I HATE CLUBBING

Enrique - maybe the 'suburbs' will end up connoting working class when there is *no more* affordable housing in central London. There's something heartwarming that the areas my parents grew up in are now considered desirable; less heart-warming that they almost definitely couldn't afford to live in them anymore (but so is life).

i think this is the implication i'm referring to. that being poncey is seen as a bad thing? why is it?

this reminds me of being back in yorkshire

Bollocks -- anyway, how do you make out that inner-city residents are better-behaved than the B&T lot? I don't see it.

My last post was a bit confused, but basically I was refuting the idea that by calling out the idea of the B&T as snobbish I was not being inversely-snobbish towards all you excitingly-coiffed Zone 1 and 2ers.

Is using the term "Tory" to describe Conservatives offensive to the Irish because it originated in Ireland?

"Bridge and Tunnel" was once an origin, it is now a behaviour.

(The funny thing is, in my experience, actual born and bred city dwellers do tend to be a lot more respectful of each other on a certain level because they understand that's what it's necessary to do to live packed in so closely. But this is my personal experience, not a generalisation.)

I understand what Gareth is trying to say, maybe because it's the same people always making the same arguments, and dragging class in during every single argument.

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Kate, I kinda see what you mean, but 'B&T' suggests disapproval of the object it relates to on snobbish grounds: like 'prole', in certain contexts I don't like it.

I would like to see some more photoshoppery, though.

Can you fix it for me to be photoshopped into a picture waving my thumbs at Gareth and Kate for blowing up the Luton Arndale centre?

Chzthxbye!

I mean, goddamit. Is the sensation of snobbery really so irresistible to you? Are you not aware that your tedious posts on classism, etc, read like someone vomiting after having a copy of the Daily Mail shoved down their throats? Are you really so addicted to empty, blustering rhetoric??
-- stevie (looselippedstevi...), June 11th, 2004. (stevie) (later)

Hunt him down and tar him and feather him like the scurvy peasant he is, I'll have his head hanging on a pole above my moat as a lesson to the rest of ye!

Trucker Hats C/D?

How ironic is your hair? Very/Kinda/Not at all

What is the most unacceptable thing to come out of your anus? Horrible poo/Pins/28ft Yacht

The enneagram can then slot people into different Ilxor categories including Arndale Arsonist, Bridge & Tunneler, Asshat etc.

Ironic haircuts deserve a "search and destroy" thread. It's no fun just mentioning them like this, they need to be attacked with extreme prejudice.

OTM -- I usually end up seeming anti-hipsterish and midtown, but not because of any active hatred but because teh hipsterz quite often bring out their own anti-B&T material first -- and I react against that. You can't map class on to *this* discussion since the B&T are just as middle-class as the ironic-haircuts brigade. Shit, they may even *have* ironic hair. Both breeds are slightly chimerical, as I think we all realize.

Any bloke who hasn't done this and enjoyed it at least once is either lying, or a goth.

OTFM!!!! Very much so. I tried to get 'edgy' dance website burnitblue to let me write about this when I reviewed for em back in the day, but no dice. Now they've gone right down the shitter. QED.

MattDC -- I've only gone proper clubbing about three times. All the rest played 'Come On Eileen' -- and I've never met Tom Ewing.

This did happen. Except they asked me if it was "up North". I'm serious. This was in Highgate.

I had no idea! I mean, I figured it was a home county but I think it overlapped in my brain with hereford somehow, I wasn't really sure.