― dan. (dan.), Friday, 4 March 2005 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link
So many great songs: "The Emperor's New Clothes" (one of the best fade-outs ever), "Mandinka," "The Last Day of Our Acquaintance," "Troy," "Jerusalem."
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 4 March 2005 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 4 March 2005 15:41 (nineteen years ago) link
also search the track she did with Bomb The Bass and Benjamin Zephaniah, "Empire", which is terrifically dark. And "The Last Day Of Our Acquaintance" soundtracking the last chapter of Bret Easton Ellis's Glamorama.
she should have done more covers: she was a truly stunning interpretative artist, "Nothing Compares 2 U" is an obvious example but she also did gorgeous versions of "Sacrifice", "All Apologies" and "Don't Cry For Me Argentina" as well. (xpost!)
― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 4 March 2005 15:42 (nineteen years ago) link
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― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 4 March 2005 16:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 March 2005 16:30 (nineteen years ago) link
I could have lived the rest of my life happily not knowing that.
(I didn't actually know "Jackie" was an album opener, I only have the best of CD and Universal Mother; should I investigate the earlier albums?)
― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 4 March 2005 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 4 March 2005 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link
Hahaha. (Keep in mind I lurv Placebo.) It's on the covers bonus disc that came with Sleeping With Ghosts.
should I investigate the earlier albums?
Um, yes? Very much so?
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 March 2005 16:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― shookout (shookout), Friday, 4 March 2005 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 4 March 2005 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link
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― jed_ (jed), Friday, 4 March 2005 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link
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― shookout (shookout), Friday, 4 March 2005 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link
and Jed is OTM on the don't cry for me argentina..some how lighthearted and cutting at the same time...I think she got a bit of a raw deal for being so forceful with her politics, to the point of amost being cheap. I recall a huge scandal when she played Saratoga one summer when I was in jr. high (i think) and refusing to have the national anthem played before the show...that seemed, even then, a bit childish, but the young fresh foolish me got chills when she ripped up the pope.
― b b, Friday, 4 March 2005 20:16 (nineteen years ago) link
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― ffirehorse, Friday, 4 March 2005 20:32 (nineteen years ago) link
(Otherwise, I'm with everyone else who rates her first two as unassailable Classics).
― David A. (Davant), Friday, 4 March 2005 21:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 4 March 2005 21:19 (nineteen years ago) link
That "Gospel Oak" EP, short though it may be, shows that she remains an amazing songwriter. Her last two albums proper, though - "Universal Mother" and "Faith and Courage" - seem too set on the by then impossible notion that she might get played on the radio, and therefore she makes the attendant compromises. To be honest, I'm worried Kate Bush may fall prey to the same delusion.
Frankly, I wish Sinead realized (assuming she doesn't) that she could maintain her ideals on the folk/cult circuit, a la Marianne Faithful or someone like that, rather than aim for pop appeal.
― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 4 March 2005 21:30 (nineteen years ago) link
(xpost)
― David A. (Davant), Friday, 4 March 2005 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 4 March 2005 21:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― Sara Sherr, Friday, 4 March 2005 21:55 (nineteen years ago) link
I loved that EP she put out in '97 or so.
― ian in brooklyn, Friday, 4 March 2005 23:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― keith m (keithmcl), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:57 (nineteen years ago) link
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― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 5 March 2005 02:22 (nineteen years ago) link
Her version of "The Butcher's Boy" in the film of the same name is pretty special.
"I Am Stretched On Your Grave" was teh jammm at the time. Haven't heard it in years.
― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Saturday, 5 March 2005 02:49 (nineteen years ago) link
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― paulhw (paulhw), Sunday, 6 March 2005 01:13 (nineteen years ago) link
Massive Attack -- Special Cases (Radio Edit)Asian Dub Foundation Featuring Sinéad O'Connor -- 1000 MirrorsBomb The Bass Featuring Sinéad O'Connor & Benjamin Zephaniah -- EmpireGhostland -- Guide Me GodJah Wobble's Invaders Of The Heart Featuring Sinéad O'Connor -- Visions Of YouAfro Celt Sound System -- Release (Album Edit)Sinéad O'Connor With The Blockheads -- Wake Up And Make Love With MeThe The -- Kingdom Of Rain (Album Version)U2 & Sinéad O'Connor -- I’m Not Your BabyConjure One Featuring Sinéad O'Connor -- Tears From The Moon (Album Version)Peter Gabriel & Sinéad O'Connor -- Blood Of Eden (Radio Edit)Moby Featuring Sinéad O'Connor -- HarbourAslan -- Up In ArmsDamien Dempsey Featuring Sinéad O'Connor -- It’s All GoodThe Edge & Sinéad O'Connor -- Heroine (Theme From “Captive”)The Colourfield Featuring Sinéad O'Connor -- Monkey In WinterSinéad O'Connor & Terry Hall -- All Kinds Of Everything
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 22 May 2005 13:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 22 May 2005 13:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― brittle-lemon, Sunday, 22 May 2005 15:15 (eighteen years ago) link
Two tributes I saw over the weekend that I really liked--Walter Chaw: https://decider.com/2023/07/28/sinead-o-connor-butcher-boy🕸/(our own) glenn mcdonald: https://furia.com/newparticles/current.html🕸
While collecting peat in the bog one day, Francie is visited by a holy vision of the Virgin Mary — of course, Jordan cast Sinéad O’Connor to play the role. “Hello, Francie. How are things? Worried, Francie? What were you worried about?” Her tone is so kind and countenance so gentle it’s possible to forget for a moment what she represents as the single most visible and uncompromising critic of the Catholic Church in the world playing one of its most profound objects of worship. Reunited on the outside with his friend, Joe (Alan Boyle), Francie hallucinates an atomic attack, in the aftermath of which he sees the burnt corpses of the town as blackened pigs and the Virgin Mary in a destroyed television set, cooing an Irish song (“Beautiful Bonduran by the silvery sea/your golden strand charms so grand”) from the wreckage of the world. When he talks with her again, now as a grown man doing his best to act the right way after a lifetime of persecution and injury, failed psychiatric treatments and occasional forced institutionalizations, she says “the world goes one way, we go another, do you get my meaning?” I’m not sure Francie does get her meaning. But I do.
― a love song for connor wong (gyac), Wednesday, 2 August 2023 14:13 (seven months ago) link
And sorry if that song has been posted previously, there’s been a lot of posts
V good read:
https://zacharylipez.ghost.io/never-get-old/
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 2 August 2023 15:20 (seven months ago) link
My favorite moment in The Butcher Boy is when Virgin Mary Sinead says, "Fer fuck's sake, Frankie!"
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 2 August 2023 15:23 (seven months ago) link
Dave Stewart posted what looks like live footage of Sinead singing the vocal track for “Jealous” (one of my favorites):
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvLUDdQNKHD/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
― birdistheword, Thursday, 3 August 2023 05:11 (seven months ago) link
y’all, Alfred is on this week’s NYT popcast pod. just starting it now :)
― sknybrg, Thursday, 3 August 2023 17:47 (seven months ago) link
Oh! Didn't know it went live!
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 August 2023 17:51 (seven months ago) link
i started listening earlier this morning & said HOORAY out loud when they intro’d him
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 3 August 2023 18:28 (seven months ago) link
Excellent work Alfred!
Here's the link: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/03/arts/music/popcast-sinead-oconnor.html
― birdistheword, Thursday, 3 August 2023 19:22 (seven months ago) link
So sad to hear about Sinead O' Connor; thee definition of fearless. I once got punched by someone when DJ'ing in the early 90s after going from some mad UK hardcore track into her version of "I am Stretched on your Grave" (so much for PLUR!). Will try that again this weekend!— Optimo (Espacio) (@JDTwitch) July 26, 2023
― PaulTMA, Friday, 4 August 2023 00:20 (seven months ago) link
Alfred, your crushing this ep of NYT Popcast!
― ripersnifle, Friday, 4 August 2023 00:58 (seven months ago) link
*you're
― ripersnifle, Friday, 4 August 2023 01:57 (seven months ago) link
I think I made too many obvious points but thank you! I appreciate it.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 August 2023 03:36 (seven months ago) link
Great conversation. Really enjoyed the discussion on cover versions and Sinead’s approach to them. I lost the thread fairly early in her career, so the points made here, and on today’s pod, are making me eager to dig back into her catalog
― sknybrg, Friday, 4 August 2023 04:42 (seven months ago) link
One can never be too obvious for New York Times readers/podcast listeners.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 4 August 2023 15:16 (seven months ago) link
lol
― Poor Little Fool Killer (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 4 August 2023 15:17 (seven months ago) link
Great episode, superb guest. Gave Sinead the historical weight she so deserves.
― Indexed, Friday, 4 August 2023 18:18 (seven months ago) link
Thank you!
and good morning!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNAqVfCvr-I
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 5 August 2023 12:06 (seven months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hj4370BMCE
― droid, Tuesday, 8 August 2023 10:24 (seven months ago) link
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvMQ0hqtz6D/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 8 August 2023 11:26 (seven months ago) link
(Sinead doing "Princess of the Posse" with Latifah on her talk show#
Love that so much because it's 100% being done because Sinead loves that song, it's not like that is a song most people even remember
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 8 August 2023 11:28 (seven months ago) link
I finally got a chance to listen to the podcast. Alfred, you were brilliant. The host was pretty insufferable.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 8 August 2023 12:32 (seven months ago) link
thanks, jimbeaux :)
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 August 2023 12:35 (seven months ago) link
Is there a link to the podcast that doesn't require me to login/create an account?
― niall horanburger (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 8 August 2023 13:05 (seven months ago) link
Try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRz2XiwgHoo
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 August 2023 13:16 (seven months ago) link
Listened this morning: really good stuff, Alfred!
― mike t-diva, Tuesday, 8 August 2023 13:29 (seven months ago) link
enjoyed listening alfred! especially nice that you helped steer the convo past the usual pope/nothing compares stuff, the b52s cover was a really great surprise
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 8 August 2023 14:40 (seven months ago) link
A very touching poem from her brother that was read at the funeral yesterday.
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2023/08/09/blackbird-in-dun-laoghaire-a-poem-by-joseph-oconnor/
― droid, Wednesday, 9 August 2023 13:42 (seven months ago) link
The London Inner South Coroner's Court has issued a statement that says O'Connor died from natural causes. The court added that they have now ceased their involvement in O'Connor's death.
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 15:12 (two months ago) link
Yep.
― droid, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 16:32 (two months ago) link
"Mere hours before her cause of death was shared on Tuesday, it had been announced that a special tribute concert to O’Connor and the late Pogues frontman Shane MacGowan will be taking place at Carnegie Hall in New York in March. Irish singers Glen Hansard, David Gray, Dropkick Murphys, Cat Power and Amanda Palmer are among the musicians taking part, with more to be announced."
Apologies to Cat Power but I may have to bomb this.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 17:02 (two months ago) link
The Irish singer died by natural causes
Is this going to change the narrative that everyone seems to have adopted, based on certain assumptions?
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 17:44 (two months ago) link
Because that linked yahoo article (and the term "natural causes") are still pretty ambiguous, here's a more unambiguous statement from WaPo:
Most deaths from natural causes are not reported to any coroner but if a coroner found natural causes it would never be a suicide.” If someone dies of “natural causes,” this means that they did not die by suicide, or in an accident, or by a drug overdose, he said.
― enochroot, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 17:58 (two months ago) link
So what then was the cause of death? Presumably this means she had some kind of sickness, but what was it?
― lord of the rongs (anagram), Tuesday, 9 January 2024 18:01 (two months ago) link
xxxp that carnegie hall tribute show includes a $20,000 "nothing compares 2u" package where you get to weigh in on the order of the songs being played? https://citywinery.com/new-york-city/events/nothing-compares-2-u-wjs0ta
― BrianB, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 18:12 (two months ago) link
aren’t coroners different in every state? I think there was a Frontline about that. Natural causes may be more or less ambiguous depending on the locality.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 9 January 2024 18:14 (two months ago) link
I bet the boys of the NYPD choir don't even be there (especially since there's no such thing)
― StanM, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 18:59 (two months ago) link