Peter Bagge - Classic Or Dud

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he could call it "i: hate comics"

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 16:39 (fifteen years ago) link

he did a great, huge zine in 1993 called "I Love Comics!"!

kit brash (kit brash), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 00:50 (fifteen years ago) link

also edited Weirdo!

bulbs (bulbs), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 02:34 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...
I just re-read the Jersey issues of Hate and they might be my favorite comic ever right at the moment. I really wish the Annuals were more Buddy & Co. and less Bat Boy or whatever. Or more Bunny and Chet or more of the girl with red hair whose name I can't recall. Apocalypse Nerd is totally great too, but I think the short pieces on historical figures are even better.

Anyway completely classic.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 21 July 2006 19:45 (fourteen years ago) link

When he was classic he was classic, and he had a good long run. This year's Hate annual was pretty awful, though, even the Buddy stuff.

M. V. (M.V.), Friday, 21 July 2006 19:52 (fourteen years ago) link

Haha I thought the "return" of Stinky was hysterical. I have a certain fondness for Jake "The Snake" and Jimmy Foley though.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 21 July 2006 20:05 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm buying this
http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/images/products/out/large/DMC10227.jpg
for my kid. Not for me. For my kid.

M. V. (M.V.), Friday, 21 July 2006 22:40 (fourteen years ago) link

I own "Buddy Does Seattle" (great, despite Everett True's hectoring foreword) and "Studs Kirby" (good, though more dated.) "Buddy Does Seattle" advertises itself as "Vol.1 (1990-1994)", anyone know if the anthologizing has gone further yet?

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 22 July 2006 16:32 (fourteen years ago) link

He's my friend on MySpace. CLASSIC.

Geoffrey Litwack (litwack), Saturday, 22 July 2006 17:10 (fourteen years ago) link

All thirty issues of Hate were originally collected in six volumes before they put out the smaller format Buddy Does Seattle, which contains the first fifteen. I guess they'll make a 'Vol. 2' at some point but until then the earlier collections are still available.

robert in SLC (robert in SLC), Sunday, 23 July 2006 00:11 (fourteen years ago) link

The Buddy Does Jersey collection is going to be in black and white sadly. In the meantime, Daniel should definitely get the Bradleys collection, with the 1980s adventures of Buddy, Butch, Babs, Tom, Stinky, Jay & alias.

kit brash (kit brash), Sunday, 23 July 2006 00:25 (fourteen years ago) link

thirteen years pass...

man the original Hate run is still so funny. A little shocking how un-PC it is, which registered with me at the time (Buddy's casual n-bombs + homophobic slurs etc), but also interesting in that Bagge seems to have been very aware of what he was doing - other characters push back against Buddy on these things, and more often than not it's clear he's being an asshole. Also charming to see how hard he went in on promoting other cartoonists and zines, truly admirable. the gross-out sex shit ppl would send him in the letters column erm less so.

Also recently got Everybody's Stupid Except for Me Out of the Library and while I rarely agreed with him, this previous ilxor post:

I find his narratorial voice almost always likeable and his viewpoints well reasoned and funny, even when I don't agree with them

is very otm

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 March 2020 23:28 (six months ago) link

i reread all of it recently and yeah it's still great. one thing i'd forgotten was just how elaborate with dense cross-hatching the art was in the early issues.

visiting, Friday, 6 March 2020 01:47 (six months ago) link

Yeah its crazy detailed

Οὖτις, Friday, 6 March 2020 01:49 (six months ago) link

amazed to notice that an early issue of HATE includes a Patrick McDonnell (of MUTTS fame) drawing of Buddy Bradley in the "news"/letters page

The difference between the Seattle and New Jersey runs is very striking - the art becomes much more simplified and standardized, and the writing follows a much more plot-driven sorta structure. Characters no longer digress on various subjects, everything is very much about getting the story from point A to point B, and naturally the focus shifts from shenanigans of 20-something slackers to the family dynamics stuff. Still funny but it seems part of a tidal shift in the way he worked.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 16:20 (six months ago) link

i like the NJ phase just as much, and I actually think bringing blanchard on to ink was a boon. I wasn't into the crosshatching proliferation period of his self-inking

really wanna reread the whole thing soon

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 17:35 (six months ago) link

Lisa's evolution is probably the best thing about the whole run tbh

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 17:39 (six months ago) link

always feel like bagge missed his chance at simpsons-esque success with 'the bradleys' -- his hate animated test was really awful, though.

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 17:43 (six months ago) link

there's no way that would've worked on TV at the time - you need all the swearing and grotesque/obscene behavior

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 17:47 (six months ago) link

floppy spaghetti arms could be proxy for cursing.

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 18:11 (six months ago) link

the ads in the Jersey issues are a real flashback. I mean, this lamentably named band (who I don't remember at all/have never heard of) placed ads in four consecutive issues:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Icxtar-yWI0

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:58 (six months ago) link

which numbers? if it was early on, they might have been offered a great deal when Fanta had no faith in being able to sell ads at all (having adverts was Bagge's idea, that he had to really push for)

or they could have just been big fans obv

Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 19:05 (six months ago) link

20, 21, and 22. the ads are truly embarrassing though ("13 pop punk songs to help you get over her").

tbf there's also an acquaintance band's ad in one of those (papas fritas) so it wasn't all no-name pop-punk garbage.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 19:13 (six months ago) link

I wldn't say that P Bagge's musical choices/opinions are 100% unimpeachable (speaking as someone who owns this):

https://img.discogs.com/johLMmw3qCnRbFjmOOZ-pjI_4Jg=/fit-in/600x547/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-2842859-1419337037-1769.jpeg.jpg

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 20:30 (six months ago) link

I doubt he personally gaf about Her Fault, doesnt seem like his kind of thing and there was no personal connection afaict

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 20:32 (six months ago) link


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