Billy Corgan

Anyway, as a long time Smashing Pumpkins/Corgan fan who tries not to let sucha fact cloud his judgement, I have to say that this album is thoroughly a hit and miss affair. It has IMO one really great song (The Camera Eye), four or five solid songs, with the rest being a mix of below average or absolutely atrocious. Right now I'd give it around a 6 or 7 out of 10, which may move up or down once I've given it more of a listen.

Anyway, it at least gives me hope that his next solo album could be great...actually ffs, REUNITE THE PUMPKINS, SLUT!!!

The lowest rating I did so far.

I like Billy Baby but he's not good anymore. You feel me?

I saw a ridic pink racing car with two (2!) spoilers (one on top of the other), with a glittery SP heart logo on every window. On the back window, in old English lettering, it said "LADY CORGAN."

Sounds about right.

Oh man, really? How so? I thought it was an unusual collision of worlds, but maybe I am not up on his fanbase.

It's the goth thing from what I can tell.

Wait, was it Tila Tequila?

hahaha jaymc

It looked like a chola car, Ned, not a gothics thing.

Not that there isn't overlap, I guess. (I think the two combined use 70% of the nation's eyeliner.)

Based on his various appearances at the Sky Saxon tribute show last night:

1) his Little Rascals/Jughead fashion sense is one of the smarter choices he's made (or is that Huntz Hall he's inspired by?)

2) did a lot of different things with ease -- led the Spirits in the Sky pickup group through three songs (full set on YouTube), appeared for a guitar solo on one Electric Prunes number, joined Djin Aquarian of YaHoWha13 to play bass and sung lead on "Can't Seem To Make You Mine" at the end of the night.

3) provided further evidence for my theory that's actually happiest on stage (and probably in general) when he's not struggling with his own expectations and/or ego. The three happiest and most relaxed times I've seen him perform were 2000 (earlier that day he announced the band's breakup and probably just felt he could take it easy), 2001 (the second Zwan show, just after the first and therefore beyond those expectations) and last night, where he was a featured performer but not the center of attention. So last night was a lot of humor, gawkiness, shy smiles, etc.

And the new song that he debuted with the Spirits in the Sky was pretty good!

not bad for a dead man

Maybe it was a clone.

dudes!
billy corgan: puppeteer

Somehow not surprising.

Can someone photoshop this into Being Billy Corgan?

http://i33.tinypic.com/2rh0h2g.jpg

http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/09/jessica-simpson-the-great-pumpkin-connection/

that pic looks like this cover by german band

http://dreamchimney.com/slvs/Kopfsalat_20071005075249.jpg

The "I Think That I'm In Love with You" v.s. "Disarm" mash-up should be made any day now to celebrate this absurd pair.

ok that close up of corgan's face made me lol. "WHAT HAVE I DONE."

"he's too old for her

looks more like he's stalking her than dating her"

lolol

he looks more like billy drago with each passing year

http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/fringe-the-observer.jpg

lol

The new Pumpkins song is actually not surprisingly not horrible. The drumming sucks, but thats to be expected when you replace Jimmy Chamberlain with a 19 year old. I really dig the guitar solo. So much better than the Zeitgeist stuff.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/23/smashing.pumpkins.ppl/index.html?iref=obinsite

oops

The Grunge Book? Photo of 'ol SP? HORRIBLE. You'd think we were unattractive trolls...coming off digging for truffles in shit.
about 3 hours ago via txt

Billy
Billy Corgan

confirming, in case there was any doubt, that it was NOT a stage move.

wow there is a decent chunk of crazy there

# Soon the governments in western nations will be changing the temperatures in your home over-riding your control, all in the name of green BS 7:47 AM Jul 24th via txt

# Don't believe me? Look up 'smart grid technology'. All new control boxes will have wireless technology by law. Why?Because U use 2 much NRG! 7:49 AM Jul 24th via txt

My parents (74 years old) live in northern CA, and my dad was ranting about this temp-control thing in their house.

sorta wish that shit were true

State Proposes to Take Control of Home Temps

wow, waht a dick

http://origin.avclub.com/chicago/articles/billy-corgan-gets-in-a-nasty-internet-fight-with-a,60967/

ah crap i didnt see that somebody bumped a smashing pumpkins thread about this already

S'ok. But yeah, Corgan is an utter asshole, proven more and more every day.

Tempted to start a taking sides thread, T/S Billy Corgan vs. Morrissey: which is pissing away goodwill with his own fans faster?

yeah the funny thing is i have known a lot of people that have dealt with devi over the years, and she is kind of notoriously honest and nice for the boutique pedal world - so this is particularly offensive imo.

A couple of days and a harrowing plane flight later, the band makes it to a resort town called Surfer’s Paradise, which is more or less the Miami Beach of Australia, a skinny coastal town about an hour south of Brisbane, pounded by waves and plagued with jellyfish, crowded with high-rise hotels popular with Japanese honeymooners. Surfer’s Paradise is the jumping-off point for the Big Day Out tour, a sort of Australian Lollapalooza that Soundgarden will headline this year. In the lobby bar of one of the tallest hotels, Cornell and Thayil are settling back with a couple of beers when Billy Corgan from Smashing Pumpkins wanders through, and decides to join them for a strawberry margarita. Corgan chatters about the pain of his life, the supposed incompetence of his band (everybody rolls their eyes), the lifesaving virtues of Jungian therapy, bands that suck. Cornell gets up to leave. Corgan tells Thayil how important Soundgarden used to be to him, and he baits him by saying that the Pumpkins sometimes do a cover of Soundgarden’s “Outshined” that segues into a Depeche Mode song or something.

“I’m thinking of making my next album really new wave,” Corgan says, “like ’83-’84 new wave, not like Berlin. I spend all my time doing things that may be a bit tangential, but I think I’m going to go back to the core, the heart music. Echo and the Bunnymen.”

This is standard stuff to anybody who has read even a single Billy Corgan profile, the basic curriculum of Pumpkins 101. But Thayil isn’t buying. He’s sore.

“Don’t you see,” Thayil says, “you’re this incredibly talented guy. People like your music. You have a good band. You sell a lot of records. You don’t need all this…stuff.”

“What sign are you?” Corgan asks.

“What do you mean, what sign am I?” Thayil says. “What difference could that possibly make?”

“C’mon,” wheedles Corgan, “when is your birthday?”

“All right, goddamn it: September 4th.”

“Aha!” Corgan says. “A Virgo. You’re argumentative.”

“Damn right, I’m argumentative,” Thayil says, and takes a long, angry pulll at his beer, “which you should know because I’ve been arguing with you for half an hour, not because of any sign.”

“I’m a Pisces,” Corgan replies. “We pick up on those things.”

A minute later, Corgan, still probing, finally finds the key to Thayil’s heart: “I hate how in magazine pictures, they always stick me somewhere in the back.”

Thayil explodes: “What do you mean? You write all the songs, and you do all the interviews. You play the instruments on the album. You control the band to the extent that most people think of Smashing Pumpkins as the Billy Corgan Experience, and all you care about is some photograph?”

“But I hate it,” Corgan says, “it means they don’t think I’m the cute one.”

“Ooh,” Thayil says a little too loudly as Corgan walks away, “I’ll bet he’s going to call his therapist in Chicago, wake her up at four in the morning, and tell her about that big, mean bear who made fun of him.”

The next day at the Big Day Out festival, Thayil is talking to Kim and Kelley Deal in the Breeders’ dressing room when Corgan walks past wearing a long-sleeved Superman T-shirt like the one your four-year-old nephew probably owns.

“You hurt me deeply,” Corgan says, touching the giant S on his chest and pouting. “You hurt me deeply in my heart.” The Pumpkins go on to play the best set anybody has ever heard them play, their usual passiveness and precision overlaid with an unfamiliar scrim of anger that throws their music into brilliant relief.

wait i thought slash fic was supposed to end with corgan and thayil boning

Billy is fucked up and wrong here, obviously, but I could only make it about 3 minutes into Ever's response video. Sorry, that person is insufferable.

the smashing pumpkins
http://c438342.r42.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/the-smashing-pumpkins-2011.jpg

I'm guessing she plays bass then

That's actually Billy Corgan, post-op. They founds some girl who looks just like old Corgan to play bass.

looooool @ that picture

first iteration Pumpkins >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zwan record >>>> Zeitgeist >> Corgan solo record >>>>>>>>> everything since

I liked his solo album better than Zwan!

the worst thing about Corgan getting some 19-year-old kid to replace Chamberlain is that he's not even some phenomenal prodigy or anything, the show i saw last year the drumming was kinda lame

i really like "G.L.O.W." and "That's the Way (My Love Is)" and a couple of Zwan songs, could probably put together a mix of awesome songs Corgan has done since the first SP breakup but i'd have to slog through a lot of shit to get there

is "G.L.O.W." a paean to gorgeous ladies of wrestling?

Unfortunately no.

a lot of places reported that it was (which would make sense given Corgan's wrestling fandom) but i haven't seen it confirmed w/ any official quotes or analyzed the lyrics or anything to be sure

it's kind of cool that john cusack is in the band now

young cusack too, fresh out of his hot tub time machine

Vaguely inevitable

Gonna echo Flappy up thread - i'm just happy corgan gets to be a parent. it'll be good for him.

welcome, Gus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHA-DB4Pjz8

Corgan, 48, who is best known as the founder and frontman of the ’90s alternative rock band The Smashing Pumpkins, is also a poet.

i know i am going to regret this, but ... 'poet' ??

"i am a published poette" - billy crogan

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41uHQg6uPWL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

it's pretty good imo

2004 promo interview for BWF, really good: https://vimeo.com/58320287

i did not know that.

his poetry is awful

his poetry is awful

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Do you like his lyrics? I think a lot of Blinking with Fists is as good or better than his lyrics on the first five records.

"A Twixt the Twine"

A twixt the twine and flowers divine
Devise the design in this copper wine
Aghast the mask of ripping change
A loft amongst the highest paid

blend in the softer hues
Bespeak of melon and her honey fuse
Light my ire's with playful trust
For devour you insatiable I mus
So mixed the mire the many did soar
Sour the supirn on slippery floor
Green the grievous poured wound into salt
Salacious and sated the savory sport

Don't get certain play trickw with mine pull
Gather your colours and ever your sulk
No manners in me matter the most
Than playing valor to your consummate host
Pillow the phenom on purring divan
Mellow the missing on vanilla white toast
Laboured among the living lull last
Repay the repast in revolting rake

Never come give it up, whatever you may squander
The figs in the pockets and the coursings down under
By blood are the passions passing us up
By pill the poison feeling
The heat it kills me everyday
By graveyard vigil and candles I bake
And kitchens are aching for archangel falls
Of soft baby bottoms and polished skulls, amen.

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do u like his lyrics though? jw

i mean i still love many of the lyrics on sd, mellon collie, adore, and machina, but who knows how much of that is just growing up with them

guy went for a more direct style around zwan/the poetry book and it's negatively affected his songwriting ever since imo. give me "in the slipstream of thoughtless thoughts" over that shit any day

he was also a formative influence on my own writing, let me tell you i loved the incoherent garbage "excerpt" from "glass and the machines of god" in the machina booklet. i also still sorta like it bc billy obv just liked the lamb lies down on broadway way too much, which same

I should say that "billy corgan was a formative influence on my writing" really just applies to me writing bad poetry at ages 12-14 but i'm probably compromised forever in ways i don't even recognize

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/18/Vogon_jelzt_reading_poetry.png

I was not expecting this at all

http://pitchfork.com/news/64406-smashing-pumpkins-reunited-with-james-iha-for-first-concert-in-16-years/?mbid=social_facebook

Cripes!

anything is possible in this world

crying

Yeah, I got choked up. Great to see...and a really nice version of "Mayonaise." Always loved James the best.

i watched the status quo documentary last night on bbc4
(never been a fan, but got sucked into the story),
there is something special about bands who go through court cases,
media based slanging matches and then ..
after a few years (a very long time in the case of quo) grow the fuck up and realise that its time to acknowledge the good times and just get on with getting on.
hopefully this is the start of the same kind of process for billy and the others,
as i would suggest that this is a band that could still make good music together ...

https://i.imgur.com/v4RbFj9.gif?5952

That was great - the "Mayonaise" video

literally anything is possible

oh lol i see i echoed flappy bird there

It's good to see this happen, but I'd be far more impressed if I saw Billy and D'Arcy share a stage again.

Sadly I think that's out of Bill's control...D'arcy hasn't played music since she left SP in 1999. Toward the end, she couldn't even remember the songs. She was totally fried on hard drugs and judging by recent pictures and that radio phone call in 2009, she's still drinking and using and basically out of commission...somehow, I'm friends with her on Facebook, and she's totally unrecognizable. The damage with James was entirely interpersonal, I don't think D'arcy could play with SP again even if she wanted to. Billy said a lot of awful shit about James since 2000, but he's never talked shit about D'arcy behind stating the obvious, "she has a lot of problems..."

Yes. Hence why I would be impressed.

Having 3/4 of the original lineup on good terms bodes well for a Hall of Fame nomination in the next few years.

Billy's new solo album is called The Land of Maybe. Recording finished, only needs to be mixed & mastered.

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14680700_10154271739673005_2497008279490373018_n.jpg

https://www.facebook.com/Swan5/photos/a.312898373004.150334.116888938004/10154271739673005/?type=3&theater

are you not entertained?

http://soundcitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/billycorgan.jpg

Boy, these Corgan appearances on the Alex Jones show are, uh, something else. (Available for your viewing "pleasure" on YouTube.) I had a tough enough time defending my love for BC's music after I found out he was a run-of-the-mill prick; now I can see he's also a total wackjob hateful conspiracy crank.

http://consequenceofsound.net/2017/01/billy-corgan-defends-trump-blasts-fake-news-in-new-interview/

I hate to make the most obvious point: If you’ve got 10 billion dollars, you’re not hiring hookers.

??????

right, he never defends Trump in there, he's wrong about the hookers thing, it's the same tip he's been on for years: spiritual with a dash of conspiracy theory/new world order crank, disdain for the major media organs that made him a star and now no longer have any use for him. also he only ripped on anderson cooper because anderson cooper dedicated a 5-minute segment to mocking bill's cat magazine cover unprovoked. look, he was on mancow and mancow asked him if he understood why the pictures of him at disneyworld were funny. "no, i don't get it. we seem to live in a culture that thrives on misery..." and then wouldn't let it go for 10-15 minutes. it was great

"Allow me to explain Bitcoin."

"It's crashing."

"Well, someone will say what is lost can never be saved, sure, but."

Caged Rat, 2017 pic.twitter.com/vGseaAIjKv

— Bruce Tennant (@BruceTennant) December 22, 2017

Looking more and more like Walter Becker every day

I liked his comment about people hung up on the name change- "it's my real name, it's not like i named myself Quasar 47."