Rogueism

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thom jesus west (4:55:14 PM): oh dear. nethack-you just got killed.
thom jesus west (4:55:21 PM): you killed and ate some gnomes first tho.

I'm not saying it isn't I'm just asking cos I'm not sure I have a clear handle on what rogueism is still but I want to learn

What I though Tom was talking about here is the distinction between, say Kingdom Hearts, where you can wander around the beginning level for two or three days and get to lvl 100 before you start out, and Zelda, where if you don't have the next hot item, no amount of running around hitting things is going to get you past the next dungeon, so get to it! Actually Zelda has an out, it has rupees and things you can buy with them, but before I ever saw it I saw Alundra on the PS2 which was totally hardcore like that, and stunned me when I first realised.

Players can always impose rogueishness on a game, through speed runs/initial equipment/etc.

This is humans for you, give them something to do and they'll organize and innovate on it.

zing

Who knows; maybe generation algorithms have improved in 12 years.

Also, has anyone found a better interface for nethack -- isometric or 3d? I'm sick of the awful OS X keybindings....

LucasArts Desktop Adventures roffle

I think you can polymorph into burrowing monsters.

http://drgamelove.blogspot.com/2009/06/permanent-death-episode-1-inasupicious.html

http://www.above49.ca/2009/06/far-cry-2-on-permanent-death-bandwagon.html
http://bigapple3am.com/2009/06/permanent-death---far-cry-2-part-1.html

is pokemonism the opposite of rougeism (i.e. between the possibility of "collecting them all" and the forcing of hard choices which result in vast differences on each playthrough and of which none is clearly "superior"?)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, November 28, 2005 12:25 AM (7 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh the innocent days before permadeath pokemon was 'a thing'

mainly i revive this thread because there wasn't one for ftl

i have spent like 48 hours playing ftl in the past week

i hate myself

The ROGUE-LIKE Thread

but wait - there's permadeath in pokemon now?

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Nuzlocke_Challenge

not, like, hard-coded or anything

i couldn't find this because i searched for "roguism" and i couldn't find the other one because i searched for "roguelike", next time i am just going to revive my doomrl thread that no one else posted on

so FTL is really well balanced except i. you kind of need a teleporter to beat the last boss ii. as soon as you prioritize getting a teleporter you realise it breaks the whole game

and yet now i've realised that instead of having fun i'm trying to get all the achievements and beat it with all of the ships, no discovery any more, efficient runs only, quit on making a mistake, go to the wiki every time i come across a new event, go videogames

i hate myself

― attempt to look intentionally nerdy, awkward or (thomp), Monday, January 7, 2013 12:08 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

let's face it, if you like Rogue-likes, it's kind of a given, dawg (myself included) - it takes a certain amount of stubbornness and self-hatred to enjoy this genre

woo! i beat FTL on normal!!

oh huh neat

regular ship or one of the unlocks? i have been starting lots of normal games and rage-quitting when i forget to turn off the artillery beam and blow up a ship with my boarding crew on it by accident

with the cruiser obv

I think I was only able to unlock like 4 ships.

Still FTL is awesome for having that kinda experience I can run on my work/travel laptop. Saving the universe from an airplane seat!

I wasn't aware of this until a week ago, but ADOM ran a successful Indiegogo campaign and is back in development.

let's face it, if you like Rogue-likes, it's kind of a given, dawg (myself included) - it takes a certain amount of stubbornness and self-hatred to enjoy this genre

Maybe? After playing a roguelike for a couple hours stretch I start to lose the sensation that I'm interacting with orcs and dragons and feel instead that I'm surfing a wave of digital information, like a Tetris game you can actually win

i beat it with the type 2 kestral xxxxp

basic laser x4! interesting

let's face it, if you like Rogue-likes, it's kind of a given, dawg (myself included) - it takes a certain amount of stubbornness and self-hatred to enjoy this genre

Maybe? After playing a roguelike for a couple hours stretch I start to lose the sensation that I'm interacting with orcs and dragons and feel instead that I'm surfing a wave of digital information, like a Tetris game you can actually win

― friday goodness thank it's (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 2:40 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

mm this is the same point i have got to when i say this:

and yet now i've realised that instead of having fun i'm trying to get all the achievements and beat it with all of the ships, no discovery any more, efficient runs only, quit on making a mistake, go to the wiki every time i come across a new event, go videogames

― attempt to look intentionally nerdy, awkward or (thomp), Monday, January 7, 2013 1:43 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there's something about roguelikes that make this transition way more central to the experience than when you play, like, god of war

probably that it's 50% preparation and meticulously-gained knowledge and experience through countless deaths, and 50% deluded gambler-rage against random number generation

basic laser x4 is OP until around sector 5 imo around which you've really got to upgrade to some ion weapons and/or bombs.

ultimately the best way to go about it in my experience is disabled medbays and sending boarding parties. i'm sure there are other successful strategies too but that's worked best for me.

i'm still finding a tough balance between exploring enough to get resources and running out of gas / money

thom jesus west (4:55:21 PM): you killed and ate some gnomes first tho

i stand by that

i have ~oddly vivid~ memories of my nethack-addicted period, normally in remembering videogames i remember what transpires on the screen, nethack i remember that i was listening to the first marnie stern album on a loop basically the entire time and the particular movements of my hands on the keys, or rather how my body felt in space and it felt to be ~interfaced with the machine~

that was then and this is now and thats that