Oh, and also: H in Addis Ababa should really be commenting on this thread -- he's spent infinitely more time there than I have, and his job, if I remember correctly, is with a sound/music production team. Your estimation of my rightness in the above rambling would probably plummet dramatically if he went through and corrected the factual inaccuracies or misrepresentations that I'm quite sure are in there.
― nabisco%%, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Central example of traditionalism: here is an Eritrean guy holding a kraar. The kraar in various forms appears in most greater-Ethiopian traditions (as this guy's being Eritrean sort of demonstrates). (Although his is sort of a fancy-modern kraar: I can't find a picture online of the proper sort.)
― M Matos, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― B-Rad, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Re the mish-mash he talks about, Ethiopia had a long history of trade across the Red Sea and you will find many linguistic, musical & cultural links with – a lot of what to him sounds MidEastern is the (or a) traditional ‘Ethiopian’ sound insofar as it evolved there over the centuries. The Armenian connection does add some interesting links – the jazz scene in Syria for example was dominated by Aremenian so you will find similarities in the horn arrangements. I would differ with Nabisco on that there is a common Ethiopian thread; most Ethiopian music draws from the Amhara, Tigre and to a lesser degree Gurage traditions. Music from the Gambela region or that of the Konso ppl for example does sound vastly different.
There’s a wonderful book Abyssine Swing (think it is available on Amazon) by Francis Falceto, the editor of the Ethiopiques series that follows the development of music here through the 20th century. Great photos and provides a useful overview.
Nabisco, where did that Aster=Shania characterization come from??
Nickn – if you’re still around, I think Gigi’s album is great. Easiest thing might be to link to an article I wrote about her a couple years back http://www.afribeat.com/cont_gigi.html
Finally, since I found this thread after promising to recommend stuff to RS, the best place to start is the Ethiopiques series. Since it is now up to 14 volumes I’ll try to pick some highlights as a starting point.
3 – Compilation of different singers so you get a sense of the different singers out there. Muluken Mellesee is one of my favorite singers from that period and he has an amazing song ‘Hedech Alu’ on that one.
6 & 7 – Mahmoud Ahmed, one of the greatest Ethiopian singers. #7 'Ere Mela Mela' is generally considered the classic but #6 ‘Almaz’ edges it out for me
14 – Getachew Mekuria – the (still) reigning King of Ethiopian saxophone, pioneered this sort of honking proto-freejazz style called shellela based on 1) the maskinko, a one string viol used by azmaris (minstrels) and 2) ‘fukkera’ improvised chants that were used to build up courage before battle – swaggering blustering threats to the enemy.
― H (Heruy), Saturday, 19 April 2003 16:46 (twenty years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 19 April 2003 17:35 (twenty years ago) link
― H (Heruy), Saturday, 19 April 2003 18:55 (twenty years ago) link
BTW, how separate do you think the different musical traditions are, at this point? My view on this is probably slanted, because most of my experience of it is from the Mengistu national-music era, where everything was always roped off: like, here's an Amhara song; now here comes the Gurage part; etc. Obviously they're not that different in the grand scale of things, but it always seemed like there were efforts being made to maintain them as distinct "traditional" styles. (I usually like the Gurage stuff best, actually.)
My favorite Ethiopian 70s track remains "Good Aderegegnye," but I think I'm spelling that wrong and consequently can't google to remind myself who it was by.
― nabisco (nabisco), Saturday, 19 April 2003 19:38 (twenty years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Saturday, 19 April 2003 19:42 (twenty years ago) link
guragegna is like the soul music of ethiopia, much funkier, more upbeat. I think everyone I know loves it.
re seperation of muisc - well, it is still pretty roped off, ppl work in one tradition but as part of their set will always have at least, e.g one gurage song.
I think the song must be "Gud aderegegn' can't remember who did it but will post when i remember.
re your Dad hangin' with Mahmoud, remember Addis is a small town so everyone knew/knows each other. My folks knew him and were not part of 'swingin' artists' scene.
― H (Heruy), Saturday, 19 April 2003 20:12 (twenty years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Saturday, 19 April 2003 20:24 (twenty years ago) link
i mean addis anywhere between 4 and 5 million and it still fels like a village where everyone knows our business and you bump into the same ppl 10 times a day
― H (Heruy), Saturday, 19 April 2003 20:27 (twenty years ago) link
― H (Heruy), Sunday, 20 April 2003 09:31 (twenty years ago) link
Q. One thing you see a lot with Ethiopian bands that never winds up on recordings is this live-performance comedy thing: the band plays a figure and then stops, and the singer interjects amusing lines -- bum bum dum DUM (quick sentence) bum bum dum DUM (quick sentence) bum bum dum DUM (quick sentence) / Amharic-speaking portion of audience bursts into riotous laughter / non-Amharic portion asks what's so funny / Amharic-speaking portion offers confusing translation often involving a hyena metaphor. Are there any recordings that include this sort of thing? Not that it'd be much use to me, but I just wonder.
― nabisco (nabisco), Sunday, 20 April 2003 18:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 20 April 2003 19:00 (twenty years ago) link
Nabisco, I was saying that I've never seen that in the band context, only in the azmari bets. (losse translation, azmari bet = minstrel home) where the azmaris will riff on the crowd, use 'semmena worq'(wax & gold) to, through punning and layered meanings, coment on daily life, politics etc. I don't think any of this has ever been recorded (the experience is such a part of it that wouldn't really translate to recordings)
Vol. 2 of Ethiopiques is devoted to modern azmaris and has some interesting pieces on there, Tigist Assefa's "Toutouye" is the most explicitly sexual song ever done in Ethiopia. I would not advice playing that for your folks unles syou want to be slapped upside the head. Danny Teka's "Bob Marley" is hilarious as he tells the story of how his brother left him to find success as Bob, while Danny stayed home with the sheep.
― H (Heruy), Sunday, 20 April 2003 19:07 (twenty years ago) link
Thanks
― Ahmed Noman, Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 21:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 21:14 (nineteen years ago) link
Saturday September 18th
For the first time in New York CityLegendary World Music Award WinnerMAHMOUD AHMEDEthiopian Music Legend Icon
atSOB'S
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 04:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah figures it'd happen after I move across the country. Dammit.
― Metal Lifestyle, Evil, Hatred, Headbanging (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 16 September 2010 09:48 (thirteen years ago) link
He has done DC shows over the years, but they're usually only publicized in flyers left at Ethiopian restaurants and in D.C.'s Ethiopian newspaper.
L.A. has Ethiopian restaurants and an Ethiopian community, I wonder if he's doing a gig there also?
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 16 September 2010 17:55 (thirteen years ago) link
And apparently he has played NYC before-- and he was just at the Chicago jazz fest
― curmudgeon, Friday, 17 September 2010 03:54 (thirteen years ago) link
So a weekend for ethiop music in NYCFriday night got Debo Band and Fendika at Joe's Pub, Debo is a Boston based big band put together by Danny Mekonnen, the repertoire is ethiopian music tho the band is a mixture of americans and ethiopians, presented them at my festival a cpl years back, Fendika is an azmari bet in Addis Ababa and got singers and dancers from here performing with Debo. If anyone saw the Getachew/Ex tour the owner of Fendika, Melaku who is performing with Debo was the dancer on the tour Fri Sep 17 - Joe's Pub - NYCSat Sep 18- Balliceaux - Richmond, VASun Sep 19 - Crossroads Music - PhiladelphiaThu Sep 23 - Burnside Park Music Series - Providence, RISat Sep 25 - Global Union - MilwaukeeSat Sep 25 - Martyr's - Chicago World Music FestivalSun Sep 26 - Navy Pier -Chicago World Music Festivalv
Mahmoud is a phenomenal live performer and one of my all time favorite voices, he played DC a cpl weeks ago, not sure if he has another show there. His west coast shows were cancelled due to travel issues may be recheduled(and yeah he played NYC 2 years ago as part Lincoln Center Outdoors, as I organized that show was a lil peeved when I saw the flyer)
― H in Addis, Friday, 17 September 2010 09:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Oooh by coincidence I'm going to be in NYC from 18th! You there, H, or are you literally "in Addis"?
― Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 17 September 2010 12:29 (thirteen years ago) link
literally in Addis
― H in Addis, Friday, 17 September 2010 13:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm actually arriving on Saturday evening, so there's every chance I'll be fast asleep by the time the concert starts. We'll see...
― Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 17 September 2010 13:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Awww man, I wish I knew about that M. Ahmed show in DC. DC has a huge Ethiopian population but, as I noted above, the shows only seem to be advertised via postcards in Ethiopian restaurants, an Ethiopian language newspaper available only at Ethiopian shops and restaurants, and there might be a one time a week AM radio show in Ahmaric. I love Ethiopian food, but if I don't go have it for a few weeks, I seem to miss out on events. H,' do you have any DC contacts who could keep me in the loop? When I found a postcard in January for a Teddy Afro show that month at the 6,000 seat DC Armory, and blogged about it for the City Paper it got linked to by several websites and got tons of comments from Ethiopians.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 17 September 2010 13:54 (thirteen years ago) link
hmm, there are a cpl mailing lists, will get back to you on best way to be up to date
speaking of Teddy, I am quite surprised by the few tracks that have heard from his upcoming album, was never a huge fan and thought the majority of his stuff was just watered down pop reggae but this is a much more rootsy approach, lots of traditional instruments, much more instruments period and less reliance on synths. actually really looking forward to hearing the whole thing
― H in Addis, Friday, 17 September 2010 15:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Thanks. Someday I need to familiarize myself with the DC Ethiopian musician community that perform at various Washington DC area restaurants and write about them in the paper/website.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 17 September 2010 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link
RIP Getatchew Mekurya
― wizzz! (amateurist), Monday, 4 April 2016 20:26 (seven years ago) link
Some mentions of him here on this thread:
Ethiopiques S/D
― curmudgeon, Monday, 4 April 2016 21:01 (seven years ago) link
https://folklife.si.edu/magazine/admas-sons-of-ethiopia?fbclid=IwAR0hS_x4YAs9D_JSPjkPNJyj5O5fxU8Yaks4-SJhzzxR_4g1YFn25gRSCHI
In 1984 , 4 Young Ethiopians in DC recorded an album that rearranged golden era sounds with their DC & elsewhere influences - highlife, disco, Brazilian Jazz, reggae. They added 80s synths and drum machines too
The album is now reissued
― curmudgeon, Friday, 11 September 2020 14:33 (three years ago) link
Oh, that’s my interview/ Article on them
Has anybody come across a source for the Ayalew Mesfin Complete Works on cd other than the label which is charging $26 for p+p?Hoped there might be something thisi side of the Atlantic that would therefore have much cheaper postage but is the lable keeping the cd version solely to themselves. Am seeing the lp version coming from other sources.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 29 December 2020 12:39 (three years ago) link
Nope
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 3 January 2021 01:58 (three years ago) link