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That "Sholay" tune is good.

.adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:14 (fifteen years ago) link

I wish dubstep sounded more like "Armani Versace vs. Mercedes Bentley".

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:24 (fifteen years ago) link

Is that the Warp "garage" tune that Alex talks about?

.adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:27 (fifteen years ago) link

is FWD @ plastic people on this thursday? that club's website hasn't been updated for a while!

xenografia, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:27 (fifteen years ago) link

Is that the Warp "garage" tune that Alex talks about?

I think that's the one, I'll hook you up later today. It's all about the "Dub Plate remix".

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:31 (fifteen years ago) link


.adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:33 (fifteen years ago) link

"Is that the Warp "garage" tune that Alex talks about?"

It is!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:59 (fifteen years ago) link

It's very Horsepower Productions also obv.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:00 (fifteen years ago) link

I like these records:

Toasty "the Knowledge" (Hot Flush)
Search and Destroy "Food Chain" (Texture)
Slaughter Mob vs. Search and Destroy "Saddam" (Soul Ja)

Check out the Search and Destroy pirate radio shows if you are in London, a friend hooked me up with a CDR of Dj Prior's set on there and it's really heavy, super cool stuff.

ps: people seem to be calling the above records/scene "breaks" (yeah, dumb name, I know) rather than dubstep proper, but anyway to my ears it sounds like slowed down (to 120 bpm) jungle purged of its breakbeats but with those heavy heavy basslines, ecstatic/dark strings, and vocal/percussive tidbits getting tossed into ominous delays and reverbs. In other words, menacing and rad.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:30 (fifteen years ago) link

tnt vs outlaw breaks "nissi"
plasticman "shox waves", "hard graft", "venom"
benga "skank"
bionics vs slimzee "capsule"
b jammin "tonka (menta remix)"
jon e cash "war (vip mix)" (well he calls it sublow but whatevs)

horsepower productions, zed bias and any other lightweight wine bar shit.

scg, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:53 (fifteen years ago) link

i dunno actually some of those are probably considered 8 bar tunes, not sure. lol @ "daring, brilliant, intense"

scg, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:55 (fifteen years ago) link

why is that lol-worthy? its a tad pretentious i admit.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:14 (fifteen years ago) link

Are they really playing Horsepower in wine bars?

I don't think I've ever been to a wine bar.

.adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:17 (fifteen years ago) link

maybe not winebars. maybe coffee tables.

scg, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:20 (fifteen years ago) link

but a lot of dubstep is too dark to please the coffeetable crowd, even if horsepower might do.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:24 (fifteen years ago) link

I went to a wine bar in NYC with some ilxor's in September. I think they were playing Duran Duran and Journey!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:32 (fifteen years ago) link

also re: "Armani Versace..."

It's very Horsepower Productions also obv.

I have to disagree. The arrangement is much more whacked out whereas Horsepower is almost nu-jazzy - although maybe it's because I only listen to the dub (can't remember the a-side mix at all).

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:34 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't think of Horsepower Productions as being jazzy or winebar-ish. Perhaps I'm not listening right. I do agree that Versace dub is more weird-y than most of HP's work.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:37 (fifteen years ago) link

Even the most recent album? Also, the samples would likely preclude winebar play!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:39 (fifteen years ago) link

Sorry, I'm basing this ENTIRELY on their first album and associated singles. I didn't buy the last given the spate of negative reviews.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:43 (fifteen years ago) link

I actually liked the second one when it came out, but I haven't returned to it. I certainly wouldn't give it a "negative" review. It wasn't very innovative I guess.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:51 (fifteen years ago) link

Martin Clark is on dubstep's payroll! ;)

dubstep... money... don't make me laugh!

martin (martin), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:54 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't consider dubstep to be a subgenre of grime.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:04 (fifteen years ago) link

it isn't. it dates from an earlier strand of garage. dubstep started when El-B and Zed Bias built on Groove Chronicles (which El-B was part of) and Steve Gurley productions.

This is was the beginning of dark swing. As the Groove Chronicles' "1999" and El-B/Ghost's "2000" suggest, these predate the Pay As U Go /Musical Mob strains of dark garage that grime evolved out of in 2001.

martin (martin), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:17 (fifteen years ago) link

no Forward in january i dont think
this is the line up for the next 2 months

February - Scientist, Youngsta, J Da Flex & mc Crazy D
March - Plasticman, Kode9, Wonder & mc Crazy D

Jon B, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:11 (fifteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
the more I listen, the more I think Plastic needs to leave. Plus he is pretty shitty personality wize.

i am right (cs appleby), Sunday, 30 January 2005 11:39 (fifteen years ago) link

four months pass...
Find threads from I Love Music, subject contains 'grime'.

72 results found:

DAEREST V1CE MAGAZINE!!!!! (ex machina), Friday, 17 June 2005 20:43 (fourteen years ago) link

two months pass...
update update ppl

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:15 (fourteen years ago) link

new in dubstep worth checking:

dj younsta - dubstep allstars volume 2 - features the massive neverland coming to vinyl on DMZ005 soon - also includes a variety of forthcoming hotness

DMZ004 - Coki - officer &

N-Type - Square Off

the new one from D1 (SOULJA008)

the utterly essential HYP003 - kode9's Kingstown

Benny Ill vs Dinesh & Mark One (VEHICLE5)

very old now but dub child's - voodoo tears it

plus many others - excellent period right now

check mr blackdown and mr dusk's keysound radio mix

myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:33 (fourteen years ago) link

haha, I got some of those off you!

And jed sent me Kingstown. Dusk and Blackdown's Keysound mix is REALLY good.

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Myke you are saint. "Kingston" is really good Prince Far I redux.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:47 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah myke thanks for letting me leech offa you like a...leech.

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:47 (fourteen years ago) link

I like rap grime and dubstep grime too.I favorably reviewed the first Rephlex comp in Voice, haven't heard the second. (Even if they were hopping on the grimewagon by calling dubstep "grime," not like they were detracting from rap grime's American hits, cos there weren't none). "Slowed-down jungle" is a paradox, but one that this comp usually uses well, along with others. (Although the first couple of tracks are closer to regular-speed jungle, which may be one reason they aren't as good as the other tracks.)(Not that I don't like regular-speed jungle, sometimes, but these initial tracks aren't good at that approach.)Dubstep on this Grime comp is literally grimey at times, but fun: like joyriding a forklift around in a warehouse you are visiting. (I'm *told it's fun.)

don, Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:52 (fourteen years ago) link

i thought ilm didn't give dubstep any love? :)

myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:53 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't know about ILM but I'm coming round to dubstep.

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm still pretty ambivalent, but there's certain stuff I love. It's hard music to love unless you are going and dancing to it, I think.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Or you could get stoned and listen to Keysound Radio on headphones.

I guess....

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 21:02 (fourteen years ago) link

oh i forgot something - macabre unit's lift off - classic

myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 21:04 (fourteen years ago) link

Yes, whenever I get my new headphones I will do that.

We'd be remiss not to mention the Plasticman 1Extra mix as well (which I still haven't finished, but which is quite good so far.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 21:06 (fourteen years ago) link

I still think the "21st Century Skank" mix that Kode9 put up on (it's still there peeps!) was dubstep proper's pinnacle - begins with Zed Bias's "Ring The Alarm" and it's solid hits all the way through.

I've been accused of abandoning dubstep once grime came along and simply following the dictates of fashion. I'd someday like to write something long and torturous about the kernel of traumatic truth in this: the fact that changes in fashion of this type are sometimes the precise thing which opens up the space to stand back from a genre and perceive its limitations: by the end of 2002 you could make the retrospective argument that dubstep had been the "wrong" microstrand to watch, that "Pulse X" was what was important, but right through the preceding year it had felt like there was a properly dialectical tension b/w dubstep and proto-grime, that the next thing was going to emerge from the interstices between the former's dazzling fluidity and the latter's blocky rigidity.

And this is actually what happened, if you squint: the blocky rigidity simply intensified and mutated itself into something else which on the one hand worked according to entirely different rules and on the other rhythmically pre-empted anything that dubstep might bring to the table (you could say that "I Luv U" was the paradigmatic tune here but I think a better example might be J Sweet, Cameo and Gemma Fox's "Baby" - a pop-grime 8-bar beloved of Femme Fatale which nonetheless contains within it the same sort of razzle-dazzle snare action dealt by Horsepower, Bias or DJ Hatcha at their respective bests). And it really was as-against-this that dubstep began to strike me as somehow insufficient.

There's a sense in which grime actually "ate" dubstep - or at least the bits that I love, that I would insist housed the largest part of its potential - and all of dubstep's developments since then - whether it be mirroring grime or drifting towards broken beat or simply intensifying its "pure" strain in which rhythmic invention is increasingly downplayed in favour of other, less immediately tangible principles (see how dubstep increasingly transplants the "House is a feeling!" catch-cry as its own) - feel like attempts to distance itself from that traumatic experience of cannibalism. The fashionable switch from dubstep to grime was responding to something quite real that was going on in the music i think.

NB. This may be interpreted as a rant against post-02 dubstep but it's not meant in that spirit. There is a lot of stuff in the genre that I really like. Just wanted to give an example (from my own experience) of what might be behind a lot of people preferring grime to dubstep.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 21:07 (fourteen years ago) link

Great, I'll bring my headphones and some of that Cali!

The Plasticman mix is good. Release an album, Plasticman!


Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 21:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Tim, may I ask if you've heard the Keysound Radio mix on Martin's blog?

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 21:09 (fourteen years ago) link

Like some people said in the 60s, "You are what you eat." So Dizzee and Wiley's grime may have eaten dubstep, and it's part of what they did (maybe less so now). To me, dub's shapeshifting trickiness can get predictable, stale, like some old pothead entertaining only himself; stepping ( of the kind R. Kelly gushes over, "It's a way of life!" or techstep, whatever dance-specific music) can seem just as insular in its own way.Dubstep, at its best, or even median,seemed to bring the best bits of both out of their shells. And if rap-grime ate that, hey. Of course rap has broader, deeper associations/appeal than dub or steps, so rap grime, or Real Grime, if you like has more appeal, in some ways (but still no hits over here)

don, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 04:58 (fourteen years ago) link

Adam I have heard the Keysound radio mix - I really like it too! Even the dubstep bits! Esp. the second track, the one after the Kode9 cover of "Ghost Town" with those eerie bits of accordian and eerie ambient sounds - "Indian Stomp" I think. Also Digital Mystikz's "Forgive" when it gets over its dirgey bass inclinations in the first half and goes properly muso with the trumpet and piano and rainstorm. Martin's really good too at constructing a vibe (and in a way his own tracks are the "vibiest" even if they're not necessarily my standout favourites). Having said that when "Win" starts up afterwords I'm suddenly on a whole 'nother level of enjoyment - canny choice of track too, "Win" may be Roll Deep's most "dubstep" moment apart from "Ground Zero" which honestly bores me now.

I think it's actually partly because I do like individual dubstep tracks so much that it really frustrates me that I don't like more of the genre, and it makes me harsher on it than I should be. Dubstep wears it's "I bring you the FUTURE! THE FUTURE! THE FUTURE!" inclinations on its sleeve, so it's easy for it to feel like it's underperforming. The obvious corrolary is techstep/neurofunk '97, where there's a handful of stuff that is among my favourite music ever, and most of the rest I could probably take or leave.

And in the spirit of forgiveness I should make a gratuitous shout-out to my favourite "mid-period" dubstep track, DJ Abstract's "Touch" - which is thoroughly awesome, but maybe I like it so much because it's almost a "proper" 2-step track. Female vocals! And gorgeously syncopated breakbeats, like a mutant hybrid of The Wideboys "Something's Got Me Started (Dub)" with the Zed Bias remix of 2 Banks of Four's "Hook and a Line". And squiggly keyboards!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 26 August 2005 14:06 (fourteen years ago) link

four months pass...

Dubstep lovers, this week's Breezeblock was a dubstep special (programme is streamed for a week), with Mala (Digital Mystikz), Skream, Kode 9 and Space Ape, Vex'd, Hatcha, Loefah and Sgt. Pokes, and Distance.

Tracklisting here.

stevo (stevo), Thursday, 12 January 2006 12:12 (fourteen years ago) link

the previous vex'd breezeblock mix is linked to from their website:

and their mix from 11th November at Adverse Camber is also worth a listen (but is very quiet)

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 12 January 2006 13:33 (fourteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Loefah and DJ Youngsta did mixes for one world last sunday:

koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 18:47 (fourteen years ago) link

Dubstep wears its "I bring you the FUTURE! THE FUTURE! THE FUTURE!" inclinations on its sleeve

Really??? To me says "I am 1978! 1978! 1978!!!!"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 20:58 (fourteen years ago) link

(and that's a good thing!)

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:01 (fourteen years ago) link

1978?!? explain, pls

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:06 (fourteen years ago) link

are earlier scientist discs "uber-classics"? i like some of his stuff, but never ever considered it on the level of, say, king tubby or scatch perry.

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 20 November 2010 19:08 (nine years ago) link

Scientist *artwork*

(this^ owns though even if it's not a gamechanger per se)

an exciting but non-alcoholic beverage (DJ Mencap), Saturday, 20 November 2010 19:25 (nine years ago) link

"are earlier scientist discs "uber-classics"?"

They are really good, yeah (agree they are not really game-changing though). And artwork is def. amazing.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 20 November 2010 19:42 (nine years ago) link

scientist rids the world of the curse of the vampire is uber classic

The Great Cool Lulu who sleeps in Riley... (dog latin), Saturday, 20 November 2010 20:07 (nine years ago) link

I'm glad that The Wire is covering Shackleton a lot recently. I really like his stuff.

jeevves, Saturday, 20 November 2010 20:16 (nine years ago) link

he's kinda scaring me with the gregorian chant though

moonship journey to baja, Saturday, 20 November 2010 20:52 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

Most of you already now this by now, but Scuba - Triangulation is seriously the bidness!

It's actually kind of ridiculous how amazingly well this album flows. It manages to listen like a masterfully well sequenced mix; this makes me all the more excited to see him play here in a week!

EDB, Thursday, 23 December 2010 16:20 (nine years ago) link

The remix disc isn't bad either

Number None, Thursday, 23 December 2010 16:42 (nine years ago) link

Yeah I just got the double CD pack. Shall be listening to the remixes later. I've just heard the Deadbeat one thus far, but it's good.

EDB, Thursday, 23 December 2010 17:11 (nine years ago) link

two months pass...

this is actually a really good mala interview. maybe the best out of the ones ive read this year (much better/more specific than the one on factmag). i like him more after reading this.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 15:28 (nine years ago) link

four weeks pass...

The new LV album's got a track called "Northern Line" which I'll never be able to get out my head when getting on the tube.

What you know about Kings Cross??

Evil Eau (dog latin), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 20:41 (nine years ago) link


frogbs, Wednesday, 6 April 2011 20:53 (nine years ago) link

The Hotflush compilation is quite good, the growing ubiquitous of clubnights playing lolstep in my area not so much

o0o00h really? (boxedjoy), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 21:20 (nine years ago) link


o0o00h really? (boxedjoy), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 21:21 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

sam500, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 08:58 (nine years ago) link

that is every kid in Hitchin

broodje kroket (dog latin), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 09:02 (nine years ago) link

sans cat of course.

broodje kroket (dog latin), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 09:03 (nine years ago) link

four months pass...


Hills Like White Broncos (EDB), Thursday, 29 September 2011 08:01 (eight years ago) link

probably the first dubstep song i ever liked. \o_o/

crutbeef (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 29 September 2011 08:27 (eight years ago) link

Ford Cumlord (The Reverend), Thursday, 29 September 2011 21:11 (eight years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Can't wait to get this, even though I've heard the Quest tunes a billion times before and the last Silkie album underwhelmed me. These two together are straight fire.

Vahid did you ever hear their Uprooted live set from like 2008? One of my favourite sets ever.

Tim F, Sunday, 2 September 2012 21:39 (seven years ago) link

<3<3<3 Silkie

The Reverend, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 04:33 (seven years ago) link

yes and i liked it

it's going to sound corny but this is like the jacob's optical stairway of dubstep in places

the late great, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 04:58 (seven years ago) link

they are synth wizards

the late great, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 04:58 (seven years ago) link

Yeah Jacob's Optical Stairway are a good comparison.

I think also Bugz in the Attic at their best?

Tim F, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 05:35 (seven years ago) link

A POX of this vibe (across sub-genres) would be interesting.

Tim F, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 06:28 (seven years ago) link

i'm working on one but i think LHF would be up there too

the late great, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 06:35 (seven years ago) link

sorta think LHF are too good-but-boring?

Tim F, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 09:45 (seven years ago) link

you heard this yet tim?


the late great, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 19:29 (seven years ago) link

I just nabbed it today!

Tim F, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 19:57 (seven years ago) link

good, cause it's good

the late great, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 20:08 (seven years ago) link

<3<3<3<3<3 this

tuomas without a nose ring (The Reverend), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 23:15 (seven years ago) link

damn I was just thinking today how Silkie and sully are really the only dubstep I f/w. gotta check that out.

blank, Thursday, 13 September 2012 04:53 (seven years ago) link

two years pass...
four years pass...

Ruff ruff ruff
Beats beats beats

All Loefah DMZ tracks on his Bandcamp now.

I've got my bidet and my pills (Noel Emits), Monday, 23 March 2020 09:43 (two months ago) link

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