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...although the last time I heard it, 'Jerusalem' was just a bit too much for me to take really.

NickB (NickB), Friday, 16 December 2005 17:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm going to have to write them a letter, since I can't find an email on their site where the catalogue is. I see that Gemm has some copies, but one of the sellers is apparently not to be trusted. Where else can I look for it? (It = "For As Many As Will")

The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 December 2005 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Drop me a mail, and I'll run a copy off for you, if you can't get a proper one (be warned, I'm slow at this)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 16 December 2005 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link

BLESS YOUR HEART! We can discuss over email if there's anything I have to offer you in return! Best random Christmas present EVER.

The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 December 2005 17:55 (eighteen years ago) link

"Caravan, wrong thread perhaps?!?!!?!"


yeah, i take it back anyway. i was trying to think of something that i would have considered too old-fogeyish to listen to in the 80's, but i liked a lot of that canterbury stuff even then. and other pastoral folkish prog like curved air and such.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 16 December 2005 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha, how about the bit on "For As Many As Will" where Dolly sings a few lines? Too much!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 16 December 2005 18:09 (eighteen years ago) link

the massive shirley collins article that johan kugelberg did in ugly things magazine is recommended if you see a back issue. as is his huge meic stevens interview/article.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 16 December 2005 18:17 (eighteen years ago) link

and interview (if you missed it):

http://www.furious.com/perfect/shirleycollins.html

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 16 December 2005 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link

People who dig the softner, prettier Espers tracks might want to check out Mellow Candle's "Swaddling Songs" reissue- great Irish band from 1972.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Friday, 16 December 2005 18:57 (eighteen years ago) link

mellow candle iz hipster ground zero for the new kidz on the block. indie cred & crush being well over a decade long for swaddling songs and even pre-dating the large and in charge malkmus love when he would rave about it to anyone who would listen circa end of pavement start of solo. it's deserved. lovely stuff. thus began the one-album wonder oneupmanship that lives on to this very day. i'm still rooting for maryann friedman. perhacs must step aside.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 16 December 2005 19:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I definitely file that Mellow Candle record as something that I would have been too fogeyish to listen to in the 80s! Same with stuff like Mr Fox. Good call though.

NickB (NickB), Friday, 16 December 2005 19:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I think I might like Trees more than Mellow Candle (On the Shore album anyway).

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 16 December 2005 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link

it just dawned on me that the very same people who were turning me on to shirley collins in the 80's were turning espers on to the very same stuff later on. (philly is small like that.)

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 16 December 2005 19:52 (eighteen years ago) link

[X- post]I really like "Heaven Heath" by Mellow Candle, but, for some reason, have never gotten around to hearing any more.

Yeah, the new Vashti Bunyan album has only two or three memorable cuts. As stated before; it's pretty, but also pretty unsubstantial (Maybe I'll get an e-mail from her, too!).
Still, I ADORE "Just Another Diamond Day" and her work with AC with all my heart.

Nathaniel (Horbgorbling Slubberdegullion), Friday, 16 December 2005 20:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Trees were great! People are pretty quick to call them Fairport clones, but I think they had a pretty unique approach. Great electric and acoustic guitar playing.

Seconding the Mellow Candle respect. Swaddling Songs is a gem.

Anyone here familiar with Fionn McCool (sp?) I read about them in a newsletter over the past year, and I can't remember where. Maybe Other Music? They were a 70s band who were compared to Mellow Candle.

I love this stuff!!!

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Friday, 16 December 2005 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00008O33T/qid=1134772263/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/103-9110605-2015805?v=glance&s=music

introduction to British Folk Music of the 1960s, a fine two CD set.
Donovan, Bert Jansch, The Incredible String Band, Pentangle, et cetera

Wilhelm, Friday, 16 December 2005 22:33 (eighteen years ago) link


My favorite example of Bert Jansch's sound is Jack Orion -- it's got his usual rootsy celtic-blues sound applied to trad songs, which are better than most of Jansch's originals. Sui generis until Liege and Lief

The Oysterband are also not bad, Freedom and Rain with June Tabor is quite likable.

theo, Friday, 16 December 2005 23:06 (eighteen years ago) link

no sufjan, no credibility.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 16 December 2005 23:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Some interesting folk artists from that era:

NICK DRAKE
BRIDGET ST. JOHN
MIDWINTER
STONE ANGEL
TIR NA NOG
JAKE HOLMES
ERIC ANDERSEN
KAREN DALTON
LINDA PERHACS
JUDEE SILL (reissue this year)
AGINCOURT
FLESH MAGGOTS
ANNO DOMINI
MAGNA CARTA
COMUS
SPIROGYRA
BARRY DRANSFIELD
DAVID ACKLES
BILL FAY
DAVID BLUE
TOM RAPP & PEARLS BEFORE SWINE
STEVE TILSTON
NICK GARRIE
GARY HIGGINS (reissue this year)
AMAZING BLONDEL
SPRIGUNS OF TOLGUS
GRYPHON
NUMBER NINE BREAD STREET
RICHARD & MIMI FARIÑA
TIM BUCKLEY
ARLO GUTHRIE
TOWNES VAN ZANDT
PHIL OCHS
JONI MITCHELL
JOHN RENBOURN
KATE & ANNA MCGARRIGLE
THE YOUNGBLOODS
FLYING BURRITO BROTHERS
MARTIN CARTHY
TOM PAXTON
FRED NEIL
CAT STEVENS

antonio, Friday, 16 December 2005 23:23 (eighteen years ago) link

flying burrito bros=british folk? wtf!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 16 December 2005 23:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Umm...

DEVENDRA BANHART DAY -- BANDS CONFIRMED SO FAR
DEVENDRA BANHART
VASHTI BUNYAN
VETIVER
ESPERS
BAT FOR LASHES
JANA HUNTER
THE METALLIC FALCONS
DANIELLE STECH-HOMSY
BERT JANSCH

There are worse reasons to go to Camber.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Sunday, 18 December 2005 13:18 (eighteen years ago) link

oh wow. is that ATP?? maybe time to think about a little vacation...

peter x (bucksbreeze), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Aye, the Sunday of weekend one. It's looking rapidly like choosing that weekend was the right decision.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Sunday, 18 December 2005 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Talking of forthcoming shows, there are tickets currently on sale for a show in February at the Barbican, featuring Vashti Bunyan, Bert Jansch and King Creosote, among others.

Tim (Tim), Monday, 19 December 2005 10:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Top of the Pops, yesterday...

"FOLK IS BACK!" mrs anne ouncer, on the number one this week.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 19 December 2005 10:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Seconding the Mellow Candle respect. Swaddling Songs is a gem.

thirded! i know i've big-upped them here before.

bob abernethy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 19 December 2005 12:51 (eighteen years ago) link

The Kissing Spell label is the place to go if you want really obscure and often wonderful 70s (acid) folk in the Mellow Candle/Trees vein. Try Shide and Acorn who have a spookily forlorn Young Marble Giants vibe.

ortho_bob (ortho_bob), Monday, 19 December 2005 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Guess who received the Within Sound box set for Christmas! I'm so excited!! I also got two ISB albums. Yaay. I still find myself wanting For As Many As Will, though...I'm still working on finding a copy.

The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 14:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I see June Tabor's been mentioned in places on this thread, but not her "Silly Sisters" albums with Maddy Prior, which are very much worth tracking down, especially the first one. And also it's true that Steeleye Span's first 3 albums are arguably their best, but lots of their stuff is good. I even like some of the later boogie-folk stuff, All Around My Hat and so forth.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I know it was a long way up this thread but re:Jim Moray - for a while he seemed like the folkie most likely to go Syd Barrett/Nick Drake and give up playing/become a recluse - hes certainly the most interestingly troubled of the 'establishment' folk artists, and is known for publicly slating his first album for exactly the reasons stated above ("too MOR"). Supposedly he's been recording and then scrapping whole albums of material for a few years, and now his website has not been updated in a while still promising a new album with no confirmed release date. Theres also a very bizarre set of publicity pictures floating about the web where hes made up like Aladdin Sane-era Bowie. I suspect whatever new material eventually surfaces will be significantly different from whats come before.

Beyond the Carthy/Swarbrick and Nic Jones level of recognition, there are people like Pete Coe and Chris Foster (who are both still playing) that have made some excellent albums over the years. Also, I am surprised that Swan Arcade are not mentioned more often - I strongly urge anyone to check them out. I think you can get a couple of compilations of their albums that are now unavailable.

patric, Friday, 30 December 2005 21:35 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost, Yeah, Silly Sisters is fantastic!

TRG (TRG), Friday, 30 December 2005 22:05 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Heads up on another gig if you didn't know already:

from http://www.daveygraham.moonfruit.com/
WHITECHAPEL ART GALLERY
80 - 82 WHITECHAPEL HIGH STREET
LONDON E1 7QX
Tel: 020 7522 7888
WWW.WHITECHAPEL.ORG
Friday 3 Feb, 7pm
DAVEY GRAHAM
Virtuoso guitarist Davey Graham plays a rare and intimate acoustic show at the Whitechapel Gallery. One of the key figures in the British folk-blues movement of the 1960s and one of the earliest exponents of world music, Graham has inspired a host of artists from Richard Thompson, Ry Cooder, Nick Drake, Jimmy Page, Bert Jansch, to Graham Coxon
and a ream of younger musicians.
Limited tickets advanced booking only:
£10/8 concs*
Book now : 020 7522 7888
CONTACT: BEATRICE DILLON
07940 464676 beadillon@yahoo.com

NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 11:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the way they slip Graham Coxon into that blurb. Oh whoop-de-doodle-do.

NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 11:49 (eighteen years ago) link

i would take it as very damning faint praise to be said to have influenced graham coxon's rubbish solo records

jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 11:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Graham's site is interesting:

http://www.daveygraham.moonfruit.com/

It looks like he's another cult/off the critical map type UK artist who got fucked over by his record company (see also: bill nelson) w/no hope of recompense, & who is not "big" enough to get enough publicity to rectify this?

I'll stick an order in for his new self-produced CD, I think.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 11:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Jesus, I've just read the 'Decca' page of that website. Fuckers. Rather bitter irony that the Universal legal bod who responded has 'www.makepovertyhistory.org' as their sign off.

NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 12:13 (eighteen years ago) link

what total cunts

jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 12:16 (eighteen years ago) link

The bit that got me was him getting a one-off payment of a fiver for "Folk Roots/New Routes". That fucking stinks.

I ordered a copy of the forthcoming CD, anyway, looking forward to hearing it.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 12:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I think that's a grand thing to do.

NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 12:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Apologies if you think I'm spamming, but I am a regular poster and you might be interested.
Anyway, my zine Beard has a rare interview with Shirley. She talks about Alan Lomax, her sister Dolly, and why Pete Seeger and Joan Baez rubbish (although she disses them in the politest possible way). We also talk to Robert Wyatt! And Devendra! And visit the Green Man Festival. Folktastic!
It's 2.50 inc p&p. Email me on beardmag@yahoo.co.uk if you're interested.

And Folk

stew!, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 12:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Nice one Stew. I recognise your name anyway, you quite often pop up on these threads. Might well mail you later.

NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 12:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Cheers Nick!

I started to say Folk Routes/New Routes is stunning. I love the way DG adds a bluesy twang to the likes of Nottamun Town. Wonderful.

Espers I find pretty but they don't really have the songs. Maybe I need to give them more time, but live, they only got going in the last song.
Lucky Luke are great and as lovely as the record is they sound quite different live. More stripped down, with a more rockin' rhythm section. It really suits them, and Lucy's voice is getting stronger all the time.

stew!, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 12:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Davy Graham, of course, wrote the seminal guitar tune "Angi"/"Angie"/"Anji".

sean gramophone (Sean M), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 12:40 (eighteen years ago) link

i bought a double album reissue from the 70's recently that had both of john renbourn's first two albums from 65 on them and i had no idea how bluesy/dylan-y they were! i liked them a bunch. that is all. carry on.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 12:55 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Most of this so-called 'nu-folk' weird folk, et al, the people making it don't really seem to have a clue about the true traditions of the British Isles, their depth and significance. The starting point of this crowd is 'hip' records from the sixties and seventies (some very good like Shirley Collins, some utter drivel like Trees) - mostly they fail to look back further to real traditional singers, people like for example Fred Jordan, The Coppers and Walter Pardon (England); Phil Tanner (Wales); Jeannie Robertson, Duncan Williamson, the Stewarts (Scotland); Margaret Barry, Packie Byrne, Mary Delaney (Ireland), and on and on and on...

Espers... oh dear. What is the point in this day and age of somebody doing the same old version of 'Rosemary Lane' ripped off from Anne Briggs or Bert Jansch? And doing it completely insipidly and unoriginally, moreover?

There's something a lot weirder about hearing the great above-mentioned Duncan Williamson sing an ancient traditional ballad such as, for example, 'The Lady and the Blacksmith' (Child #44) than there is about the output of some wispy-bearded bedroom boy with a copy of 'Pink Moon', a sampler an acoustic guitar.

Then again, most of what passes for contemporary 'traditional' British music such as Kate Rusby, Jim Moray and the dread Cara Dillon, et al, is IMO just as unpalatable. Your best best is to go back to the field recordings, the proper singers.

is, Tuesday, 28 February 2006 11:21 (eighteen years ago) link

they sold out the day they started using electricity

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 11:29 (eighteen years ago) link

They should have stuck to candles and peat fires

Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 11:31 (eighteen years ago) link

No - "they" should just know what they're singing about. "They" should look to the real stuff instead of having this empty notion of 'weirdness', which is based on some naive, romanticised, sentimental conception of the rural, not grounded in anything of genuine psychological/metaphysical/social importance, from which genuine magic/otherness/bizarreness/uncanniness/Unheimlichkeit stems.

I love electricity too.

is, Tuesday, 28 February 2006 11:43 (eighteen years ago) link

"They" should look to the real stuff instead of having this empty notion of 'weirdness', which is based on some naive, romanticised, sentimental conception of the rural

But don't you think that some great art can come out of romanticism?

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 12:00 (eighteen years ago) link

And don't you think that's how a lot of people you probably respect got involved in folk music in the first place too?

Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 12:02 (eighteen years ago) link


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