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but it's not like nmh will ever release anything ever again so what's the problem?

keith (keithmcl), Sunday, 29 June 2003 14:48 (twenty years ago) link

I really don't see how anyone could say they're ripping off NMH, for one thing, the Decemberists write lush, hook-filled pop songs and NMH wrote really raggedy sounding songs. Secondly, there's nothing as outwardly surreal in the Decemberists lyrics as there was in Magnums.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Sunday, 29 June 2003 15:58 (twenty years ago) link

Am I the only one who hears Robyn Hitchcock's influence -- or at least his vocal style -- in the Decemberists? And they're much more prolific and musically expansive than NMH...I love Magnum's work, but the naked emotionality present in his best work just doesn't pop up in any Decemberists tracks, for better or worse.

Erick H (Erick H), Sunday, 29 June 2003 23:58 (twenty years ago) link


Oh jeez, there are places he sounds just like Robyn Hitchcock. Sometimes the lyrics are reminiscent, too.

scott m (mcd), Monday, 30 June 2003 00:36 (twenty years ago) link

saw them Thursday @ Spaceland knowing zilch about them going in. I thought they were pleasant enough. the guy's faux-Brit vocal affectation was a bit annoying at first. even so, i'd be interested to here some studio output.

Will (will), Monday, 30 June 2003 02:35 (twenty years ago) link

This is a great record. The singer definitely has that Robyn Hitchcock/Jeff Magnum thing going on, but the Decemberists are not as weird as either. This is not a bad thing necessarily, instead the songs are very catchy and a little more straightforward. There are some long, lulling moments, too, so others have compared them to Red House Painters. The good news in that regard is that, even the long songs are not dull, and the hooks are still there, always.

Bob McCarthy (Hecklerspray), Monday, 30 June 2003 19:33 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
Grace Cathedral Hill is sublime.The whole album is like my favourite
story book.

peter dee (peter dee), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 21:36 (twenty years ago) link

Grace Cathedral Hill is sublime.

Ditto. That's the one that hooked me.

Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 22:43 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
Revive for Her Majesty The Decemberists! I've got the feeling that this is going to be one of the major indie breakouts of 2003. I was pleasantly surprised to see Salon publish an article on it, even though the writer does a sadly predictable job of hammering that Neutral Milk Hotel comparison into the ground.

Nick Mirov (nick), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 01:47 (twenty years ago) link

I've only heard the first track and it sounds a little drunken and odd to me. I love the Decemberists lyrics but I also liked the pure pop hooks of Castaways. What else can you tell me about Her Majesty? Is it really more "difficult"?

scott m (mcd), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 01:53 (twenty years ago) link

"Difficult"? Not at all. You want pure pop hooks? Her Majesty has "Billy Liar", "Los Angeles, I'm Yours", and "Song for Myla Goldberg". The first track ("Shanty for the Arethusa") is a bit of a genre exercise, sure, but it's not very representative of the album.

Nick Mirov (nick), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 02:09 (twenty years ago) link

Cool! My favorite track from Castaways is "...Architect."

scott m (mcd), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 02:11 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
ive seen them.. amazing, you have to really listen to it a few times, red right ankle, amazing song...

nick calderon, Friday, 17 October 2003 08:44 (twenty years ago) link

yeah I really do not see the 'NMH ripoff' angle. Similar? perhaps.. but while Meloy writes songs as vivid and cohesive as Tom Waits, Mangum is more of a Syd Barrett or Lone Pigeon- bouncing around less focused, in my opinion of course. Not to mention Meloy can sing in key.

nothingleft (nothingleft), Friday, 17 October 2003 15:29 (twenty years ago) link

The NMH angle is a lot more apparent on Castaways and Cutouts. Her Majesty is more chamber-poppy.

Nick Mirov (nick), Friday, 17 October 2003 18:01 (twenty years ago) link

i'm seeing the decemberists tomorrow evening. i really like "her majesty..." though sometimes when i'm listening to it while in the auto with another person i get embarrassed at the way he says "daughters" in the first track.

"tell your dwawtaahs due nawt walk the streets alone tonight"

jason m (jason m), Friday, 17 October 2003 18:05 (twenty years ago) link


they must be decent if they've warranted such a long thread.

Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Friday, 17 October 2003 19:14 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
the decemberists are by far my favorite new band. i don't think they're very much like NMH, but someone who enjoys one would probably enjoy the other. Castaways and Cutouts reminds me of the sea: it's a long stretch, but they're like the indie, NMH version of Jimmy Buffett (on different instruments). They've got much more physically embracing pop hooks than NMH, who to me have more emotionally and psychologically gripping than anything. It's like being off in another world with the Decemberists, where NMH is like being inside Jeff Mangum's wicked and brilliant ADHD mind.

possible m (mandinina), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 18:54 (twenty years ago) link

i downloaded "her majesty" and gave it a go... reminds me of scarlet's well only instead of loving it i deleted it. don't see the neutral milk hotel comparison at all.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 19:21 (twenty years ago) link

As noted Grace Cathedral Hill is very un-NMH and utterly ace. The rest of Castaways is either meh or annoyingly faux Gorey/Magnum.

Hunter (Hunter), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 22:17 (twenty years ago) link

i listened at the record shop, sounds a bit like beulah, i passed.

keith m (keithmcl), Thursday, 27 November 2003 04:52 (twenty years ago) link

Thespians and music do not mix.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 27 November 2003 05:07 (twenty years ago) link

Chris Ott makes a good point, but I disagree. Colin Meloy is certainly a performer, a dramatist, a thespian of sorts. Before I saw the Decemberists play live, I assumed they'd be a bunch of foppish, shy, toegazers. But Meloy is an electric presence - and I've never seen any frontman sing quite like that. The way he contorts his mouth to enunciate every absurd vowel is remarkable. I can totally see why people might find this irritating, but I loved it. Meloy is clearly a show-off, but he's earned the right to show off.

Rick Spence (spencerman), Thursday, 27 November 2003 18:16 (twenty years ago) link

he's brilliant

possible m (mandinina), Thursday, 27 November 2003 18:19 (twenty years ago) link

Having loved 'Castaways' to the bone I can only say how totally disappointed and miserable I am that 'Her Majestys' is not in the same league.
It really is a game of two halves.

peter dee (peter dee), Thursday, 27 November 2003 21:40 (twenty years ago) link

I like 'em enough.

I brought home Her Majesty to listen to for the next few days while I'm in Providence. I listened to it twice on the way here. The standouts are: "Red Right Ankle" / "The Bachelor & The Bride" / "The Soldiering Life."

I've only heard chance snippets of Castaways & Cut Outs, though my roommate owns it; I ought to just burn it, but I'm anal about things like that. Anyway... I guess, the album is hit & miss, none of it is awful, but only a few songs are really great. The best song on the album is "Red Right Ankle"--vaguely heartbreaking and very catchy. Most people I know, upon hearing it the first time, try to sing along to the second verse, assuming the words are the same. Silly people.

Ian J0hns0n, Friday, 28 November 2003 02:54 (twenty years ago) link

yanc3y - update?

raphael diligent (Cozen), Saturday, 29 November 2003 01:19 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Neutral milk is an amazing enigma in it self there are no comparison.

jodi sieradzan, Wednesday, 17 December 2003 00:11 (twenty years ago) link

the bright eyes thread is thattaway

the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 00:17 (twenty years ago) link

ten months pass...
I managed to get into their show for free last night at Maxwell's through a friend. Only marginally familiar with their stuff but wanted to check them out.

Meh.

Songs are overwritten, voice is a bit irritating, musicians are tight, stage antics are occasionally funny but feel forced, overall feeling is too precious. Norfolk and Western were less memorable but felt more honest.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 18 October 2004 02:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Dunno if anyone's heard this.

http://www.stereogum.com/decemberists.mp3

It's the Decemberists covering Bjork's Human Behaviour. It's quite good.

papa november (papa november), Thursday, 28 October 2004 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I can see how the Decemberists would irritate the crap out of people. Yet somehow I love some of their songs. Perfect example of a band (songwriter) who has almost equally good and not-so-great qualities.

Piers (piers), Thursday, 28 October 2004 05:38 (nineteen years ago) link

True, sometimes his voice is kind of sweet and endearing and sometimes it sounds full of affectation and self-consciousness

papa november (papa november), Thursday, 28 October 2004 05:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Pretty spot on there.

Piers (piers), Thursday, 28 October 2004 05:48 (nineteen years ago) link

i like their gay undertones.

reo, Thursday, 28 October 2004 05:49 (nineteen years ago) link

"undertones"

identity theftor (deangulberry), Thursday, 28 October 2004 05:51 (nineteen years ago) link

ha, that just made me look at my post cross-eyed to make sure i did type undertones and not underwear.

reo, Thursday, 28 October 2004 05:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought it was cool how the guitarist actually looked kind of like a pirate, but not in an obvious self-conscious way.

Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 28 October 2004 12:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I can see how the Decemberists would irritate the crap out of people. Yet somehow I love some of their songs. Perfect example of a band (songwriter) who has almost equally good and not-so-great qualities.
-- Piers (pier...), October 28th, 2004.

Funny enough, I feel this exact same way- but about NHM, who is frequently compared (above in this thread, and elsewhere) to the Decemberists. Love the decemberists, but I find Neutral Milk Hotel to be fairly annoying...

mclaugh (mclaugh), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:50 (nineteen years ago) link

NHM=NMH.

mclaugh (mclaugh), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:50 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...
So I'm listening to Castaways and Cutouts ...

camisole, petticoat, vagabond, architect, courtesan, odalisque, cul de sac, legionnaire, bagatelle, boulevard, maidenhead, lioness

... what's the deal with Colin Meloy and anapestically-metered words? Am I wrong?

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 4 April 2005 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Has anyone heard the new album yet? I hear the songwriting has improved now that the songs are less petticoat-centric. That's been my only real complaint with the band so far. Less muttonchops. More songs.

darin (darin), Monday, 4 April 2005 19:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Less songs would be nice too.

adam (adam), Monday, 4 April 2005 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, "bagatelle" shouldn't be on that list, since it's pronounced "bag-a-TELL."

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 4 April 2005 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link

And this album (Cutaways), which I'm only listening to for the second time ever, isn't that good. The first two songs are really quite nice ("Leslie Anne Levine" and "Here I Dreamt I Was an Architect") but then NOSEDIVE.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 4 April 2005 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Pitchfork reviews "The Bandit Queen"

The song itself is a near-perfect shanty melody, and Meloy gets in a few good lines-- especially "let me be the one to lay within your thieving arms tonight," but neither version moves beyond tossed-off trifle, which in its own way is a lot more tiresome than nine-minute maritime epics.

I'm not sure the song qualifies as a shanty, but I really disagree with the last part; Bandit Queen is a nice little ditty, but Mariner's Revenge Song makes me want to kill myself. And I'm a pretty big Decemberists fan.

Steve Goldberg (Steve Goldberg), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:26 (seventeen years ago) link

jaymc, you forgot "pantaloons," which make at least three, entirely unwelcome, appearances.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Also "tamaracks." Meloy definitely has some quite identifiable idiosyncracies as a lyricist.

Steve Goldberg (Steve Goldberg), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:06 (seventeen years ago) link

And "stevedore" and "tarlatan." Ok, I'll stop now.

Steve Goldberg (Steve Goldberg), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Wait a sec, aren't these all dactyls rather than anapests?

Steve Goldberg (Steve Goldberg), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:14 (seventeen years ago) link

*cough* My post just an hour ago...?

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 16:57 (thirteen years ago) link

did they sell more records than Cake, though

tylerw, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 16:58 (thirteen years ago) link

They didn't sell any cake at all iirc

Mr. Fart Pop Bass (Phil D.), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 16:59 (thirteen years ago) link

I mean they're a band not a bake sale ¯\(°_o)/¯

Mr. Fart Pop Bass (Phil D.), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 17:00 (thirteen years ago) link

really? meloy makes incredibly detailed cakes with miniature reenactments of the war 1812 on them. really delicious stuff.

tylerw, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 17:01 (thirteen years ago) link

#24 with a bullet here, kind of surprised their profile is even that big in the UK.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 17:02 (thirteen years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/QIFQ4.png

wow...... hmmm.... crazy...... damn….. (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 17:07 (thirteen years ago) link

*cough* My post just 3 hours ago...?

The previous message has been brought to you by (kelpolaris), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm kind of shocked that they sold so many copies right out the gate. Who knew?

Moodles, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 20:34 (thirteen years ago) link

xp that awful image had to be posted

wow...... hmmm.... crazy...... damn….. (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link

There's a taking sides thread to be made here:

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2011/01/11/alg_decemberists_band.jpg

http://www.perrific.com/cds/covers/gordon.jpg

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link

I guess I am a little surprised at this hitting #1. Part of me says, "well, Arcade Fire and Death Cab both debuted at #1 within the last couple of years" -- but the Decemberists feel just a bit more niche, and also Hazards of Love (also on Capitol) bowed at #14 just two years ago. It's not like their profile has dramatically increased since then, has it?

Tyler/Perry's "Dude (Looks Like a Lady)" (jaymc), Thursday, 27 January 2011 23:21 (thirteen years ago) link

eh. early in the year, not many big releases, a smaller or indie album can sneak-in more easily at no. 1.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 27 January 2011 23:24 (thirteen years ago) link

i like this band fine, btw. just sayin'.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 27 January 2011 23:24 (thirteen years ago) link

I guess the parallel is Vampire Weekend's #1 from exactly a year ago.

Tyler/Perry's "Dude (Looks Like a Lady)" (jaymc), Thursday, 27 January 2011 23:48 (thirteen years ago) link

This album kind of blows, btw.

Tyler/Perry's "Dude (Looks Like a Lady)" (jaymc), Friday, 28 January 2011 00:30 (thirteen years ago) link

I mean, OK, it's super-competent and everything, just sort of plain and dull. I've never been a huge fan of the band, but there were usually at least a couple of songs on each album that I could get excited about.

Tyler/Perry's "Dude (Looks Like a Lady)" (jaymc), Friday, 28 January 2011 00:33 (thirteen years ago) link

"Why We Fight" isn't bad. [/livebloggin']

Tyler/Perry's "Dude (Looks Like a Lady)" (jaymc), Friday, 28 January 2011 00:36 (thirteen years ago) link

hipster runoff breaks down why the decemberists hit #1
http://cdn.hipsterrunoff.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/800/20110128-tfcn6m9gymtcbrjbc5eb2aciwg_0.jpg

tylerw, Friday, 28 January 2011 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

"Down By the Water" really reminds me of a Gin Blossoms song when it first starts up, then again with the harmonica. "Follow You Down" maybe?

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 23:25 (thirteen years ago) link

Just want to say that The King Is Dead is awesome! There's no mystery as why it charted so high other than I suppose people thought The Decemberists were more under the radar than they really are? They fit a lot of grooves - indie, americana, folk rock, alt country, twee, victorian nostalgia... I imagine their fanbase is pretty wide and varied.

IMO its the first great album of 2011. I didn't like the Hazards of Love but have much <3 for Crane Wife and Picaresque. This is a step in a different direction, way more folk and country influence than the ragtimey victorian stuff, but I like it all. Fuck the haters.

no pop, no style -- all simply (Viceroy), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 23:48 (thirteen years ago) link

four months pass...

I really feel nothing for this band in this slightest but I will say this, cool move:

http://yfrog.com/kjsuqvj

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 01:13 (twelve years ago) link

Context?

Frogbs Day Afternoon (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 01:18 (twelve years ago) link

I think its to celebrate the upcoming season of Curb Your Enthusiasm

van smack, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 01:30 (twelve years ago) link

Bandmember Jenny was diagnosed with cancer and is going through chemo -- thus her being bald and thus them all shaving their heads in solidarity.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 01:35 (twelve years ago) link

four months pass...

So the new EP is pretty much uniformly better than anything on the recent full-length. Gone are the country-tinged R.E.M. aping tracks, back to the more folksy and proggy stuff that I prefer. Their Dead cover isn't half bad.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 2 November 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link

eight years pass...

just learned that this band has a song called 'the chimbley sweep'

and thus that i've wasted 17 years by failing to concentrate my hatred upon them

mookieproof, Saturday, 22 August 2020 05:21 (three years ago) link

they're a great band with a great catalog (although after 10 top-class years, the decline seems to have set in on the last two albums)

alpine static, Saturday, 22 August 2020 17:52 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

man, the new single is bleak. they sound 100% out of ideas, going through motions, lifeless, etc.

maybe the album will be better, but i'm not hopeful.

alpine static, Tuesday, 27 February 2024 08:21 (one month ago) link

Yeah, I'd agree with that, but also your previous post from three years ago, the last two albums weren't very exciting either. Would love a return to like The Crane Wife, but I'm not holding out much hope for that.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 27 February 2024 19:17 (one month ago) link

Oh totally. Although each of those had a handful of good songs, I'd say, and this one seems worse than just about anything on either one. I can't believe it's the first single.

I didn't expand on this last night when I posted, but: This band feels like an obligation at this point - come together every five years, record the latest batch of songs, go on tour, bank some dough, then go off and do what you really want to be doing (for Colin) / do whatever pays the bills (for the rest of them) for another five.

You won't find a bigger defender of their first decade than me. Everything through King Is Dead is brilliant, imo. But this one sounds like someone told AI to produce a Colin Meloy song.

alpine static, Tuesday, 27 February 2024 20:10 (one month ago) link

At least they're bringing Ratboys with them on tour this summer.

alpine static, Tuesday, 27 February 2024 20:47 (one month ago) link

Wow, you're right. I used to adore this band when I was just getting into that Pitchfork/indie scene, just after their first LP. Saw them about five times between Her Majesty and Crane Wife, even though this required an hour and a half drive to a college town. The first time was at a venue with a stage small enough that they couldn't leave without disassembling their gear, so they just sat down for ten minutes before the encore and told us to occupy ourselves. I remember downloading mp3s of the live Picaresque tracks before they were recorded and tabbing them out for posting on their forum. I drifted away when it seemed like their quirkiness was being smoothed out, and just because my passion moved on, as it does.

I haven't revisited those LPs since; I'm wary that I'll find it all too cutesy-cringey now. That'd I'd feel faintly embarrassed, like when I find my amateurish attempts at music blogging from back then, or old LiveJournal entries. I'd rather keep the memories as they are. Still, I'm running through "Leslie Anne Levine" in my mind and it still sounds pretty/haunting.

blatherskite, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 19:15 (one month ago) link

Yeah, I gave "Burial Ground" another listen last night and alpine 100% otm with it sounding like Colin Meloy AI.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 19:43 (one month ago) link

My wife and I saw them several times in their early days, when they were a somewhat niche act in small clubs.

I still like the first several records, but haven't kept up and probably won't.

alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 21:01 (one month ago) link

Man, I love "Burial Ground"! Surprised to see so much dumping on it here, it's a total earworm. Basically Decemberists + Shins in a good way (which I wouldn't have predicted at this point). I'm not a huge Decemberists fan, I liked some of their early albums but not super attached to them. I just think this scans as like a good lost Paisley Underground track.

Haven't played this yet, but slightly encouraged by them going all epic again... new 19-minute song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nhLuHWcTdo

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 19:55 (four weeks ago) link


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