Luck: HBO series: David Milch, Dustin Hoffman, Michael Mann

i have really been liking dustin hoffman lately. if anyone hasn't seen STRAIGHT TIME, do so now.

^^ funnily enough, michael mann helped write it

I read a copy of the pilot not that long ago. Funny crazy-wisdom stuff about "the degenerates" -- compulsive gamblers (one on a Rascal scooter) made me laugh out loud, but a little bit of the JFC poetic-jargony-quirkiness made it a difficult read. Also, the racetrack lingo seemed to lack both the hard-bittenness of Milch's cop shows, and the zonked-out beach mysticism of JFC and, honestly, felt a little bit like latter-day-Mamet. That said, I will definitely watch this.

Great to hear about the script, remy.

Maybe Nolte too.

http://www.tvgasm.com/newsgasm/nick-nolte-mug-shot.jpg
"Green Flash is a lock in the 7th, his mudder was a mudder"

haha shit.

http://www.tvgasm.com/newsgasm/nick-nolte-mug-shot.jpg

i look forward to this series ending unresolved after one season, leaving everyone frustrated and angry.

apparently d-hoff is super-famous for being a hard-on about script-approval so im kind of amazed he's agreed to do serial television

commenters from blog that posted the Nolte news

Amazing Grouping. Will be interesting to see
how quickly it implodes after Milch and Mann
start the wrestling match for control.
Both are micro managers and used to their
own way on projects!
Can’t wait for the fireworks.
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Good luck getting episode 3 in the can with this group !!! Could be one of those projects that looks great on paper, which it does, but is impossible to produce because of the personalities involved. Hoffman, Nolte & Mann stories are legendary. WIll be interested to see how they work together on a television schedule, even if it is an HBO television schedule (12-14 days per episode).
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I wonder how accurately they will portray some of the degenerate horse racing gambler types. The ones I see at the track who bring their entire family while they sit there and bet on every single race.

what's wrong with a guy bringing his family to the track. are they bored? is he betting the rent money? kinda painting with a broad brush there.

^^^^ capn. save-a-gambler

I bet on every race when I go to the track. That's kind of the point, innit?

Jockey underworld will be more interesting than stock degenerate gamblers. Dudes puking and popping laxatives to stay light.

yeah milch and mann are super-notorious control freaks.

watch the bonus features on the deadwood box set. the poor credited directors have to kind of sit back and smile warily at the camera while milch jumps in and gives the actors direction.

that said, i got the feeling that the deadwood features were all about elevating milch to some kind of television godhead, so it may be that they choose to include the footage that made it look as though he was the central or even sole creative force. which is belied by the fact that some episodes of that show were pallid, while others (notably the pilot directed by walter hill) were really great.

i should add: pallid and great in a way that suggested the hands of a director at work.

who's gonna win this rachel alexander v zenyatta race

― johnny crunch, Wednesday, March 3, 2010 11:02 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark

Rachel has a license to improve from age 3 to 4 so if she is better than last year I don't see her losing

― dmr, Wednesday, March 3, 2010 11:37 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark

haha well .... Rachel just lost to a horse not even as good as Zenyatta in what was supposed to be Rachel's easy comeback race so don't listen to me, obv.

Rachel vs. Zen probably won't happen now, at least not on April 9. (Zenyatta won again today and looked good)

sorry to hijack Milch thread with real life horse racing news, back to our regularly scheduled programming ...

David Milch reading with Q&A:

http://media.sas.upenn.edu/writershouse/10A/Milch-David_Fellows-Reading_KWH-UPenn_04-26-2010.mp3

full season done been ordered

watch the bonus features on the deadwood box set. the poor credited directors have to kind of sit back and smile warily at the camera while milch jumps in and gives the actors direction.

ehh tv directors know what the score is

like to see him give directions on michael mann's set

when does the pilot/full season air?

love the scenes of milch on pillows, dictating the script in front of an audience on those bonus features. all that's missing is a grape-feeder.

next year

like, the 'boardwalk empire' pilot was done about this time last year. kind of chill that hbo film a whole season before airing it -- i guess you can keep the whole thing more consistent than on deadline-chasing network tv?

wonder when the bigelow series is coming. hbo must have deep pockets.

xpost

john from Cincinnati kinda soured me

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-ca-1010-michael-mann-20101010,0,6409892,full.story

this gonna be as shitty as boardwalk empire or

hope not ;_;

me too, maybe this is the that'll stick

hbo needs it tbf

what was the last good hbo series? curb?

"The 'Miami Vice' director's return to the small screen is part of a migration of top talent."

You're going to go w/ "Miami Vice" out of Michael Mann's repertoire, LA Times?

well, miami vice was the last time he did tv so.......

what was the last good hbo series? curb?

― caek, Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:55 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

eastbound!

do people still watch treme? i liked it at first but had like a physical aversion to watching it. same with boardwalk empire. it just feels exhausting.

See is it bad that I thought of the move and not the TV show? xp

treme was dreadful. i'm going to give boardwalk maybe a couple more episodes. the most recent one was the least bad so far but still hard work.

when was the last good hbo drama? feel like the answer is oz tbh.

are you joking?

sopranos? wire? 6 ft under?

lol forgot the wire

in my defence, that was nearly 100 blog years ago

oz was before blogs even existed!

slock, check your gmail

treme is great, y'all are high

The 2006 film "Miami Vice," a remake of the television show with very little evidence of that heritage, was seen as a creative misstep, and it grossed a lukewarm $164 million worldwide (its production budget was $135 million).

guess the LA Times doesn't read the blogosphere.

Also ya'll are crazy. Treme was great, Deadwood is the best show ever made, Rome was solid fun, In Treatment has been very good, and Boardwalk Empire is just now finding it's legs.

rome was awesome

what was the last good hbo drama? feels like the answer is arli$$

BTW, in that UPenn link up above, Milch reads the pilot script for Luck (reads all the parts and the directions and everything) and it's good.

They just put up a Q&A with Milch at the LA Times:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2010/10/david-milch-hopes-for-visceral-experience-with-hbos-luck.html

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/f71b5774-dd62-11df-beb7-00144feabdc0.html

next movie projects are battle of agincourt and 50s chicago gangsters

Another Michael Mann interview

Oops, same link as caek.

http://blog.jopinionated.com/2007/08/22/exclusive-deadwoodjohn-from-cincinnati-actor-jim-beaver-responds.aspx

hbo canceled it, then reacted to the fan/media backlash by offering milch two two hour episodes to wrap things up but at that point the actors had been released from their contracts milch was working on john from cincinnati wkrp and it never happened

iirc

ive said this before but i think all he does now are 'interesting failures' -

Mentioned upthread re Mann, but hard to see Milch doing anything but as well, unless he makes his Moby Dick.

hbo cancelling deadwood was just incredibly stupid on their part.

it was a tragic is what it was!

booo! booing u hbo, damn

But wasn't the show sort of backed in a corner by the fact that, you know, it was based on actual people and their fates? Can't keep Hearst the local heavy when he becomes a senator. Though I guess they could have tried.

I don't think that had any effect on anything. They weren't trying to keep the show on the air forever, just finish telling their story. HBO cut them off one season short.

http://www.vulture.com/2012/03/michael-mann-david-milch-interview-luck-horses-cancellation.html?mid=twitter_vulture

there was gonna be a flood and a fire!

Hearst left at the end of Season 3, though he sort of won. Season 4 would have dealt with the fallout of the elections. xposts

Sepinwall interviews Milch about the finale.

I didn't realise that Milch new the end of Deadwood was...the end. I thought that scene at the end was too perfect.

Thought Luck really found its way towards the end there. Also thought the last two eps got the Mann-style really well. I will miss it.

That episode was amazing.

Yeah. Bittersweet. I really liked this show a lot.

Up there I meant "knew" and not "new.

god that last episode was great-- so sad its over

"whats the story with us?"
"i suspect in the long run, we all go broke"

i want to see a "making of" that explains how the fuck they shot the racing scenes

HBO's cancellation of the beleagured horseracing drama "Luck" cost the network $35 million, according to an earnings report released by Time Warner Wednesday.

Time Warner, which owns the premium cable provider, said it suffered the "impairment" because of the series' cancellation in its first season following the death of three horses.

The show had already started production on its second season, and most of the costs were attached to shutting down production during that unaired season, resulting in the $35 million writedown, HBO said.

so that's how much a horse costs

they can make it back, go hard on the derby this wkend

Not sure if this is upthread, but a very sobering piece about the horse racing industry:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/04/30/us/breakdown-horses-series.html

http://www.followhorseracing.com/en/the-latest/blogs/2013/02/17/out-of-luck-episode-1-buy-low-sell-high/

holy cow that horse run very good.

― ⚓ (gr8080), Monday, January 9, 2012 6:37 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/david-milch-made-100m-gambled-866184

Damn, he looks pretty good for 70.