Let's talk about Vice Magazine

i mean, is it primarily because you would fear for your safety or because you would fear offending somebody?

Do you use it, though?

I mean like that's like if I say "I'm gonna kill you" and you say "man, stop threatening me" and I'm all like "no way, if I meant it I would have said 'going to' instead of 'gonna' because the two are completely different"

haha graham to thread!

gah sterling got in while i was posting, one moment dude!!

is it because there's still work to do? i mean, do we need oprah to start referring to martha stewart as "my nigga" before this wonderful utopian cleansing can begin? and if she did, and the word became as ordinary and as torpid as "lampshade", would that be a good thing?

U+K! U+K! U+K! U+K!

heh. i totally don't get it.

what "good" qualities might n-a with an "a" signify, simon?

sterl you know what nigga with an a means, you listen to rap, do you really not 'get' it every time its mentioned? its my crew, i love my niggas, thats all there is, sometimes ill talk about some nigga im impressed by, 'that nigga beat me at street fighter twelve times!!', its a term of love and respect, and ill bet anything vice dudes were saying nigga, theres a pretty long history of totally square news herbs not knowing theres such a word and transcribing it as nigger instead

GM: "Well, at least they’re not fucking niggers or Puerto Ricans. At least they’re white."

(Yeah, real affectionate.)

but it was a really good quote!!

come back, simon!!

I use it too, out of habit. I guess it's offensive, but this country doesn't really have a long and rich tradition of Retard Persecution, so it's not quite as bad as any of the other loaded words.

It's not like you ever pick up on when I'm being sarcastic, but whatev.

or is it that it's more easily co-opted because they're not able to defend themselves?

That's true too -- although there are varying degrees of retardation. Some "retards" are normal, functional people; some of them have fairly decent cognitive skills and might very well understand what "retard" means. But there isn't much they can do to stop the epithet from being used.

jbr, if we accept that this word is commonly used b/c the ramifications are far less severe than if we were to use, for example, the n word with similar abandon, i think we could probably draw some ugly conclusions about society in general...

Apparantly they should get their arty friends to publish articles in a magazine that make reference to their retard friends.

Vice makes me laugh, which is more than most things do these days.

I 'love' a white guy living in Japan telling black guys in New York that they're wrong to object to these white guys using the word 'nigger' and trying to act like the black men are being patronising! Hilarious irony!

My best gay friend likes and uses the word faggot, but the wrong person uses it the wrong way, in the wrong tone, he's liable to break them in half.

(actually I just posted that because I wonder where I fall)

[also I tried to call you a "f-g" as a joke right here and I couldn't do it, not evern doubly or triply ironically or whatever the hell it would be at this point].

sterl, if you have to ask you'll never know, etc etc.

so wouldn't that sort of cycle be eventually repeated if the arguments momus espouses hold true -- and wouldn't the underlying message of these mass-marketed uses of these words, then, also mutate into an affirmation of already-existing prejuidices that are held by the majority of americans, for the simple purpose of making as many dollars as possible?