this is the thread where the ILM massive teach mark s a *LESSON*

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you were not very nice to somebody (composer) in your rise and spral (of horrible noise, not yr behind the music rise and sprawl). you know who i mean. listen again. then come to the Real Dirty South (the one where we can't afford ipods and Lil Jon CDs). and make and sell and buy and even listen to loose joints (in the mixtape sense). on the street. keeping your bias normal, your case low, your new year off-white, and represent.

― don, Saturday, 1 January 2005 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link

listen to aussie pop in 80s - wa wa nee "sugar free"

― paul grey, Saturday, 1 January 2005 17:02 (nineteen years ago) link

from failing memory, isn't john oswald is the only person i'm unremittingly nasty to in rise and sprawl (unless you count j!m de r0gat!s as a composer, or mark lamarr)?

(but it's a very long piece so i probbly said a million things i no longer think especially)

i don't own and can't afford an ipod :(

rockist i own records by ned s. but i never read him: but one of the records i really really like - ever-wideining circles, the one he did w.the persuasions - so i will give that book a go some time

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 1 January 2005 17:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I was going to link to my thread about the book, but I think that must be one of the lost threads. Anyway, it's very good, and much of it should be of interest to anyone interested in the musical interactions between Africa, the New World, and Europe.

― RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 1 January 2005 17:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Kind of like a less rockcriticerly, more expansive, Stomp and Swerve, but focusing on a different musical center.

― RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 1 January 2005 17:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes of course I meant Oswald. It's the name isnt it. Put yr patriotism aside just that much ok? (Larue do you like Irakere? I like the LP ca. '78, from before several of their MVP jumped ship, pretty much literally. Does he talk about them, and/or Charlie Haden's Liberation Music Orchestra?)

― don, Saturday, 1 January 2005 18:14 (nineteen years ago) link

The Sublette book only goes up to the 50s. He has a second volume planned. I'm actually not that big a fan of Cuban music per se. I prefer Puerto Rican/NuYorican/Colombian stylings, but still, the basic foundation for salsa comes via Cuba, so I am interested. I haven't liked anything I've heard by Irakere.

― RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 1 January 2005 18:18 (nineteen years ago) link

i happy end of 2004
ii miss scanning a ILX thread to get mark's take on the question
iii should mail you a disc of music

― nick.K (nick.K), Saturday, 1 January 2005 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link

haha don i just realised that wz you!!

but i am still trying to codecrack the patriotism gag

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 2 January 2005 02:28 (nineteen years ago) link

i did in fact grow up near a town named for the fact that a long-ago saxon king called oswald hid in a a tree once (or wz killed by a tree or something)

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 2 January 2005 02:29 (nineteen years ago) link

but i'm saving the details of that for my sleater-kinner lesson

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 2 January 2005 02:30 (nineteen years ago) link

"Lee Harvey" was what I had in mind (relates to yr. patriotism cause Blair is Bush's poodle and your Prime Minister, nyah nyah, nah nah nah)(Bush is *my whut whut) Intriguing bout the tree (seriously), but I'll wait for the sleater-kinner(?) lesson. In the meantime, more musical recs: RIO BAILE FUNK:FAVELA BOOTY BEATS and Daara J's BOOMERAN and reggaeton too, cos you need a sunny vacation I would imagine (more UK stereotyping but still!)

― don, Sunday, 2 January 2005 04:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Sleater-Kinner fuckin suck dog balls

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 2 January 2005 05:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Really? Too bad. Sleater-Kinney's pretty good, though.

― don, Sunday, 2 January 2005 05:25 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...

hey mark just wanted to say hi. i dig radio free narnia...see ya.

― Destroy A. Monsters (Destroy A. Monsters), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:52 (seventeen years ago) link

man that louis prima story justifies ilm in its entirety

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 22:44 (seventeen years ago) link

di is back so maybe i shd do my tyrannosaurus rex one AT LAST

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:08 (seventeen years ago) link

and thx abt rfn -- sorry it's been a bit far-and-few-between lately

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:08 (seventeen years ago) link

is your beef with oswald easily summarized?

― milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:21 (seventeen years ago) link

i am back! i am here! i am reading! i am writhing with anticipation!

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:23 (seventeen years ago) link

that beef w.oswald:
he had an extremely feeble video piece in the show i talk about in the rise-and-sprawl piece, as well as what i recall as a very smug cover interview in the wire round about the same time -- esp.as the culture-jamming meme was more than a bit played at that point, but no one challenged him on this

so i wz very grumpy at him -- ppl told me afterwards i was bein unfair, and that's totally possible -- i wz just fed of readin how Amazingly Daringly Subversive he was Pokin Fun at Pop, i think, and never anything abt how else his stuff maybe worked

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:44 (seventeen years ago) link

ah ok -- his video works aren't my favorite either. I wouldn't call him smug, but he's definitely self-id's as art-world & thus rubs some people the wrong way, especially these days now that 'sampling' seems so obvious as to be politically inert

that 2 CD 'plunderphonic' box is a little indigestable, but I think you might like his 'WX' from 1983 or the revised 'Plexure' if you're curious about how he earned his rep

― milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 00:13 (seventeen years ago) link

WX = scroll down to final 11 tracks

― milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 00:23 (seventeen years ago) link

(just bumpi'nso asto keep 'eh lessons withinteh mark s's visibleness, wellhopefully)

― tiit (tiit), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 00:32 (seventeen years ago) link

(mock me willya?) Um, if i can still make suggestions mark how about "Breaking the Split Screen Barrier" by Kim Deal's garage band The Amps?

― Destroy A. Monsters (Destroy A. Monsters), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 22:10 (seventeen years ago) link

four years pass...

early post by me^

I wish these were still going on...would love to hear him unpack a Breeders/Amps song or two; somewhere around here Sinker talks about having a shot with Kelley Deal

― taking drugbs (to make music to take drugbs to) (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 23 June 2011 22:45 (twelve years ago) link

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