justin's album, so i don't get that complaint at all

This will sidetrack massively if I really get into it, but I'll just say that more than once I had a (completely individual) sensation that if that album didn't exist it would have to be invented, that it can be seen to function as a massive wish fulfillment of (in the VERY VERY broadest of terms) early 21st century teen-pop-into-hip-hop in the highest of profiles. Please note I say 'seem to function,' though, and that Chuck's observation is fully accurate.

As for Big and Rich again, they can't get loud enough for me. I want speed-metal chords as hooks next.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:54 (nineteen years ago) link

It's out here on Monday! I am excited.

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Frank Kogan told me that "Real World" is his favorite track, too (on by far his favorite album of the year, last time we talked about it) -- because of that insane Red Nex-style cossak-disco squaredance it turns into. (Though maybe I already said that upthread, I forget.)

chuck, Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I think you will like it very much, Jel! It will appeal to the RAWK beast in your soul.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't like B&R but lemme tell ya, I heard Kings of Leon for the first time this morning. I cannot get worked up about B&R anymore, not while that's out there.

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 2 September 2004 17:33 (nineteen years ago) link

gah i saw KoL live (as an opening act) and they were AWFUL

amateur!!st, Thursday, 2 September 2004 18:11 (nineteen years ago) link

i like it for the faux-reggae opening verses that remind me of the dillard hartford dillard album. (i don't think it's my fave album of they year, but def. top ten)

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 2 September 2004 19:44 (nineteen years ago) link

See my girlfriend's comments upthread; weird, why do GIRLS hear the metallica connection? except i wonder what "country song metallica did" your friend is talking about --"whiskey in the jar," maybe?

I'm betting it's Metallica's cover of Bob Seger's "Turn the Page." Which it doesn't sound like really, but ...
Nevertheless, I'm having trouble getting overly excited about this album as a whole. There are certainly some fine songs, and I understand the thought process behind it, but ... eh. I guess I'll give it some time.

Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Thursday, 2 September 2004 23:08 (nineteen years ago) link

that's funny you mention them b/c I've been looking for bands that reminded me of DBT
Tried Slobberbone? Not that I'm into them, but there are a lot of DBT fans who are ...

Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Thursday, 2 September 2004 23:10 (nineteen years ago) link

They sound very Vedder-ish on the first two tracks. The entire first half doesn't spring out as much as I expected it to, it's not as immediate/cartoonish as "Save A Horse (Ride A Cowboy)" and everything that comes after it; even the rapping seems a bit shy and restrained. A lot of it sounded to me like it could be The Wallflowers or Train or whatever, I guess that's where the layers come in (have only heard once, and as such haven't had a chance to explore them yet.) That said the second half is very much the OTT instant appeal extravaganza that I had expected, so I'll accept the first one even if it doesn't turn out to be as great on repeated listening as you guys say it is.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 3 September 2004 00:29 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
I'm really glad I stumbled across this thread! I saw the Save a Horse video on a UK music channel months ago, had the seemingly-standard "WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?" reaction then couldn't remember who sang it.
Mr Eddy, your enthusisasm for this record is both highly infectious and totally spot on! I managed to find a copy yesterday, and right now even 'album of the decade' seems to be damning it with faint praise...

M Carty (mj_c), Friday, 24 September 2004 07:40 (nineteen years ago) link

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chuck, Tuesday, 28 September 2004 14:57 (nineteen years ago) link

! And Bad Brains dudes too? Man. There's a show I want a bootleg of.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:00 (nineteen years ago) link

fascinating. by this time next year, they'll probably be adding ween, the roots and string cheese incident to the mix.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I was just thinking to myself last week that Big and Rich REALLY NEEDED to cover the first example of their kind of music, Parliament's "Little Old Country Boy." This will give them their damn chance for realz. I wanted to move to Tennessee last year but it didn't work out and now I will be kicking myself forever as there is very little chance that this tour will repeat itself in Wisconsin.

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:08 (nineteen years ago) link

the press release says the Bad Brains guys HAVE been in the funk mob, not that all these people will be at the show.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 20:56 (nineteen years ago) link

So I'm finally getting around to listening to this.

Is genre-crossing all it takes to become the album of the year these days?

And didn't Kid Rock kind of do this already?


I don't get it, Tuesday, 28 September 2004 23:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't think of another album that came out this year that even comes close to this album for sheer enjoyment. I just listened to it again tonight and if anything I like it even more now. I STILL get chills when I hear Rollin' and Save A Horse. Real honest to goodness CHILLS. That doesn't happen that often to me.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 23:17 (nineteen years ago) link


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