These New Puritans

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Got impatient and acquired it anyway. Will probably buy when I have the funds again though, because I absolutely love it.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 23:12 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

Wau at track I'd say: this album is actually a proper Thing!

anatol_merklich, Friday, 16 April 2010 21:38 (nine years ago) link

"at track 6 I'd say", sorry.

anatol_merklich, Friday, 16 April 2010 21:38 (nine years ago) link

three months pass...

to say that this album is utterly underwhelming after 'we want war' is an understatement

it's like 'hey we had one song that insidiously and skillfully built up the tension to an awesome climax - and a load of other songs that bashed around with loud drums for a bit and didn't develop at all!'

RIP la petite mort (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 16:34 (nine years ago) link

well, "5" is really good as well. but the rest can hang.

RIP la petite mort (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 16:36 (nine years ago) link

no one in america has ever heard this band

the food has a top snake of 1 (ulillillia), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:36 (nine years ago) link

Hi I live in America and like this band a lot.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:37 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, me too. And while I find the new album pales in comparison to the debut, it has grown on me. But we may see it as classic sophomore slump in the future.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 19:25 (nine years ago) link

So if I were to have to choose between seeing this band and Fucked Up, I should see Fucked Up.

NB. I like Fucked Up but have seen them before, and I was curious about TNP because lots of people around here seem to like them.

a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 19:27 (nine years ago) link

Saw them live in 2008 (American here!) and even though me and one other person were the only ones who knew the lyrics to the songs, it was still a very BIG, fun performance. George kills it on the drums and is very fun to look at.

Loverboy (Spinspin Sugah), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 19:43 (nine years ago) link

nobody has answered my criticisms of the album

'we want war' is one of the best songs of the last few months, but nothing else (apart from '5') lives up to it

RIP la petite mort (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 19:45 (nine years ago) link

nobody has answered my criticisms of the album

Nothing to answer, really, as I more or less agree with you.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 23:22 (nine years ago) link

I don't mind going to bat for these guys. Don't think that Hidden is as one dimensional as LJ has portrayed it. Sure there's repetition of certain themes and sounds, but they're being pulled into different shapes track by track and that's what makes it all hang together as an album IMO. Like those drums - yeah, they're always loud and militaristic, but sometimes they're banging out brute hip-hop-ish beats, other times they're more like some sort of ceremonial music by Purcell, like from one of his marches or something. It ends up suggesting this weird mix of current and historical tensions. Same with stuff like that sword sound that keeps popping up. Is it a Wu-Tang reference? Or is some sort of medievalist shit going on? (I love that sound btw, it's probably a bit naff throwing it in there as this signifier of menace, but I think it really works as a sound in itself. Kind of reminiscent of the way that Ben Frost used the howling wolves on his album last year in that respect?)

Odd that you picked up on the closing track, '5', because that's the one track that I couldn't imagine listening to outside of the context of the preceding tracks. Love the way it start out with those Vespertine-ish chimes, but then the woodwinds start playing what sounds like the same melody they played in 'Canticle' and then there's that choral melody that creeps in that seems to be looking back at 'Orion', but it's a lot more muted this time round. Give it a few more listens as a whole, cos things will start falling into place a bit better then.

WOOD! GOBLINS! (NickB), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 22:14 (nine years ago) link

BTW:

16 July 2010

Big News:

ĦỊĐĐỂŅ LIVE

This winter, These New Puritans present ‘Hidden Live’ – a chance to to witness the album
performed, as it was recorded, with 15-piece brass and woodwind ensemble, multiple
prepared-pianos, live Foley techniques, taiko drums and more; the orchestra will be
conducted by André de Ridder (Gorillaz, Monkey). Following on from the debut per-
formance at London’s Barbican Centre in October with the Britten Sinfonia there will follow
shows at the the Pompidou Centre, Paris, and Crossing Border Festival, Den Hague with more
to be announced in the coming weeks.

WOOD! GOBLINS! (NickB), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 22:17 (nine years ago) link

two months pass...

Thanks Nick. They were exactly how I wanted them to be.

The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 8 October 2010 16:51 (nine years ago) link

Extremely good article -- got me interested in the band singlehandedly!

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 October 2010 17:09 (nine years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Bump.

Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 29 October 2010 05:21 (eight years ago) link

All about Fire-Power.

Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 29 October 2010 05:46 (eight years ago) link

The music's pretty interesting, but the singing reminds me of Audio Bullys. Also could do with some metal guitars here and there.

A brownish area with points (chap), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 12:28 (eight years ago) link

I'm very, very glad at the absence of metal guitars.

Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 12:35 (eight years ago) link

^ see the last paragraph of Dorian's piece linked above

Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 12:36 (eight years ago) link

But yeah, I could see how they might work in a Young Gods or Tricky 'Black Steel' way.

Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 12:38 (eight years ago) link

There are just a couple of drops that could use a bit more oomph, and some nice crunchy guitars would do it for me.

A brownish area with points (chap), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 12:39 (eight years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Man I really slept on this record this year. Amazing stuff, it's like Mezzanine-era Massive Attack meets Nine Inch Nails meets MIA meets Benjamin Britten meets a really half-arsed singer.

Actually, the vocals are fine if you think of them as imitation 3D or Karl Hyde or someone. But yeah, kind of stunned that anyone would even try and make an album like this, let alone pull it off.

Matt DC, Thursday, 25 November 2010 11:10 (eight years ago) link

Also I would like to hear Dan Perry's opinion on this.

Matt DC, Thursday, 25 November 2010 11:12 (eight years ago) link

I have a favorable bias towards this album but get quickly bored whenever something comes up on shuffle on the ipod - I guess that might not be the best way to get into it.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 25 November 2010 11:20 (eight years ago) link

Yeah I can imagine it wouldn't sound too great popping up between Tensnake and Nicki Minaj but that's the same with most dark, album-oriented rock music.

Matt DC, Thursday, 25 November 2010 11:25 (eight years ago) link

So are they the reason The Fall left Domino?

Mark G, Thursday, 25 November 2010 11:28 (eight years ago) link

I am massively intrigued by your description and would like to subscribe to your newsletter

lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Thursday, 25 November 2010 20:31 (eight years ago) link

These are the last two singles:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vasNDS9BXJI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suLfDbNHw7c

There's various live stuff on Youtube too, but I don't think that stuff translates as well.

Krampus Interruptus (NickB), Thursday, 25 November 2010 22:10 (eight years ago) link

I've listened to the first 4 tracks on this now and HOLY SHIT

Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Monday, 29 November 2010 19:59 (eight years ago) link

well that took long enough!

i look at the interior of my sack and feel sad (ilxor), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 04:54 (eight years ago) link

I'm really not sure what to make of this on my first listen, really surprised the NME made it album of the year.

Did anyone notice the first thirty seconds of Fire-Power sound very similar to Scritlocks Door by Scritti Politti? especially the vocals.

Kitchen Person, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 15:38 (eight years ago) link

I've tried fairly hard to get into this because I like artists who try and do something different, but I can't really. Not to say it's bad, just probably not for me.

A brownish area with points (chap), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 17:52 (eight years ago) link

idg this album at *all* apart from the big single, as I've said

gospermaban sim gishel (acoleuthic), Thursday, 2 December 2010 00:46 (eight years ago) link

that's because you're crazy

Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:12 (eight years ago) link

Indeed. I don't understand how you can love We Want War and not get the rest. It's all of a piece.

The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:14 (eight years ago) link

It's mostly not that different from the big single so you're probably going on some weird Hongroesque ideological stance about song length or number of sections, right?

Matt DC, Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:14 (eight years ago) link

It's totally song length snobbishness, considering that the most immediately involving song on the album to my ears is "Three Thousand".

Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:17 (eight years ago) link

hmm

maybe listening to the individual songs on Youtube isn't the best way to approach this record

although stuff like 'attack music' and 'hologram' and 'fire-power' doesn't grab me

we want war just has a way cooler build and narrative flow, plus the choral and woodwind chord-progressions in the second half are staggering

gospermaban sim gishel (acoleuthic), Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:19 (eight years ago) link

try maybe listening to the album before announcing that the entire thing is terrible...?

Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:19 (eight years ago) link

it totally ISN'T song-length snobbishness, although there's a possibility that what they're trying to do is best served by a lengthier canvas - all about subtle shifts and increments

Dan the thing is that I have listened to all the songs! Just not in order

gospermaban sim gishel (acoleuthic), Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:20 (eight years ago) link

If there's one thing this album ISN'T about it's subtlety.

Matt DC, Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:21 (eight years ago) link

well, there's something that seems sophisticated and fully worked-out about WWW, especially in the chord-sequences and sonic layering, that lacks in the other songs - maybe I'll come round to them

gospermaban sim gishel (acoleuthic), Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:24 (eight years ago) link

lol

I decided to check out earlier stuff by them and was repelled by the first 10 seconds of "Elvis", after which it suddenly became incredibly compelling

Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:25 (eight years ago) link

I mean, at least The Horrors had the decency to follow up their staggering epic 'wait this isn't that scrawny buncha garagey tryhards' preview single with an album that kinda lived up to it

haha ok I'll stop now

gospermaban sim gishel (acoleuthic), Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:27 (eight years ago) link

no you won't

Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:27 (eight years ago) link

don't get you can you like "we want war" and not "drum courts"

kamerad, Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:29 (eight years ago) link

ok yeah who's 2011's breakout indie-gone-classy band gonna be, dibs on Two Door Cinema Club

gospermaban sim gishel (acoleuthic), Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:29 (eight years ago) link

Yeah tbh every time I've tried to listen to Hex I've ended up being bored shitless, I don't know what it is that refuses to click for me but I find it a massive chore and have never felt the urge to explore further.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 14:16 (six months ago) link

the EPs that BS did are crucial to an overall picture of them tbh - check out the final minute or so of the track i posted, thats the heaviness that they were known for at the time

kolarov spring (NickB), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 14:25 (six months ago) link

I think the lack of drama / tension I mentioned is the absence of a We Want War / V (Island Song). Like there isn't quite a centrepiece which the rest of the album can fulcrum around. Which it may not need in time, but both of those were 'wow' moments that carried the rest of the record through the first few listens for me.

Yeah, BP could do bass, and Graham Sutton absolutely has lineage with breakbeats. Still not really hearing BP here though. TNP are their own thing enough.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 14:28 (six months ago) link

Weirdly, the album I want to link this to the most in terms of mood/impression on me at the moment is the new Apparat.

GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 14:36 (six months ago) link

huh I had no idea that was out already

Simon H., Wednesday, 27 March 2019 14:44 (six months ago) link

Hitting the spot this evening. I do get the Bark Psychosis comparisons (there's a similar metallic dampness to their sound) but I find them more consciously Romantic than BP. I'm getting first Guillemots' album vibes if anything.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 19:36 (six months ago) link

idk if they're more Romantic, Codename:Dustsucker is practically wandering about the Docklands composing stanzas about urban decay and frosty gardens

PPL+AI=NS (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 19:45 (six months ago) link

Perhaps I just mean pastoral?

Also, Codename:Dustsucker certainly covers off the Bark Psychosis + breakbeats angle.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 20:09 (six months ago) link

Matt should listen to C:D, it might be more to his taste than Hex. Certainly is to mine

PPL+AI=NS (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 20:17 (six months ago) link

Also cosign on We Want War and V (Island Song) being the grand realisations of TNP, although I'd maybe add Nothing Else in its own quiet monumental way

PPL+AI=NS (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 20:19 (six months ago) link

huh I had no idea that was out already

Just released this past Friday AFAIK

GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 20:28 (six months ago) link

Tracks two, three and four are all quite tonally similar to the opener, which makes me feel like the album is quite samey; whereas FoR moves around a lot in the opening four tracks. I also think Fragment 2 is incredibly strong - as good as V - and nothing on ITR has a riff as strong as that.

Once you get to The Trees Are On Fire things change up; that track isn’t what I was expecting, and is stronger for it.

It doesn’t meander aimlessly as much as the middle of FoR though, which loses me for long stretches either side of Organ Eternal.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 22:18 (six months ago) link

Six is beautiful, and actually does remind me of late-period Talk Talk.

The first four tracks lack orienting moments for me, so far.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 22:22 (six months ago) link

two weeks pass...

I've been really enjoying this ever since the release. Does anyone know if Jack has had some vocal lessons/training? His vocals sound much better and stronger than on previous albums.

ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Saturday, 13 April 2019 21:48 (six months ago) link

one month passes...

Late to party but I don't hate his singing this time around and there's less clumsy late Talk Talk worship therefore This Is Good.

pomenitul, Saturday, 18 May 2019 16:36 (five months ago) link

two months pass...

I agree that this album feels more like a distillation rather than reinvention and I am perfectly fine with that because the result is gorgeous.

― GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Wednesday, March 27, 2019 6:55 AM (four months ago) bookmarkflaglink

heard this for the first time tonight and immediately thought "wow djp needs to hear this if he hasn't already"

american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 4 August 2019 01:36 (two months ago) link

this album is fucking wonderful btw

american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 4 August 2019 01:38 (two months ago) link

i've been discussing this album with brad - definitely my favourite of their albums so far, and I'm surprised that some people were cool on it upthread. It feels like it has drawn on all their best previous ideas and presented them in the most pleasing form possible.

Tim F, Monday, 5 August 2019 00:47 (two months ago) link

"Beyond Black Suns" sounds like TNP covering Severed Heads

brigadier pudding (DJP), Monday, 5 August 2019 12:51 (two months ago) link

i think it's my favourite they've done but that's mostly due to them moving in sound a little towards things i like more and becoming a little more accessible i guess? not that field of reeds was bad or anything it's just a bit... idk if dense is the right word but it was more of an appreciate at a distance thing rather than being that moving to me while inside the rose is more direct in appeal. i can understand people who loved field of reeds being a little underwhelmed by this one though.

ufo, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 03:17 (two months ago) link

Field of Reeds is if anything a little bit too diffuse in places, in that the bits that aren't incredible just drift away a little. The new one has a lot more shape to it.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 08:32 (two months ago) link

three weeks pass...

at a certain point i could see this being my album of the year. every time i put it on it's an almost overwhelming experience of depth and beauty lol

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 14:17 (one month ago) link

i'm not sure what the end of "beyond black suns" reminds me of but my god

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 14:18 (one month ago) link

depeche mode plays slowdive's pygmalion

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 14:31 (one month ago) link

reminds me of Air 'New Star In The Sky' a little bit

frame casual (dog latin), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 14:42 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

Only just hit me the other week the similarity of Where The Trees Are On Fire's chords to the coda of the Beach Boys 'Surf's Up' (also therefore in turn I suppose 'La Ritournelle')

nashwan, Monday, 23 September 2019 16:18 (one month ago) link


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