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i find the occasional "u gotta be in the right mood" apologism a bit suspect

Agreed, but no more suspect than "it sounds great on a spring night driving on the highway with the windows rolled down." What *doesn't* sound great then?

And music that's "right for every occasion or mood" probably sounds like eggshell wallpaper.

Evanston Wade (EWW), Thursday, 6 May 2004 15:28 (twenty years ago) link

epilogue: haha i did go see em that nite, but everyone stood me up so i ws alone and sad and thus the gig was like woooooooo! ironing huh. but er objectively they were terrific, and they can do it acoustic too. they oughta lose the scary rabbit head prop if they don't totally want to be the donnie darko soundtrack band tho

prima fassy (mwah), Saturday, 8 May 2004 08:06 (twenty years ago) link

new video:

http://www.fat-cat.co.uk/amcollective_small.mov (8megs)
http://www.fat-cat.co.uk/amcollective_large.mov (20megs)

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 14 May 2004 17:15 (twenty years ago) link

be sure to watch during your lunch break

dleone (dleone), Friday, 14 May 2004 17:22 (twenty years ago) link

that's not the innocuous suggestion it appears to be, it's a trap!

duke barf, Friday, 14 May 2004 18:08 (twenty years ago) link

Eat y'self fitter!

sexyDancer, Friday, 14 May 2004 18:15 (twenty years ago) link

i kept waiting for it to get weird, and then it did.

mark p (Mark P), Friday, 14 May 2004 18:20 (twenty years ago) link

Eat y'self fitter?

mcd (mcd), Friday, 14 May 2004 18:21 (twenty years ago) link

sell sell sell

myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Friday, 14 May 2004 18:47 (twenty years ago) link

You're too smart for here:
http://www.cherryred.co.uk/crzone/newletters/may03/fall.jpg

sexyDancer, Friday, 14 May 2004 18:49 (twenty years ago) link

Wot's a computer?

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 14 May 2004 18:55 (twenty years ago) link

Eat each other?

mcd (mcd), Friday, 14 May 2004 19:11 (twenty years ago) link

I said-ah G-O-H-O-H-O-9-O-G-O-H-O-H-O-9-O-G-O-H-O-H-O-9-O-H-O-9-O-G-O-H-O

SexyDancer, Friday, 14 May 2004 19:25 (twenty years ago) link

there's another, live video hidden on the fat cat web page, show's 'em playing "winter's love" with a segway into the "she's gonna have a baby" chant. it's about six or seven minutes i reckon.

www.fat-cat.co.uk/animal_web.mov

it's nice!

naturemorte, Saturday, 15 May 2004 04:14 (twenty years ago) link

three months pass...
So I've been listening to AC lately and I like them and everything, it's nice, but I'm also thinking that this is kinda Phish for people who hate Phish. Something about the combination of cuteness and twiddlyness (granted, they're production/sound geeks instead of virtuoso jam geeks, but that's what I mean about being for people who hate Phish). And even though people who hate Phish might like Animal Collective, I bet people who love Phish would like them too.

spittle (spittle), Thursday, 26 August 2004 05:39 (nineteen years ago) link

and/or they're Sigur Ros if Sigur Ros was from Brooklyn or wherever Animal Collective is from...

...or they're the Polyphonic Spree for noize dudes...

...or the Moldy Peaches for Laurie Anderson fans...

spittle (spittle), Thursday, 26 August 2004 05:45 (nineteen years ago) link

spittle, rolling stone said the exact same thing about ac and phish in their review of sung tongs.

tom cleveland (tom cleveland), Thursday, 26 August 2004 11:09 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm having some conceptual trouble reconciling their jam bandiness with my hatred of all things jam bandy. as you suggested, the sound/production angle let's me pretend that it's the processed semi-formless noise that i'm responding to and not the noodly bongo strum bits but i'm not sure i believe myself. that said, i can only really get behind a relatively tiny portion of their output

m. (mitchlnw), Thursday, 26 August 2004 11:58 (nineteen years ago) link

i see them as what would happen if the Beach Boys had taken loads of acid in the monkey house at the zoo. i don't like to think of them as a jam band in any way whatsoever.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 26 August 2004 12:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I got more of a Phish vibe from the last Black Dice album. The spacier (non-Hawaiian-sounding) guitar parts really remind me of Phish's more ambient stuff.

Holla back Trey, Thursday, 26 August 2004 14:15 (nineteen years ago) link

b-b-b-but they don't jam!

Bbeta, Thursday, 26 August 2004 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, the phish comparison upthread leads me to believe that person has has heard neither phish nor animal collective.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 26 August 2004 16:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm confused, too, especially if that's being leveled w/r/t Sung Tongs: the parts of the album I like best I like best almost entirely because they're so coherently-crafted -- despite, you know, sounding like they wouldn't be. (It's the distance between "meow, kitties" as a Kogan-style "free lunch" throw-in and "meow, kitties" as a composition!)

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 26 August 2004 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link

the panda bear album leaked on slsk the other day... it sounds like what i imagined
animal collective would sound like by the way people describe them -- whereas animal
collective themselves seem to remain more or less indescribable (in alternately good and
bad ways).
i'm going to go see them at the echo in LA this weekend... anybody seen this tour yet?
playing with black dice... last time i saw black dice they sounded like lightning bolt
which i wasn't in to... what should i expect from both camps?

sung tongs is describable i guess.

firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 26 August 2004 16:47 (nineteen years ago) link

they are selling the panda bear cd/album (well this is his 2nd record) on this tour for $10.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 26 August 2004 16:49 (nineteen years ago) link

hm. then am i thinking of an avey tare solo record? someone's father died and an
album was recorded memorially... that's what i knew... i had trouble placing this panda
bear record... which was s/t, as that album, by the sound of it.

firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 26 August 2004 16:53 (nineteen years ago) link

yes the one you describe is the one they are selling.

panda bear's first album is long OOP (the first Animal Collective related release? 1999?) and very hard to track down material copies of.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 26 August 2004 16:58 (nineteen years ago) link

There are 2 Panda Bear records. An old one that I hear he's kinda disowned, pretty good indie/krauty/home recorded electronic pop stuff, and the new one Young Prayer which is out in september but promos are out now and they're selling them at shows I guess. I haven't listened to it yet.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 26 August 2004 16:59 (nineteen years ago) link

their music's more powerful than your pollution.

(nb: this is a more general point, I don't like nu-AC.)

cºzen (Cozen), Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:01 (nineteen years ago) link

"moldy peaches for laurie anderson fans" sounds perversely great.

peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link

my dad finds it deeply distressing that with my record collection i still have no space
in my heart for laurie anderson... though i did use the 'sorry.... i'm not home right now....'
bit for my answering machine for a while. i think that that was the sole reason my dad
re-extended his offer to pay for school for me (after i fucked up. a lot.).

firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:27 (nineteen years ago) link

did see the Bowery show on the tour. for once, AC is not playing ahead of their records (in that they retire the songs after their proper release). BD was malevolent in their loudness. after seeing them twice with tripping visuals (Forcefield for one, Ken Jacobs for another), i really feel they lack without it now.
you should pick up "Wastered" though. nice stuff.

BbetaA, Thursday, 26 August 2004 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link

black dice would have been better with visuals last night. I did like them though. animal collective I did not (much); everything I did like about them I get out of listening to trout mask replica or something at home.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 26 August 2004 18:36 (nineteen years ago) link

"...almost entirely because they're so coherently-crafted..."

this is true (about most everything they've done) but what i'm beginning to realize is that not everyone can discern this. obv some effort is required i suppose, but some people are in the swing of looking for at least new-seeming twists in music, having unearthed a lot already, so it's not "effort" exactly. it's a seeking out of surprise on one hand, but also an ability to recognize when an actual surprise has reared up.
others who aren't so inclined generally just refute this whole premise outright, see it as off-putting pathology etc. but usually they have little else but cute scoffing exercises to run through and tend to like to leave it at that. gold-medal cutesy types you know them. i want to feel transported, not inducted into an unserious pavilion of snark, personally.

duke abscond, Friday, 27 August 2004 00:41 (nineteen years ago) link

b-b-b-but they don't jam!

Right, well, hence the "for people who hate Phish" qualifier. Their noodliness is of a more intellectual sort. They're conceptually noodly.

spittle (spittle), Friday, 27 August 2004 01:39 (nineteen years ago) link

See, I'm not sure how anyone could listen to e.g. "Leaf House" (which, as always, is the track I'm thinking of) and not hear it as pretty much as structurally coherent as the average pop song: its parts all lock together in a seriously "composed" way, and the way that they move from one to the other is probably even more deliberately crafted than the average chart track. Which is a feeling that, for me, seems to follow through most of that record, apart from a couple specific "mood" tracks that were likely more loosely constructed. I've actually spent time wondering how their writing process for this record might have worked -- the sound would seem to imply that it was sort of pieced up from nothing, with no particular outcome in mind, parts added where they fit and etc. -- but there's just too much stuff in there that belies that particular framework.

nabisothingy, Friday, 27 August 2004 01:51 (nineteen years ago) link

black dice would have been better with visuals last night.

you should think twice before you say something like this. last night's show had a mostly lit loft with a few colored lights and a chandelier above the bands. the fucking dumbshit dj thought he'd be cute (i think he actually thought he was doing a good job) by flicking the lights on and off. it wasn't ever even in rhythm or during exciting moments.

JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Some songs have "parts", others don't (or their parts are less obvious). "Leaf House" (and "Who Could Win A Rabbit") are "songs" in the only sense anyone really cares about: they have clear melodies, are structured in a logical way (w/A sections and B sections and so forth) and are sung. There is nothing "jam band" about them. Nor is there anything very "jam band" about, say, the last three songs on the record, because I don't consider meandering strumming with equally meandering vocals to be "jamming". I consider it meandering - and I hardly mean that in a negative sense. Jam bands stretch ideas out, use variations, come together to a climax. There seems to be much more sitting and staring during the looser moments of Sung Tongs; contemplating, worshipping, leaving out the direction that's always implied in a jam.

dleone (dleone), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Was anyone at either of the L.A. shows this weekend? I caught the Knitting Factory show, which was very nice. Black Dice could have played longer. They were all out of Wastered 12"s, sadly. I thought it was mildly underattended. Lots of people left after A.C. finished.

Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog (Ben Boyer), Monday, 30 August 2004 15:17 (nineteen years ago) link

hi people, what is the name of the song with the lyric:

"self doubt, i'll doubt i'll find a swimming pool"... or something similar?

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 30 August 2004 15:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Ben, I was at both shows. The Echo was packed. It seemed like there might've been more people there, than at the Knitting Factory, but it could've been the same amount just in two differently sized venues.

They had copies of Wastered at the Echo and then sold out. 50% of the audience left after AC played, at the Echo, as well.

Also, if you thought that the show was underattended, you should've been at the Acid Mothers Temple. There were at most 25 people there.

dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 30 August 2004 15:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw the Bowery show and I do think Animal Collective could appeal to people into the jam band scene. No, that doesn't mean I think they're a jam band, but there were certain qualities in the performance that jam fans would appreciate.

And why are people leaving before Black Dice play? I thought they were better than AC that night.

Jeff Sumner (Jeff Sumner), Monday, 30 August 2004 15:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, at the Echo they had equipment troubles.

But even more than that, I don't feel like seeing them live adds anything to the music. You've got one guy looking nervous and afraid, another playing guitar but hidden by his effects case and a third guy sort of dancing in place and twiddling knobs. Basically, the only interaction is when Bjorn cocks his head to the side and mouths something to the other guys.

dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 30 August 2004 16:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Animal Collective definitely goes for - and achieves - more of a connection with the audience. They played a clear cut set, with nice regular guy banter in between songs (the singer kept seeming genuinely shocked by all the applause in between songs, saying "jeez, thanks - it's sweet to play here!"). Black Dice are more intense -- no breaks during the set, bursts of noise, no acknowledgement of the crowd. It's just a different thing altogether.
Did you get a Wastered 12", Dean? I am dying to hear that thing! Was Acid Mother's Temple at the Echo too?

Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog (Ben Boyer), Monday, 30 August 2004 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I picked up a couple up on Saturday. In fact, the merch guy seemingly gave me a bit of attitude when I asked to buy two copies.

AMT was at Spaceland one night and KF the next. The KF show was awesome because no one was there, but the a/c was out and it was HOT AS FUCK. They were selling $1 Rolling Rocks to make up for it.

dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 30 August 2004 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I do not go see Black Dice live in order to witness a performance or music theater. For me, I do not care if they acknowledge their audience and if I was living in '73 then I would not fault Tangerine Dream for not interacting with the crowd, too.

I go see BD because their music in the live setting is so much more visceral, huge and physical than when I play their records in my home. I find recorded-BD and live-BD as two related but vastly difference perspectives of the same band like two wildly different photographs of the same person.

Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Monday, 30 August 2004 16:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Good for you. But Pitchfork doesn't tell LA hipsters to expect that, so they don't stick around ;D

dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 30 August 2004 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Are you calling yourself an "L.A. hipster" because you were the one who I thought expressed dissappointment in BD's lack of interaction with the crowd? I'm confused...

Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Monday, 30 August 2004 16:43 (nineteen years ago) link

No, I said that I don't feel like seeing them live adds anything to the music. I enjoyed it in spite of that. I'm also saying that the lack of audience participation is probably why so many people left. Also, the Echo show was delayed, so that may have had something to do with it as well.

dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 30 August 2004 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link

After seeing them 2x on this tour, I began to wonder just how much of Black Dice's set is canned?

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 30 August 2004 16:52 (nineteen years ago) link


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